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On another thread, I had the privilege of coming across a great idea by a poster by the name of ESHBG. This may be a more effective form of protest than the "mail the disks" idea:

(in the style of Mon Mothma) ESHBG, please:

I was thinking about something: couldn't we all just buy them to push the numbers up, but leave them sealed and keep the receipt? After the reports come in, just return them, as you will be well within the 30-day window most retailers have in their return policy. I know it is not fair to the retailers, it isn't their fault and they will be caught in the middle, but it may also force the retailers to question any new SW releases from here on out, so George will get it from both the fans AND the retailers in years to come...

This is a great idea in that we don't actually spend the money. A lot of us didn't want to spend the money on a substandard release, but we wanted to show good consumer response to (hopefully) influence GL.

I think I'm going to do it this way. Thanks again, ESHBG.

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But won't GL find out about the returns and then think that no one wants the OOT??
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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
But won't GL find out about the returns and then think that no one wants the OOT??



Well of course, the whole point of protest is to call attention to something wrong. I happen to think that GL is convinced no one wants the OOT anyway, so no protest is really going to affect him. Maybe it will turn some heads at LucasFilm - people who'd have more pull over him than the fans do.

No form of protest is without its drawbacks. This one at least lets you make a point and keep your money.

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I'm going to buy the Sept 12 OOT discs, but I want to keep and play mine. I think the idea of sending back the SE discs to GL is a better idea.

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Hey thanks a lot, vote_for_palpatine!

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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
But won't GL find out about the returns and then think that no one wants the OOT??

Very true, but the damage will already be done: the numbers will be in showing success and then the retailers will get a lot back. They will sit on their shelves collecting dust AND the retailers neevr made the sale technically! The retailers will be very leery with the next SW release because they won't want to go through that again, pushing GL into a corner (I hope).

As for the mailing the discs back idea, I don't like it. 1) you already spent the money on the discs 2) you will be spending more money on postage 3) if the discs are in good condition, you know darn well they will just be repackaged and resold. GL will be the one laughing all the way to the bank...that is not a protest IMO, where you set the other side up for even further financial success...

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Let's be honest here- do you really think that's realistic? You're going to get thousands of people to buy the DVDS- not open them- and then return them? I'm sorry, but that just isn't going to happen. Thousands of people ARE going to buy these discs, because they want to watch them- including me. These DVDs are going to sell very well- especially because they're limited editions. It will be a lot easier to organise a SE sendback for the people who are going to buy the discs anyway, than to get people to buy them and return them -unopened- to the stores.

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I think some people will return them to shops anyway after they have seen the video and it being non ano on the second disc which im sure is not advertised on the packaging, not everyone goes on the net and knows what they are getting, Im sure they will be advertised as SW unaltered so they will think it is the main event on the disc and that the video is good etc etc.

Shops will be wise eventually to the quality of the release so it will expecting these to be returned, so it may not have an impact.
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
I think some people will return them to shops anyway after they have seen the video and it being non ano on the second disc which im sure is not advertised on the packaging, not everyone goes on the net and knows what they are getting...


Now, THAT is definitely a possibility. The fact is that the majority of the fans who'll buy these DVDs DON'T come to these forums, and are going to just assume (as well they should) that the DVDs are anamorphic. SURPRISE!!

What would be great is if everybody complained to FOX that the DVDs are "defective". LOL! I would just love FOX to get on Lucasfilm's case- telling them that they had better provide some non-defective anamorphic DVD material........*sigh* dream over.

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Anything that screws George Lucas even in a tiny way is worth considering.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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I agree with u ^^ anyway why buy something you wont watch later ??
May the force be wth you .........
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Anything that screws George Lucas even in a tiny way is worth considering.


Yes, but at this point, what can we do? I'll keep fighting on principle, of course, but at the moment, it seems that we have lost the battle. Let's hope we can win the war. I just don't have an inspirational speech ready. Its thousand to one odds.

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Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: Tiptup
Anything that screws George Lucas even in a tiny way is worth considering.


Yes, but at this point, what can we do? I'll keep fighting on principle, of course, but at the moment, it seems that we have lost the battle. Let's hope we can win the war. I just don't have an inspirational speech ready. Its thousand to one odds.

WE can't do anything more right now. However, I'm confident that there WILL be a significant backlash in the entertainment press about these non-anamorphic DVDs. As a result, GL will have to address the issue at some point in the future. I think he's underestimating the negative response that these DVDs will get.

It will be very interesting to watch all of this unfold. 48 days to go.

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Originally posted by: Mielr
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: Tiptup
Anything that screws George Lucas even in a tiny way is worth considering.


Yes, but at this point, what can we do? I'll keep fighting on principle, of course, but at the moment, it seems that we have lost the battle. Let's hope we can win the war. I just don't have an inspirational speech ready. Its thousand to one odds.

WE can't do anything more right now. However, I'm confident that there WILL be a significant backlash in the entertainment press about these non-anamorphic DVDs. As a result, GL will have to address the issue at some point in the future. I think he's underestimating the negative response that these DVDs will get.

It will be very interesting to watch all of this unfold. 48 days to go.


That long, huh. I just keep worring that the backlash will have the adverse effect of ticking off Lucas and making the situation even worse. I just hope that the light at the end of the tunnel is not the train. I guess that I should be patient and remember that good things come to those who wait. Who knows. Maybe some good will come of this. I certainly hope so. I should cheer up. Maybe, just maybe, all of this will turn out for the best. Thanks Mielr. Its good that have you on this board. I like you very much. Its great to have been welcomed by you. Maybe I should go watch The Shawshank Redemption.

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Originally posted by: Mike O
Maybe some good will come of this. I certainly hope so. I should cheer up. Maybe, just maybe, all of this will turn out for the best. Thanks Mielr. Its good that have you on this board. I like you very much. Its great to have been welcomed by you.


You're welcome! Thanks to you as well. We should all cheer up- it's getting too morose around here lately. I know we're all very disappointed by this whole thing, especially after having been so happy and excited about the initial news of the DVD release, but we've still got a fight ahead of us, and we need to stay optimistic so that we can come up with ideas about how we're going to proceed. Like I mentioned before, I think the press is going to do a lot of our work for us and give us a head start, because any magazine reviewer or movie reviewer worth his/her salt is going to lambaste Lucasfilm for releasing these classic films in such an outdated fashion.

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Oh, he KNOWS and then some, people want the OOT. It's because he likes the crap SEs more. He's not a fucking idiot, although he makes himself look like one all the time.
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Lucas is stubborn, inconsistent, and frustrating. But he's not stupid.

Like I mentioned before, I think the press is going to do a lot of our work for us and give us a head start, because any magazine reviewer or movie reviewer worth his/her salt is going to lambaste Lucasfilm for releasing these classic films in such an outdated fashion.


True, but they probably won't care, as they don't seem to care about anything else.

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Originally posted by: Mike O
Lucas is stubborn, inconsistent, and frustrating. But he's not stupid.

Like I mentioned before, I think the press is going to do a lot of our work for us and give us a head start, because any magazine reviewer or movie reviewer worth his/her salt is going to lambaste Lucasfilm for releasing these classic films in such an outdated fashion.


True, but they probably won't care, as they don't seem to care about anything else.

They'll care. "Sound And Vision" mag and "The Perfect Vision" mag will DEFINITELY rake GL over the coals for this. So will any other home theater magazine that reviews new DVD releases, and comments on their picture/sound quality.

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Originally posted by: Mielr
Originally posted by: Mike O
Lucas is stubborn, inconsistent, and frustrating. But he's not stupid.

Like I mentioned before, I think the press is going to do a lot of our work for us and give us a head start, because any magazine reviewer or movie reviewer worth his/her salt is going to lambaste Lucasfilm for releasing these classic films in such an outdated fashion.


True, but they probably won't care, as they don't seem to care about anything else.

They'll care. "Sound And Vision" mag and "The Perfect Vision" mag will DEFINITELY rake GL over the coals for this. So will any other home theater magazine that reviews new DVD releases, and comments on their picture/sound quality.


I know, what I'm saying is that Lucasfilm will proably say the same thing that they have said to us: these version are rough drafts that don't need to be restored and therefore we are lucky to be getting them at all and that the original trilogy is dead to Lucas. In other words, people will tell them that this release sucks and he'll say, "Yeah, I know. And your point is?"

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death