Andor: The Movie Omnibus (Nothing Cut!) [Season Two in progress with NFBisms] — Page 7

That’s essentially the plan, yeah. NFB said he could help on this one too- we’ll probably end up with a mashup of Hal’s plus NFB’s audio with a few tweaks.

Season two is now in progress.

The first movie is rendering now, coming out at 02h11m22s. That’s episodes S02E01-S02E03, with some sensible reordering designed and executed by NFBisms at the transition points. He’s slid the scene of Cassian in space backwards by a few scenes - so now it’s not immediately following him flying to space, and also not working as an episode opener (cool but now unnecessary), giving us more time away from Andor after he does leave Yavin, and also now backing directly into his radio call with Kleya. It works better than the original this way.

I’ll get that uploaded ASAP - would anyone like a “preview” of it? (I’m pretty certain this will also be the final version of this movie.)

Onwards to movie six, from episodes S02E04-S02E06!

First movie is fully uploaded, and movie two just finished rendering.

The second movie, from episodes S02E04-S02E06 runs to 02h23m41s. Like the previous one I’m calling this a draft version but I don’t think there’s anything to fix.

This one doesn’t have any rearranging - NFB found elegant ways to smooth out the audio over the gaps. The only slight negative about this edit is you lose the instance of the radio noise over the Andor logo in episode S02E05 that carries the audience through into the episode - but it’s no great loss at all.

knights2023 said:

Just Watched the first movie of season 2. it flows brilliantly. I don’t think anything needs to changed. Though i did notice something strange. When the rebels are crawling through the jungle at around the 52 min mark a tie fighter engine can now be heard. this was not in the original version and seems like a strange addition. The Empire would not be patrolling yavin

I’ll check this.

That one’s not a trim I’d make, I’m afraid. I’m still pro-bridging-content in as many cases as possible. “All of Star Wars is better than any of Star Wars” remains my mantra - no one show, not even Andor, should trump the franchise continuity.

EddieDean said:

That one’s not a trim I’d make, I’m afraid. I’m still pro-bridging-content in as many cases as possible. “All of Star Wars is better than any of Star Wars” remains my mantra - no one show, not even Andor, should trump the franchise continuity.

It’s so interesting to me how frequently “cut Vader out of Rogue One” has become the conclusion people are coming to after Andor S2. I can’t see it actually working, especially not since the hallway sequence is one of the most singularly acclaimed bits of Star Wars anything since it came back in 2015

Plus, thematically, (and there is no way Gilroy didn’t do this intentionally in S2 of Andor) anyone who has anything to do with those plans getting out, who touches them, basically gets got. Lonni, Luthen, Melshi, Cass, Jyn… Kleya is the exception but she really does try like hell to die on Coruscant, and is pretty hollowed out when she wakes up on Yavin. Anyway, to even KNOW there are plans, to have the words Death Star inside your head is death (Dedra is going to die in that jail - maybe Kleya only lives because those are the only words she forgot?) - at some point the rebels know this and touch them ANYWAY.

and the Hallway Scene, even though Gilroy had nothing to do with it, still fits that. You boil it down, the iconography, the score, and whaddya got: Rebels, who know that they cannot survive what they’re about to do, but if they do it, the people after them will have a chance, so they do it anyway. It’s a microcosm of the larger themes of both the movie that preceded it, and the prequel Gilroy wrote specifically to lead into that prequel.

ANYWAY: If you need 5.1 audio for both “Fuck the Empire” and the re-voiced Vader/Krennic scene lemme know, I can shoot that over to you no problem

Yeah. I took that audio, isolated the lines, retimed them (so they’re at the right speed and fit the scene correctly) mixed them into the center channel with Krennic so the levels match, and put that center channel back into the full 5.1 mix for the scene

I’d certainly take a copy of that audio thanks guys!

Faelin said:

I don’t think the point is to cut the hallway scene. At least when ive expressed cutting vader its been the scene with krennic on mustifar.

I think cutting him period is probably going too far. Krennic bullying Dedra pays off in the way he ends up becoming just like her when he butts up against that same fascist ceiling in Rogue One. She overreaches and winds up getting put in her place by both Partagaz and then Krennic. Krennic overreaches and gets chumped by both Tarkin, and then Vader. I get the general instinct, but I also feel like Gilroy is looking at Rogue One (and was looking at it when he got called in to fix it in the first place) as he’s making Andor and knows what it is he’s both leading into and also mirroring in subtle ways as he builds out his arcs.

Cutting Vader for the sake of cutting him to make Rogue One feel more like Andor feels, to me, like a short-circuiting of what Andor was doing in the first place by trying to build TO Rogue One.

Broom Kid said:
I think cutting him period is probably going too far. Krennic bullying Dedra pays off in the way he ends up becoming just like her when he butts up against that same fascist ceiling in Rogue One. She overreaches and winds up getting put in her place by both Partagaz and then Krennic. Krennic overreaches and gets chumped by both Tarkin, and then Vader. I get the general instinct, but I also feel like Gilroy is looking at Rogue One (and was looking at it when he got called in to fix it in the first place) as he’s making Andor and knows what it is he’s both leading into and also mirroring in subtle ways as he builds out his arcs.

Cutting Vader for the sake of cutting him to make Rogue One feel more like Andor feels, to me, like a short-circuiting of what Andor was doing in the first place by trying to build TO Rogue One.

I disagree and I think my reasoning is in your reasoning - Dedra is never actually put in her place by Partagaz directly, so there is no real parallelism in having there be a “both Tarkin, and then Vader” for Krennic to rub up against. It’s not even really intuitive for there to be two representations of a fascist ceiling per character. Tarkin is more than enough.

I feel like it breaks down more like this: Partagaz is explicitly in Dedra’s corner for pretty much all of the show, and he only throws her under the bus off-screen as a means of self preservation. Krennic is then in his corner, but states he can’t protect him, which comes to bear for Partagaz after Heert’s failure.

[Dedra -> Partagaz -> Krennic -> Tarkin] works well enough, cleaner I think than having Vader in there for no real reason. Vader isn’t contending with bureaucracy / careerism / survival in the way those characters are, it’s not actually a compelling thematic bit to add him into the mix; he’s just annoyed.

I get it, I just disagree. but it’s not my cut and I wouldn’t stop anyone, or want to, from making their cut look and sound the way they want it, either. Apologies if it’s reading as overstepping, I don’t mean for it to come off that way! Just sharing (probably oversharing) my thoughts in the wake of the show.

For what it’s worth though, my understanding was that Partagaz ultimately approved her arrest, and essentially set her up to be the patsy (more or less) for Ghorman in the first place. Tarkin chumps Krennic, Krennic tries to end run him and THATS when he hits the ceiling. That Vader considers him an annoyance is the point: Krennic thinks he’s a big dog who can end run Tarkin after Tarkin big dogs him, and gets casually choked for it like it’s nothing. It’s not even a finger being laid on his head. And for as much as Andor concerns itself (and is great because of this) with the lower echelons of both the Rebellion AND the Empire, it’s worth remembering the real ceilings in BOTH those institutions ARE Force-powered, ultimately. When we get to THE linking piece between 2025 and 1977, there’s really no reason to pretend otherwise anymore from a storytelling perspective (which Gilroy himself understood by slow-rolling The Force into Andor midway through S2 as part of his goal to flesh out the movie he saved in 2016)

But again: that’s just clarification into my POV, not an attempt to really change anyone else’s POV, much less change their edits. I want people to do what they feel is right for their cuts and their versions of the things they’re making for their own libraries and to share with their friends and followers more than anything. Apologies again if it came off as anything otherwise.

Oh I wasn’t trying to shut down the idea, just discussing! Ultimately it’s up to Eddie, I forget I’m also working on this sometimes LOL.

I think I actually do have some issues with Gilroy in Andor season 2 not quite actually building to Rogue One thematically (he avoided watching it IIRC!) in more than just this way, which is where my POV comes from. But I do get where you are coming from. Vader as this almost intangible, immaterial representation of fascism for Krennic to hit the wall on, is a cool idea!

I just like the more mechanical, institutional way it comes back around to everyone all the same more - rather than evil escalating up to totem pole. The banality of it, how human it all is, is part of what’s always made the imperial stuff in Andor compelling.