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Make one with Hayden, Ewan, and a miss Piggy.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Naa, not miss piggy. How bout Kermit?
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In the AoTC special features, GL himself said that the muppet that played Yoda was the "love child of Kermit the frog and Ms. Piggy..""


Which means he has some serious issues.

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Originally posted by: Warbler
Naa, not miss piggy. How bout Kermit?


Nah, Miss Piggy. Frank Oz.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Originally posted by: Warbler
Naa, not miss piggy. How bout Kermit?


Nah, Miss Piggy. Frank Oz.


How about the "father" of Kermit and Fozzie? Check out "The Great Muppet Caper" if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I'd do this myself but I'm too busy. (And yet, here I am on this site again. What gives?)
I am fluent in over six million forms of procrastination.
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Yeah, I could go for that one.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
I'd do this myself but I'm too busy. (And yet, here I am on this site again. What gives?)


Couldn't tell ya, man. But join the club. It's that way for all of us. We've all got so much other crap we should be doing, but are we?
"You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia'."
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I've previously refused to get the DVD's, so I had not heard Lucas' real reasoning for the change. I thought it was a bad idea when I first heard it. Now, I believe that decision is immoral. He is changing the whole theme of redemption. The movies themes of redemption lift them out of ordinary movieland and into myth and spirituality. The saga goes from Anakin as a child(Phantom Menace) to his temptation(Attack of the Clones) to his switch to evil(Revenge of the Sith) to his rise in power(New Hope) to his tempting of his offspring(Empire Strikes Back) to his redemption(Return of the Jedi). With Lucas' changes, it shows Anakin as a child(Phantom Menace) to Anakin as a young jerk(Attack of the Clones) to Anakin dying(Revenge of the Sith) to Darth Vadar's rise to power(New Hope) to Darth Vadar tempting Anakin's offspring(Empire Strikes Back) to Darth Vadar's death(Return of the Jedi). If Hayden was Anakin's 'last true form', then Anakin and Darth are not the same person. If Anakin and Darth Vadar are not the same, Anakin did not need to be redeemed and Luke's actions are frivoulous. Luke's actions in the second half of Return of the Jedi disproves Kenobi's assertion that "The good man that was your father was destroyed". What ever happened to, "There is good in him. I feel it." and "You were right. Tell your sister you were right." Is Vadar not Anakin when he throws the Emperor down the shaft? Shaw worked as Anakin because it was his last form before death. Hayden doesn't work unless there is something in Revenge of the Sith that has Anakin not being Vadar and you change Return of the Jedi to take out the redemption quality and make it so that Luke is just trying to save his father's reputation because Vadar has stolen his identity. Lucas' effects guys have their work cut out for them.
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Originally posted by: GlopOfGrease
If Hayden was Anakin's 'last true form', then Anakin and Darth are not the same person. If Anakin and Darth Vadar are not the same, Anakin did not need to be redeemed and Luke's actions are frivoulous.


Wow, I never heard it stated so simply yet so effectively. That really is a great way to think of it, isn't it?
"You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia'."
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This is one of the only changes I CAN stand. I think it's ok to show Anakin in his pure, happy form.
"I love you..."

"I know..."
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Originally posted by: jeffreyschmid
This is one of the only changes I CAN stand. I think it's ok to show Anakin in his pure, happy form.


Happy? He has the most evil look in the world on his face. The only time anakin was ever in the movie truely happy (not including the original ending of rotj when he got to gaze upon his son with his own eyes) was when he was a 9 year old boy (and if Lucas had put Jake Loyd as the ghost it would have been less accepted than putting Hayden in)...he is a bitter, angry person in the whole AOTC movie...even when he's with Padme and "happy" he still always has an evil glare on his face.

-Darth Simon
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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*touchy people disclaimer*
some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
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um... you're right... i've never thought it through that far
"I love you..."

"I know..."
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Anakin's evilness was way over done in Attack of the Clones--He always looked like he was about to kill Padme, even when he was supposed to be laughing.

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Hmnnn no that's bad acting.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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I disagree. If the actor is doing something the director doesn't want, they say "CUT!" Then they do the scene over again until the director gets what they want. George is completely at fault.
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Well, George Lucas is no Stanley Kubrick.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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That is the point.

Hayden Christienson, Ewan McGregor, and Natalie Portman are all excellent performers. It's the direction that sucks, not the action.

Lucas needs to stick to story, and let people who know what they are doing direct.

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As much as I do not like George Lucas changing HIS MOVIES, I would have to say that some of you need to think. You want to know why they didn't make Obi Wan look like Ewan MacGreggor....hmmmmmm.....I wonder.....maybe because the other actor was in Star Wars Episode IV, wait....that makes to much sense. They changed Anakin because he actually has somebody that he can now look like, granted they could have kept the old guy because nobody would really know what Anakin would look like grown up. And the last thing is, even though a lot of us, myself included, do not like the changes George Lucas made, guess what...THEY ARE NOT OUR MOVIES...if it wasn't for Lucas the Sci-Fi movies wouldn't be what they are like today. SO STOP COMPLAINING!!!!!
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Hello everyone...
I'm new here but I can't wait to put my 2 cents.
All previously mentioned points about Haiden apperance were logic but not quite logic...

YOU were talking about redeeming, second chance in LIFE and all these things but let's face it... all this is FALSE!!! WHY?

Lets analyse that scene...

1. Luke turns back and He can see 3 person appearing in special order: Ben, Yoda and ... "a perfect stranger"!!! YES!!The third person is completely unfamiliar to Luke Skywaker because He sees Him for a first time in his life!!!
As we perfectly know, Luke -when he was a kid- didn't know his father or even mother... He hadn't got any photos, holograms or whatever...of them. In ROTJ He even asked Leia for any recollections of his mother but he didnt get much of it... For Luke his own father was , to tell the truth --- a black hole.
And here comes the memorable moment at the Death Star when he finally manages to see his father's TRULY face --- face damaged by the Past - Luke just couldnt know about, face changed by years in Helmet, and face changed by the Dark Force--- Face which isn't young and definitly isn't Haiden Christensen's stupid mouth!!!

2. And now it's time for the big question --- why the hell does Luke smile and look so happy at the end?? Especially when he can't recognize the third person !!! That's rhetorical question cos we all know the answer ---- Lucas made one of his worse mistakes!!! Thinking about the whole story and putting all the pression on the intergration of all episodes he forgot about ONE think ... Luke isn't one of the audience and he doesnt know all the story as we do. He doesnt know that this guy with stupid expression on his young face is his father. This blond ALIEN doesnt mentally connect with the MAN who saved him minutes ago from painfull death and whose face he saw once in his life and will always remember. Luke only can assuming that this guy is his father but he cant be sure. So after being so happy with Ben and yoda apperance he should just slam his head in the nearest tree seeing the next completely strange person.

The proof:
One more time our "precious" Lucas proofs that he hasn't ability for managing any consistency in his artistic work. He make Luke acting like he is not the part of the story but he is omniscient like any of the audience knowing the prequel episodes 1 , 2 and even 3. But he doesnt know cos he didnt even exist then.
Thats why I think it is the main and unspeakable flaw in DVD edition of original trilogy which continuously goes away its own origins and the basic laws of logic.
...all those moments will be lost in time like .... tears in the rain... <YOU were the best F.K.Dick>
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I love passionate anti-SE fans. However, I believe Luke felt his father's presence at the end of ROTJ, he didn't just recognize him.

But the change still blows. Looks dumb. The explanation is dumb. It is dumb.
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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
I love passionate anti-SE fans. However, I believe Luke felt his father's presence at the end of ROTJ, he didn't just recognize him.

But the change still blows. Looks dumb. The explanation is dumb. It is dumb.


Hmmmm... I must agree with You. I must have been mistaken. I was thinking too much about logic of the screen getting rid of the logic of the force The problem is --- am I just mistaking human or am I simply starting to walk on the Dark Side???
ps. first of all I am the passionate anti-sse DVD fan and on the second place the anti-se fan
...all those moments will be lost in time like .... tears in the rain... <YOU were the best F.K.Dick>
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Sebastian is just perfect there.

As you said, Luke saw Anakin's true face after facing all the things and events throughout the saga.

And then his ghost is basically what he would have looked like had he not had all those injuries.

But Hayden??!!??!?! I will never accept that change at all. I refuse to.
And I shouldn't have to. So I won't.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Besides, Anakin died when he turned to evil. And there aren't any green mushrooms in the GFFA...

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