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I don't fully agree with this change but it does make sense in some ways. First of all most of his organs and all of his limbs and mechanical. From what I hear Revenge of the Sith will provide a better explaination of this change. Shaw there or Hayden both versions provide a message that you can be an evil nutcase and do the most dispicable things but if you redeme yourself in the last few minutes you can spend iternaty in peice. Putting Hayden there doesn't do anything for or against this very wrong message.
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Jimbo, are you applying you beleifs in this galaxy to the Star Wars galaxy?

P.S. I have yet to see this change, ive only seen the '04 ANH. But I dont like it on principle. If for no other reason, because it defames Sebastian Shaw.
"You don't own space, so stop actin' like you do."
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Don't watch it. Even if you're for the change, it's such a horrible take. I laughed watching it, then chucked the DVD across the room.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
I don't fully agree with this change but it does make sense in some ways. First of all most of his organs and all of his limbs and mechanical. From what I hear Revenge of the Sith will provide a better explaination of this change. Shaw there or Hayden both versions provide a message that you can be an evil nutcase and do the most dispicable things but if you redeme yourself in the last few minutes you can spend iternaty in peice. Putting Hayden there doesn't do anything for or against this very wrong message.


Wow, Jimbo did you read anything i wrote? Let me paraphrase for you.

Lucas is contradicting himself and the original movies by trying to explain his changes away as his original intention or as to keep continuity. First off if he wanted to keep continuity he should have written the prequals to fit in better with what already existed. second if his original intention was to have a younger Anakin ghost then why didnt he higher a younger actor at the time...oh im sorry, i forgot, the technology to have younger actors didnt exist at that time...im sorry, ill concede on that point

Now let me get some clarification on your point. Anakin was redeemed at the end of ROTJ even when played by the Mr. Shaw. You said that most of his organs and limbs were mechanical...so wouldnt it be able to live in peice if his current body is de-mutilated, hence him having all his hair and limbs (and i dont think ghosts even need organs anyway). Also if im reading this correctly, you disagree with this message. If thats the case I just want you to realize your supporting Lucas on something that you dont believe in. I guess a part of blindly worshiping Lucas is to also learn to contradict yourself at every turn just like he does.

Darth Simon
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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*touchy people disclaimer*
some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
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Originally posted by: Darth Simon
Wow, Jimbo did you read anything i wrote?


Yeah that's Jimbo for ya. I'm beginning to wonder if the little fella even CAN read, because he certainly never seems to have read anything he's responding to.

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Lucas is contradicting himself and the original movies by trying to explain his changes away as his original intention or as to keep continuity. First off if he wanted to keep continuity he should have written the prequals to fit in better with what already existed.


Amen. Lucas had the chance to make the PT films fit the existing OT films but he's too lazy to bother with anything such as series continuity and narrative logic.

So he messed up the OT to fit the PT and that's why this board exists.

Welcome Darth Simon.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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if Anakin did die the moment he became Vader, then it makes Luke's attempt to bring him back to the darkside in ROTJ pretty pointless

'There is still good in him, I have felt it' Nope! hate to burst your bubble there Luke but he's DEAD D-e-a-d! there's nothing you can do for him!
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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing
if Anakin did die the moment he became Vader, then it makes Luke's attempt to bring him back to the darkside in ROTJ pretty pointless

'There is still good in him, I have felt it' Nope! hate to burst your bubble there Luke but he's DEAD D-e-a-d! there's nothing you can do for him!


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I dunno what to say, but this is great reasoning man. I laughed so hard when I read this (in the computer lab no less). This is just another tid-bit to add to the "lack of continuity/nonesense" that comes from Lucas.
"You don't own space, so stop actin' like you do."
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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
Don't watch it. Even if you're for the change, it's such a horrible take. I laughed watching it, then chucked the DVD across the room.


Real mature.

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
Don't watch it. Even if you're for the change, it's such a horrible take. I laughed watching it, then chucked the DVD across the room.


Real mature.


So the definition of mature now includes not chucking DVDs you hate across the room?
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Throwing any potentially hazardous objects across a room is sort of immature.

What if you had hit little suzie, or something?

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Don't you guys get it? The 1983 film is incomplete in Lucas' mind. See, even in 1983, he always envisioned Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker, but with technology limitations, he couldn't digitally age a two-year-old into a 50-year-old man back then. But with the advance of digital technology, Lucas has now been able to achieve the vision he had 21 years ago, that a full-grown Hayden Christensen would appear onscreen with Alec Guinness and the puppet-version of Yoda. No, really. Putting Sebastian Shaw into that scene the way he did in 1983, well, he knew it was a mistake. After all, Sebastian Shaw played the scarred-up version of Anakin Skywalker, and really now, who'd believe that his ghost would look "just like new" after dying in that condition -- and being burned up in that funeral pyre afterward. No, Lucas knew that this two-year-old Hayden Christensen was the ideal choice for the scene, but thought that people would have problems reconciling the age issue. So he put story and plot first, and special effects second, knowing that in about 20 years he'd be able to finally realize his true, completed vision.
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That's an original too. Thank you for noticing. Coming up with that must make six million and one.
I am fluent in over six million forms of procrastination.
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This is not intended as a political commentary -- just a piece of spontaneous art to comment on how ridiculous
it was for Lucas to do what he did.

He can't reach into my mind and change my memory of what I saw on the big screen when ROTJ came out.
Any head substitutions he choses to make will be just as jarring to me (and countless others my generation) as this example.

Lucas started to take himself far too seriously and this is what happens. Just because you can put images on celluloid doesn't
mean you can grow your own religion in your spare time. Especially if you keep going back to re-write your scriptures.

Do the Lucas films get worse with time, or is it that I was 13 in 1977?
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Oh, heck -- I really flubbed above post (my first-ever here, please forgive!).

Here is my objet d'art. Happily in 2004, we can all have digital pretensions...

Do the Lucas films get worse with time, or is it that I was 13 in 1977?
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Ah heck. It'll be Christmas soon enough. Get ready for the Star Wars Christmas Carol.


The ghost of Christmas past


The ghost of Christmas present


The ghost of Christmas future
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Wow. that is really shoddy. I'm sure someone could find a color photo of Lucas and splice it on their better.

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Riiight. Because anything that comes out of paint ISN'T shoddy-looking.
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Well of course if paint was used it would be shoddy by default. But who says the maker used paint?

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Originally posted by: Darth Justin



The ghost of Christmas future


LOL! good one Darth Justin.