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I posted this in another thread:

The Hayden change could have worked if 1) He actually made eye-contact with Obi-Wan, 2) He didn't look so damn creepy, 3) The spirits started out in their original form, and then ALL THREE morphed into their younger selves.
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Actually that might have been better. I would have laughed instead of cried!
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Honestly, why does he look so creepy? It's like he's eyeing his own children. Maybe he's thinking, "Hey, is that my daughter? She's pretty hot. Maybe I should do something to that guy she's flirting with? I wonder if she likes dead people? May as well off the boy as well. I swear, I listen to the kid and what does it get me? Now I'm dead, and I could've been ruler of this galaxy. I wonder who that old guy is next to me? He's grinning at me for some reason. I sure don't hope he's checking me out. Geez, I experiment one time with Palpatine, and now old dudes find me hot? Why's that frog here? Didn't I kill him years ago? He's looking a little peeved. I did kill off his little club, but hey, I was young and naive. And why the hell am I wearing these rags? You mean I have to spend eternity dressed like all those guys at the temple I killed? No wonder the kid's smiling, I must look totalling stupid. "

Sorry, got carried away in my fatigue.


Made for IE Forum's Episode III theme month - May 2005.

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Because actors in any movie past 1998 are incapable of acting.

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Fine, mister Lucas, while you're at it why dont you replace Lando with will smith?
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Because actors in any movie past 1998 are incapable of acting.

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Except Christopher Walken.
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It's the dumbest look I've ever seen on a person. Look at him (including Celine Dion, this import is embarassing to my country), he looks like Hannibal in Silence of the Lambs. "You see son, I was able to go back to the light after I destroyed the emperor, fried his liver and ate it with a nice picantee sauce." If I see any kids wearing a mask that looks like that this Halloween, I'm locking the door.
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Originally posted by: Kam
Because actors in any movie past 1998 are incapable of acting.

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Except Christopher Walken.



Piss off....Have you seen 'Welcome to the jungle'?......

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It's the dumbest look I've ever seen on a person. Look at him (including Celine Dion, this import is embarassing to my country), he looks like Hannibal in Silence of the Lambs. "You see son, I was able to go back to the light after I destroyed the emperor, fried his liver and ate it with a nice picantee sauce." If I see any kids wearing a mask that looks like that this Halloween, I'm locking the door.


Hello Clarice... I mean, Luke.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
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Originally posted by: Kam
Because actors in any movie past 1998 are incapable of acting.

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Except Christopher Walken.



Piss off....Have you seen 'Welcome to the jungle'?......


Have you seen this?
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Oh come on you know it's true...Movies have mainly sucked these days because teh actors are dumb fucks.

ever since Hollywood was taken over by the yuppies, soccer moms, and thought police from the left.

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Fine, mister Lucas, while you're at it why dont you replace Lando with will smith?
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I didn't see this edit, because I didn't make it to the end of this edited peice of crap. I ripped my eyes out.
When I'm walking, I strut my stuff, man I'm so strung out.
I am high as a kite, I just might, stop to check you out.

Body and beats, I stain my sheats, I don't even know why.
My girlfreind, she's at the end, she is starting to cry.
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now the scene look so dumb that make me to puke,goerge as kill the magic of that marvellous moment with the dumb kid
indiana jones and the quest for the holy trilogy comming soon!!
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watching that scene turned me to the dark side
indiana jones and the quest for the holy trilogy comming soon!!
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Originally posted by: Kam
Because actors in any movie past 1998 are incapable of acting.

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Except Christopher Walken.



Piss off....Have you seen 'Welcome to the jungle'?......


Have you seen this?



Very Good....

He's still shit in in though!

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You are discussing on who's a good actor nowadays? Uh, have you forgot Kevin Spacey? Benicio Del Toro? Adrien Brody (cant spell)?

BTW, have you seen Kevin Spacey do Christopher Walken on that SW spoof? Sure you did.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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If Anakin shows up as a younger person, why the heck doesn't Yoda or Ben do the same thing? I don't believe ANYTHING they can tell us in Episode 3 can explain this (I don't know anything about it since I'm spoiler free, but...).

Well, I'm just glad I've got the OOT in widescreen on VHS.
Hugs and ryshcate to all!
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episode 3 now has so many things to explain, it won't fit into a 2hour movie anymore!

i've wanted the Star Wars DVDs for so long that I was even ready to buy the SE, but that is too much, I just can't buy it. Those are not the OT I like, the meaning is completely different now.
"Last night, Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan and told me that if I didn't take Lorraine out that he'd melt my brain."
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It sucked, I am usualy quite a literate man but those two words are after many hours of delbertaion are my best stab at summing up what happened to the end of the the best series of films of all time.

It was also my second feeling as well, my first was a almost unbearable urge to throw something through the TV. I feel sick, the films for me have been defiled sullied cheapned f its not broke do not fix it.

To be honest I would not have minded too much if he was there and he looked aware of anything within 2 feet of him. To me he looks like a mental patient who has lost his medication. Im hoping to somehow create a DVD that cuts this bit out and substituites it with the correct ending.

I will then take my third disk and put it on a pile of logs on a forest moon and set it on fire.

Hayden Ghost made me cry
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Originally posted by: Enji
If Anakin shows up as a younger person, why the heck doesn't Yoda or Ben do the same thing? I don't believe ANYTHING they can tell us in Episode 3 can explain this (I don't know anything about it since I'm spoiler free, but...).

Well, I'm just glad I've got the OOT in widescreen on VHS.


Lucas explains why in the commentary. Anakin Skywalker died when he became Darth Vader. "The good man who was your father was destroyed" His spirit appears young because it was his last true form. Obi-Wan and Yoda were good there who lives so them as old people was there last true form. If you think about it this change makes sense. Logically if his spirit was the way he died in the end he would not have hair, skin, or limbs.
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I have to agree with Hayden’s acting. He appears to be so excited he’s in a movie that was released when he was still in diapers that he comes off looking like a massive tool. Could have been better…
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Originally posted by: Enji
If Anakin shows up as a younger person, why the heck doesn't Yoda or Ben do the same thing? I don't believe ANYTHING they can tell us in Episode 3 can explain this (I don't know anything about it since I'm spoiler free, but...).

Well, I'm just glad I've got the OOT in widescreen on VHS.


Lucas explains why in the commentary. Anakin Skywalker died when he became Darth Vader. "The good man who was your father was destroyed" His spirit appears young because it was his last true form. Obi-Wan and Yoda were good there who lives so them as old people was there last true form. If you think about it this change makes sense. Logically if his spirit was the way he died in the end he would not have hair, skin, or limbs.



The change may make sense but the explanation actually doesnt. Let me explain.

1) If Anakin was dead when he turned to the dark side and became Vader then Anakin and Vader are 2 different people (because if Anakin=Vader than Vader should be dead as well)
by this reasoning, Anakin should have then been able to appear as a ghost throughout any point in the trilogy, seeing as you become a ghost when you die, and according to you Anakin has been dead since the end of Episode III.

2) So at the end of ROTJ when Vader saves Luke (well by your reasoning above Vader died at this point because he was no longer evil, just as Anakin died when he was no longer good). This gets complicated now, because on the one hand we have this 'new Anakin' that is good again, at which point his current body is the last form he had, so I guess he should have appeared as the hairless (though some of his hair wasnt removed until this release), skinless (pretty sure he had skin though), limbless (and you're assuming that all his limbs are gone) But how do we have this good Anakin, because Anakin died according to you, so he must have risen from the dead, or didnt come back at all which leaves us with Anakin now filling three roles (pre vader, vader, post vader - and these are all different people). Or maybe Anakin came back from the dead and borrowed vaders body to communicate to his son in person before he 'fully passed on'. though if he wasnt already fully passed on he was never dead to begin with. (I seriously dont think lucas was trying to imply the philisophical depth that this explanation can have, seeing as Im pretty sure he's at a diminished mental capacity and probably not capable of such thoughts)

3) As you implied, Lucas' explation is based on something that Obi-Wan said (the whole point of view thing) well now thats actually a good idea in principle to use that to explain it, but unfortunatly I dont think it works here because he contridicts it with the Whole "There is good in you father I have felt it" from Luke when he is first captured and the "Tell your sister you were right" from Vader/Anakin (who ever he is at this point, the guy has died so many times im loosing track) at the end of jedi. Well if Luke is in fact right (which we have to assume he is, because Vader should know if there was still some good left in him, and he's the one telling luke he's right) then the whole 'good man who was your father' being destroyed thing wouldnt have happened cause he wasnt fully destroyed, so he would have lived on in the same body that Vader did and aged along with Vader. At this point i can see that as a ghost his body is restored to its unmutilated form, which is basically how i looked at it and thats why he isnt exactly the hairless, skinless, limbless ghost that you think would be logical...Personally I find his current mutilated body being de-mutilated being more logical (plenty of tv shows/movies that involve ghosts and the afterlife do things such as give paralyzed people that ability to walk in their spirit form)

4) this one is more simple, and someone (dont remember who) mentioned it once before, but why does Anakin get rewarded with his youthful self in death for turning to the darkside and killing thousands of people.

5) Lucas defends many of his changes by saying thats how he wanted the movie originally just didnt have the technology to do so, well he did have the technology to higher a YOUNGER actor to play Anakin's Ghost if thats what he wanted, then the change of actors now wouldnt be as big of a deal.

6)He also uses the continuity defense quite often. Well news flash, back in 1999 before Episode I came out you had the following existing trilogy, non existing prequals. So why didnt he just make the prequals fit in with the movies that already existed, If he really did have this whole story laid out to flow from the current prequals to the original trilogy why didnt the original story follow the flow it does now?

7) not related to the ghost, but he's also changing the movie to appeal to the current generation or to be more pc, WHY???? I dont know where I read it, but I read someones opinion that Lucas is afraid of his movies...he's afraid at how big of a success they became and doesnt have enough faith in what he originally created to believe that it will stand the test of time, so he's trying to modernize thinking it will extend its life. Honestly i think, as im sure most people on this bored due, that its actually shortening the life of the movies. They are becomming just another cgi filled special effects fest. When it comes down to it, I kind of pity George Lucas if he thinks this little of his work.

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Basically, Lucas change/explanation brings up more (at least in my opinion) unanswered questions that are also more prominent than the fact that Sebastian Shaw played the ghost of Anakin Skywalker.

Darth Simon
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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*touchy people disclaimer*
some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
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Wow. All this over a scene that lasts five seconds?

While I agree that the change is pointless, I don't think it ruins the movie. Just like all the other DVD changes, t will take some getting used to. I hope whoever gains control of the SW franchise when Lucas dies likes the movies more than Lucas does.

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I refuse to get used to is. I will never accept it as the true version of the movie. You can give in, but I won't.