Anakin should have become Darth Vader before the last 10 minutes of Episode III

Think that would have been better! And instead of the clones fighting for the republic, they should have been the enemy imho. Like it was hinted at in the early EU (especially in the Thrawn trilogy).

I think there should have been more than 3 movies, the phantom menace should have been it’s own story with no Episode number. Something like “In the beginning…”

Episode II now the new Episode I
Episode III now being the Episode II

At the end of the new Episode II, the duel happens, Kenobi doesn’t see what happens to Anakin, he falls over and Kenobi assumes he’s dead. This is the cliffhanger Kenobi and Padme leave and the closest planet is Alderaan. Bail Organa greets Kenobi and the injured Padme. Meanwhile, the injured Anakin is found by the Emperor as they fly into space and iris out, it’s the end of the movie.

Episode III begins after the scroll as we follow the Emperor’s ship coming out of light speed and arriving on the planet. We see Darth Vader being assembled but we can’t see his face, it’s more like building a machine. We watch as the twins are born on Alderaan.

Yoda has the same talk with Bail and Kenobi, but Yoda takes Luke with him to Dagobah until Kenobi can figure out what’s happening with Chancellor Palpatine. He arrives on Coruscant and goes to his office to speak to him, but the guards won’t let him in.

Kenobi can sense something, something dark and evil, yet very familiar. He decides to leave and return later.

A scene of the Emperor talking to Vader about his planned Death Star project and how it’s already in production. This will keep the systems under control.

Vader wipeouts all remaining Jedi on Coruscant with his newly constructed red lightsaber.

The movie eventually leads up to Vader confronting Kenobi and it’s a draw, badly wounded, Kenobi flys to Dagobah to ask Master Yoda what they should do, he orders him to take young Luke to Tatooine to live with his family, he promises to watch over him.

Same ending of Episode III.

Thanks WookieeWarrior77, that’s how I thought it would go down. I left a huge gap in the story once Kenobi is on Coruscant, but you get the idea of what I was going for, which is, Vader is the main villain, but he doesn’t know it’s Anakin until toward the end, and he’s actually frightened what his student and friend has turned into…a monster.

As for Luke going to Dagobah with Yoda first, it seemed like he had been there before, almost like a dream as he states in TESB, that’s because he was there.

I do hope this is addressed in the Obi-wan Kenobi series. Maybe he goes to Dagobah when he was 8 years old, but then Yoda or Kenobi mind erase his very brief time there, while he takes care of Leia from the inquisitors.

Uncle Owen will not like Kenobi for putting them all in danger. After it’s all over, he’ll say, “Stay away from my family, I don’t want to ever see you around here anymore.”

When Obi-Wan first meets him in Episode I, Anakin should be a young adult in his twenties or so (and “already a great pilot”). Obi-Wan should be “amazed how strongly the Force was with him,” taking “it upon [himself] to train him as a Jedi.” They eventually would go off to fight in the clone wars (along the way, Anakin getting involved with Luke’s mother and coming under the spell of Palpatine) and by the end of Episode II, Anakin is “seduced by the Dark Side of the Force … and [becomes] Darth Vader.” And then Episode III is all Darth Vader running around hunting down and purging Jedi.

One of the biggest problems of the prequel trilogy is that George Lucas decided to waste an entire movie with Anakin being a small child. Not only is there no plausible way for such a young boy to meaningfully contribute to the story (without resorting to silliness), but it also uses up a full third of the trilogy to do so and sets the wrong tone for the rest of the films.

Of course, by this time in history, Lucas himself has already turned to the Dark Side (fully committing to the Special Editions and forsaking the original releases, overly obsessing over CGI, and most damning, insulating himself from any outside writing/directorial help or input and surrounding himself with those only capable of muttering “Yes, Mr. Lucas”). So, even if we had avoided a child Anakin, there is little hope that the prequels would have turned out significantly better. But maybe, just maybe, we could have got…something more.

You mean he should have been in the suit before the last few minutes because he was dubbed Darth Vader as soon as he rescued Palpatine.

People are too obsessed with the idea of trilogies. Honestly they should have never bothered numbering the Star Wars movies at all, and should have just filled things in with whatever movies they wanted to make. So like, for instance, they could have just made a bunch of movies about young Anakin at different stages of his life, or about other characters in that time period (which could feature Anakin as a supporting character or guest character), and we wouldn’t know the exact one where Anakin would turn to the dark side, but we would see the gradual transition. And then a later movie could just be about him hunting down Jedi. Others could be about other characters, like Obi Wan.

I mean that’s eventually what the Star Wars meta narrative evolved into, when you factor in Clone Wars and all the standalone movies and Disney Plus shows. There’s no reason they couldn’t have just written things that way in the first place, instead of forcing the prequels and sequels to mirror the OT.

Trilogies didn’t really exist before Star Wars though. At least not in the same fashion. It could have been series like Planet of the Apes where it just kept going until it ran out of steam entirely.

Anyway, on topic, no Vader as he was in SW originally should not have been shown in the PT.

I would have liked him getting some sort of Sith outfit that is similar to his Vader outfit and then the rest of Vader’s iconic suit is built onto that after the run-in with Obi-Wan.

G&G-Fan said:

Buzz Lightyear said:

People are too obsessed with the idea of trilogies. Honestly they should have never bothered numbering the Star Wars movies at all, and should have just filled things in with whatever movies they wanted to make. So like, for instance, they could have just made a bunch of movies about young Anakin at different stages of his life, or about other characters in that time period (which could feature Anakin as a supporting character or guest character), and we wouldn’t know the exact one where Anakin would turn to the dark side, but we would see the gradual transition. And then a later movie could just be about him hunting down Jedi. Others could be about other characters, like Obi Wan.

I mean that’s eventually what the Star Wars meta narrative evolved into, when you factor in Clone Wars and all the standalone movies and Disney Plus shows. There’s no reason they couldn’t have just written things that way in the first place, instead of forcing the prequels and sequels to mirror the OT.

While I think it would’ve been great to have a movie of just Darth Vader killing Jedi

Moving his turn earlier doesn’t necessarily mean the ending is nothing but killing Jedi. A more convincing arc could’ve been:

1. Set Anakin up as a hero

2. Anakin succumbs to the dark side

3. Anakin’s friends fail to pull him back to the light

Well, a big problem with that is that it isn’t a trilogy. It’s two movies, a long ass cartoon, and then two more movies. It isn’t conducive to telling a character arc. One movie is more than enough to set Anakin up as a hero, and the third movie is way more than enough to show him adjusting into being a cyborg monster, something that’s honestly icing on the cake and not actually an essential part of this story.

I managed to see all the episodes.

People have said this before, but I’m really unsure how it would be done. When people bring up the idea of showing more Vader hunting down Jedi, what would that story look like? How would you do it without making it a very long montage? You could pick one or two or a group of Jedi for him to go after, but why should we get attached to them in particular? The major characters up to this point are all accounted for, so you would have to make up some new ones just for them to die by the end of the movie. Obi Wan’s summary of the situation in the original movie pretty much covers it.

I disagree with the “Vader should have turned earlier” idea. It just doesn’t “rhyme” well with the OT. In the OT, we had a definite set of core characters, and IMO the same should be the case with the PT. It would seem clumsy if the protagonist of the first 2/3rds of the trilogy became the antagonist in the last part. I suppose you could fix that by having Obi-wan be the main protagonist, but I’d rather have the prequels be Anakin’s story first and foremost.

In my ideal prequels, Ep1 would’ve had Anakin as a heroic protagonist. Ep2 would plant the seeds of darkness in him, becoming an antihero, and by Ep3 would be about him turning to the dark side, with the definitive turn at the climax. He may only become evil at the very end of the trilogy, but it’s a much more gradual progression that doesn’t feel forced.

One idea I like is that in Ep3, Anakin and Obi-wan should be rivals, who are either part of different factions fighting for the same general cause, or they’re on different sides but still respect each other until Anakin fully becomes Vader.

I kind of understand where people are coming from with this, it would be cool for Darth Vader to show up for more than 2 scenes and actually get to do something, but I don’t think they’d really be able to sustain it for an extended period of time. If there is one thing that is consistent in the Star Wars TV Shows and Movies, it is that Darth Vader is used sparingly. He only shows up for a total of 37 minutes in the original trilogy, he gets around 10 minutes in A New Hope, 13 minutes in Empire, and around 14 in Return. In Revenge he only gets 2 scenes, he only appears for one scene in Rouge One, we get the epilogue scene in The Clone Wars which is only around 2 minutes, and he only appears in 3-4 episodes of Rebels for a grand total of 10 minutes. He gets 22 minutes in Obi-Wan, but that shows around 4 and a half hours long so it’s technically consistent with previous entries. I actually really like that because too much Vader I think would not work that well. Sure there have been comics and books where he’s the main character and focus of the story, and there’s a chance it could be cool, but I just don’t think it would satisfy anyone.