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That's been edited. Quote the Lucas "we wanted to make the movies more open, as well as make Luke's scream sound more agonizing. So we decided on a few minor changes... some of the dialogue has been altered, but for the most part it's the same."

"Obiwan never told you what happened to your father?"

"He told me enough! He told me you killed him!"

"No Luke, I was his lover!"

"NO! NO!! that's not true!! That's impossible!!"

"Search your feelings; you know it to be true!"

"NO!! NO!!!!!!"

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ROTJ:

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"Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father."

"Your father was seduced by the Dark Side. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view."
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^ LOL

My favorite moment in RotJ has to be the final duel between Luke and Vader.

V: You can not hide forever, Luke.
L: I will not fight you.
V: Give yourself to the Dark Side. It's the only way you can save your friends. Yes. Your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong. Especially for.....sister. So, you have a twin sister. Your feelings have now betrayed her too. Obi Wan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete. If you will not turn to the Dark Side, then perhaps she will.
L: NEVER!!

Cue timeless male choir as Luke attacks Vader with all his might. I truly powerful moment. You know, something both prequels lack(I still like them though). Oh, and Jimbo, someone of your age shouldn't have such horrid grammer. If I didn't know better, I'd say English was your second language. At the very least, use a little thing called spell check, please. It will add much more credit to your opinions.


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Greatest quote from Star Wars EVER

"Jabba, this is your last chance. Free us or die."

Totally bad ass

“You know, when you think about it, the Ewoks probably just crap over the sides of their tree-huts.”

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My favorites

"Much to learn you still have"
"Your all clear kid now lets blow this thing and go home"
"If only you knew the power of the dark side"
"Free us or die"
"I find your lack of faith disturbing"
"Why do I have the feeling your going to be the death of me"
"You'll find Im full of surprises"
"Powerful you have become Dooku the dark side I sense in you"
"Hes no good to me dead"
"No I call it agressive negociations"
"This parties over"
"Wipe them out all of them"
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I love the exchange between the Gold group pilots in ANH:

"The guns, they've stopped!"

"Stabilize rear deflectors, watch for enemy fighters."

and

"You're no good, I can't manuever!"

"Stay on target."

"You're too close!"

"Stay on target."

"Loosen up! Agh!"

"Gold 5 to Red Leader, lost Tiree, lost Hutch. They from behind! Agh!"

Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here, this is the war room!

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How about when Yoda gives his "Luminous beings are we..." speech. In one shot, that muppet shows more emotion and life than the cgi Yoda did in all of Episode II.
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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
How about when Yoda gives his "Luminous beings are we..." speech. In one shot, that muppet shows more emotion and life than the cgi Yoda did in all of Episode II.


Bullshit nothing beats his cockyness from the little guy when just before he kicked ass.
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Yeah ok. At that point it looked more like a cartoon.
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"nothing beats his cockyness" So now, the PT portrayal of Yoda is "cockiness"?

//sigh Obi-wan was right..."Dark times", indeed.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
How about when Yoda gives his "Luminous beings are we..." speech. In one shot, that muppet shows more emotion and life than the cgi Yoda did in all of Episode II.


Bullshit nothing beats his cockyness from the little guy when just before he kicked ass.


Um, that speech defined Yoda. It spoke volumes about the Force, and added depth to the scene. Seeing him bouncing off walls in a pinball doesn't.


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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
How about when Yoda gives his "Luminous beings are we..." speech. In one shot, that muppet shows more emotion and life than the cgi Yoda did in all of Episode II.


Bullshit nothing beats his cockyness from the little guy when just before he kicked ass.


Um, that speech defined Yoda. It spoke volumes about the Force, and added depth to the scene. Seeing him bouncing off walls in a pinball doesn't.


Exactly. Before this we never quite knew too much about the force, beyond the vague description Ben gives in ANH.

Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here, this is the war room!

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I´ve always been amazed at how much depth, emotion and nobility Frank Oz managed to squeeze out of that Yoda puppet. There are really subtle variations of expression and emotion that I would never have imagined would be possible with a puppet. They took a BIG risk back in 1980 by using a puppet as a pivotal character in one of the biggest movies of all time and thanks to the brilliance of Mr. Oz it worked - and not only worked but made this little green dude one of the most appealing characters in movie history - and not really equalled (or possibly toppled?) until recently with the astounding work of Weta Digital and Andy Serkis with the Gollum character in the LOTR trilogy. Of course Yoda is the king but you know what I´m on about. And I think the CGI Yoda doesn´t come close to what was acheeved back in 1980, there is ultimately something "lifeless" about the digital Yoda as opposed to the strangely "lifelike" Yoda puppet, it did manage a huge bond with audiences.

peace,

Rebelscum
peace,

Rebelscum
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I wouldn't blame the cgi work(me, not blame cg?) but rather the material. Yoda is a minor character in the PT. He doesn't have the importance and promenence that he does in the OT. There just not that much to go with. I'd elaborate, but I'm a bit worn out arguing with someone on a different forum that not all stormtroopers are clones.


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Originally posted by: Rebelscum
I´ve always been amazed at how much depth, emotion and nobility Frank Oz managed to squeeze out of that Yoda puppet. There are really subtle variations of expression and emotion that I would never have imagined would be possible with a puppet. They took a BIG risk back in 1980 by using a puppet as a pivotal character in one of the biggest movies of all time and thanks to the brilliance of Mr. Oz it worked - and not only worked but made this little green dude one of the most appealing characters in movie history - and not really equalled (or possibly toppled?) until recently with the astounding work of Weta Digital and Andy Serkis with the Gollum character in the LOTR trilogy. Of course Yoda is the king but you know what I´m on about. And I think the CGI Yoda doesn´t come close to what was acheeved back in 1980, there is ultimately something "lifeless" about the digital Yoda as opposed to the strangely "lifelike" Yoda puppet, it did manage a huge bond with audiences.

peace,

Rebelscum


THANK YOU!!
i will always be amazed with Yoda in the OT...
i find he was one of the most powerful characters in SW when it came to plot...
he was never about action... every scene on Dagobah was about mental stability and not how fancy you are with a sword...

Lucas absolutly butchered him in the PT...
not just looks wise but personality too...

my fave line in the movies as if its not already obvious is in my signature...

after 3 movies we finally see that Luke has it in him to not be seduced by the very thing that killed his father...
it doesnt seem powerful when he says it... but in theory it's the biggest and best line of the entire trilogy to me...
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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I agree. It sounds really weak when he says it, but it should be a really great line.

Come to think of it, I really don't have a favorite line.. Maybe Obi-Wan's line about fools in the Falcon.


But.. I can't believe I just agreed with Luke about something!!

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But.. I can't believe I just agreed with Luke about something!!


You should agree with him more often, he's usually right.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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Really?

So. If Jimbo or Bossk agree's with me, does it make me right?

Is an opinion more valid because you happen to agree with it Reg?

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Yes.

Nah I'm kidding you're alright.

I knew I shouldn't have left the emoticon off that post.

It's hard to convey tone on the internet, I'm sure you know that.

(There's a Futurama reference in this post.)
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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Yeah. Sometimes I make a joke and later read it and realize that I must have sounded like a complete Nerf-hurter...

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awwwwwwwww bonding...
i admit i've been rather harsh on here too lately...

but im kinda thinking about just calling it quits...
i find myself getting more and more stressed as i visit these boards... and now that September 21st has hit...
Star Wars news is going to be few and far away...

but im not sure yet...
im gonna make a thread announcing my permanent departure if i do end up leaving....
i think ive just lost any care i have left for these movies...

we'll see
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Wow, that seems pretty sad Luke. I don't post much anymore, but it's still pretty lively around here with lots of neat stuff going on.

While I've been pretty stressed for the last while myself with family and everything, and the whole Lucas circus in full swing I do feel kinda numb to it all. But I figure once this all dies down and everyone sees that its all just a lot of hype (especially once there are Star Wars DVDs on every street and corner-as if it wasn't already) more people will finally realize that what they're getting isn't from their childhood at all. So instead of just a small cult of hard-core purists, the sleeping public will wake up to what's going on. Frankly, that could be interesting.

Anyway, I do hope you feel better soon, buddy.
The original Star Wars trilogy: Our cultural history deserves to be preserved and should be available to the public like all great works of art!
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I'm going to keep up the good fight. People have to know that the audio is screwed up (music in rear channels is flipped) and that the Originals are not on the DVD's. They also have to know that Lucasfilm refuses to admit that there is an audio problem. These DVD's need to be recalled.

Patrick
"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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I'm going to keep up the good fight. People have to know that the audio is screwed up (music in rear channels is flipped) and that the Originals are not on the DVD's. They also have to know that Lucasfilm refuses to admit that there is an audio problem. These DVD's need to be recalled.

Patrick


Hopefully this is going to get a huge media attention, and a major crisis for Lucasfilm if the movies get re-called.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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but lets not forget about those hard core Lucas fans like jimbo...

guarantee he comes back saying Lucas meant for this to happen and i love it!
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Although I'm sure they're going to sell a bazillion dvds, and yes it's just the first day, I don't see the release of the dvds being the triumph that Lucasfilm envisioned. There's just too much dissent from everywhere that can't help but be noticed. Sure most of the reviews are positive, but there still are a fair amount of negative ones. Amazon's customer rating for the trilogy has fallen to 3 1/2 stars out of 5, and this is due to the dvds. You have new scenes which are sure to rub people the wrong way, minimal extras, and various blunders like the green lightsaber. And the audio problem is nothing short of a total debacle. Not to mention any time Lucas is in any publication promoting anything star wars, he automatically gets asked about the originals. Again, I'm not saying we've won anything, but it just seems that the release of the dvds is far from the unequivocally successful release that Lucasfilm had in mind.
40,000 million notches away