An Index Thread for the Media section…
An Index thread to try and help members find information, and links, to just some of the many various Media threads that have originated on the OriginalTrilogy•com down the years…
If there is a thread in the ‘Media’ section that you’d like to suggest to be added to this Index then please post it below - and which Index Category you think it’s best suited for.
Please also let us know if you see any errors, broken links - or have any other suggestions etc, below too - thanks.
The Index Categories are…
• Other Index & Useful Threads around the OriginalTrilogy•com
• Music, Soundtracks & Audio
• Art (and photos, pictures, memes, gifs etc)
• Book, Comics & Literature
If you are new to the OriginalTrilogy•com then the following info may be of some assistance…
Firstly, the About and Help sections may be of interest to you regarding this site and what the OriginalTrilogy•com is about.
Secondly, the ’How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com - some info & answers to members’ queries thread should also hopefully be of some help as to many of the functions of the site, along with other related info as well.
Thirdly, the Announcements Section - including Site Rules & Guidelines, Fan Edit & Preservation Rules & FAQ, as well info for Signatures, Linking Policy for Downloads, and Plot Spoiler Policy (and much more) that may be of use too.
If you are having any issues with the site, have a question, an idea to improve the site, or would like to give some feedback - then these can be done in the Feedback Forum and General Assistance sections.
Finally, the self-explanatory An OriginalTrilogy.com timeline thread - a history of the site and why & how it came to be… contains a fair bit of additional info chronicling both the site & also numerous changes made to the Original Trilogy over time.
Massive kudos, respect, thanks and many positive waves to yhwx for creating and maintaining his quality & exhaustive ‘Off Topic’ Index thread (back when Off Topic was just one section) - upon which much of this Index is based on - and can still be found here:-
The Index Thread for Franchises, General Human Endeavors, and Other Discussion Threads 👍 ✊
Other Index & Useful Threads around the OriginalTrilogy•com…
An Index Thread for General Star Wars Discussion…
An Index Thread for Theatrical Cuts vs. Subsequent Releases…
An Index Thread (and more) for Star Wars Preservations…
Project Index: Star Wars Preservations - original Index Thread by Moth3r
An Index Thread for Star Wars Fan Edits and Other Projects…
Project Index: Other Preservations and Fan Projects - original Index Thread by Moth3r
An Index Thread (and more) for Preservation of Other Properties…_
An Index Thread (and more) for Fan Edits and Projects for Other Properties…
An Info & Help Thread for Fan Edits and Projects for Other Properties… (FAQs, Searches, Myspleen, & more…)
An Index Thread (and more) for Case Covers, Disc Labels, and Fan Art…
An Index Thread for Script Writing and Re-writing…
An Index Thread for The Cantina…
An Index Thread for the Culture & Current Events section…
The Unofficial but Totally Awesome OriginalTrilogy.com Interactive Holocron (Beta version) - here in Off Topic
Classic LOL Moments in OT.com History - here in Off Topic
Off Topic is now three separate categories - in The Cantina
The “Help me find that thread” Thread - in The Cantina
Movie News Thread
Random Movie Thoughts
The ‘next Movie you would like to discuss’ thread… (alternatively: The ‘last Trailer you have seen’ thread…)
Movies/TV Shows That’s on your need to see list.
The ‘next Movie you have seen’ thread…
Last movie seen
First Movie Seen
Movies Seen In Theaters From Before You Were Born
Movies that were updated, then the original was “lost” (other than Star Wars)
The Movies You Would Like To See Made (Not SW)
All Film History in 52 Weeks - double-feature suggestions…
The Lost Film thread (and rediscovered films)
Your favorite movies
Everybody’s Top Ten Favorite Movies
Tell me what movies to watch!
Top 10 Best Films of 1970s
Recommend An 80’s Movie
Top 10 Best Films of 1990s
Best movies of '05
how to rate movies
The Armchair Movie Critic thread
Stunt Men VS the Oscars (2005 thread)
When Remakes are a Bad Idea
Sequels that should never be… - a 2005 thread
Has there ever been a good comedy sequel?
How many good third movies in a trilogy can you name?
Is Part 3 of Anything Ever Good?
Is Part 4 of anything ever good??
Best/Worst Parody Movie?
Movies you enjoy even though you know they’re bad
How to make certain movie series’ perfect…
Worst Movies of 2003
Last Movie You Can’t Unsee
Movie Apologist Thread
Movies generally considered “bad” that you like.
Guilty pleasure films
Praise a “bad” movie
Great movies you hate
When You Are a Movie/TV Character…
Worst Cliches in Films
Twist Endings in Films
Favorite Cliffhanger Endings in Films
Film scenes that make you go “Hmmmmm…”
The “Name that Movie/TV Show I Can’t Name” Thread
Penultimate Movie Seen
Last Movie Not Seen
Psychology of People not liking people not liking movies.
Your favo[u]rite actors & actresses
Your favo[u]rite directors
Creators that ruined their own works
Top 10 Hitchcock Films
ridley scott movies
Muxing up Movie quotes
The Quotable Quote
Most Useful Movie Quotes (Non SW)
What is the rarest video in your collection?
How do you sort your movies?
Misbegotten Movie Concepts
The Criterion Collection Thread
The Scifi Films and Television of 2019 - informative list of forthcoming content by Tobar
The Scifi Films and Television of 2018 - comprehensive list of content for 2018 by Tobar
The Scifi Films of 2017 : 2016 : 2015 : 2014 : 2013 - Tobar’s quality look at the sci-fi films released by year
Under-Rated SF Films
Diamond-Hard Science Fiction?
The Silent Film Thread
Classic Horror Films
Horror Movie Recommendations
Horror movie fans…
Kick-ass horror movies
(READ DESCRIPTION) Nightmare Fuel Non-Horror Movie Scenes
October Horror Movie Challenge
Movies you watch every Halloween
Slasher Flicks Discussion Thread
Movies that actually scare/scared you!
Some questions concerning Bruce Lee’s movies
Movies with dates in them
The Inspirational Films Thread
Funniest Movie Ever
controversial movies - a 2005 thread
Pirates of the Caribbean and the Political Correctness Craze
The last great practical effects movie
Perfect Movie Shots
If you were going to make a Film or Films. What Aspect ratio, Lens, Camera, Genre, Style, etc. Would you use. Thread
The ‘last Fan Edit you have seen’ thread…
Legality, fan-edits, and more. Legality, fan-edits, and repercussions
If you were going to make a Film or Films. What Would it be about?
RESTORATION FOR DUMMIES - a superb 2016 thread & guide by ^…^
How much longer will the format war last?
Worst Blu-ray transfers thread
New 4K releases - but are they any good?
does display type matter ?
Projecting films and Home Cinema - a 2018 thread
The Film Industry
Series / Franchises…
Sci-Fi & Fantasy…
new “STAR TREK” 2009 spoiler thread
Star Trek Into Darkness - Full Spoiler Discussion
Star Trek Into Darkness - a 2012 thread
Abrams is Destroying Star Trek like Lucas has Destroyed Star Wars
^ more Star Trek threads can be found in the Television section of this Index.
Ranking the Terminator films
Linda Hamilton Returns To Terminator - New Film A Direct Sequel To Judgement Day
What is your favorite versions of the following movies: Apocalypse Now, Alien, Aliens, Blade Runner and Terminator 2?
Blade Runner Versions?
Blade Runner OV vs. DC
Blade Runner sequels/prequels?
Ranking the Alien films
Alien vs Predator 2!?
PROMETHEUS was (Alien 0?) NOW NO LONGER SPOILER FREE.
About The Matrix Trilogy
War of the Worlds
TRON being remade STOP IT!!
Is Dune a good movie?
Dune Extended Cut
Would anyone want a Dune remake? - a 2007 thread
2001: A Space Odyssey SEVERE Color Changes in 50th Anniversary Edition! 😦
Interstellar in classic Black & White - a Papai2013 project
AVATAR and 3D in general…
Flash Gordon Rumor - a 2005 thread
They Live! (1988 film)
TREMORS (Film/Television series)
Moon : 2009 film by Duncan Jones
The ManMadeMoon Thread. (No Trolls) (No Spoilers) - Whistle, Moon, Source Code, Warcraft & Mute
Abyss in HD?
the butterfly effect
Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
THX-1138 on DVD, please…
A Wrinkle in Time
Transformers Trailer - a 2006 thread
Transformers: The Movie - a 2006 thread (Michael Bay)
Best Evil Dead movie?
Dracula Restoration: Thoughts?
Does Romero’s Dead series depict the same zombie apocalypse?
Dawn of the Dead
Land Of The Dead
I am Legend
Lord of the Rings…what’s the deal?
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: Return of the King (spoilers)
Lord of the Rings : Extended Edition
Lord of the Rings: Extended Editions Actually Suck?
THE HOBBIT - a 2004 thread
The Hobbit starting in 2007?
Peter Jackson evidently IS returning for The Hobbit…sort of… - a 2006 thread
Is the Hobbit prequel trilogy suffering the same problems as the Star Wars prequel Trilogy?
Hobbit - The Battle of Five Armies
The Hobbit movie: Dwarves
EVERYTHING HARRY POTTER
The Harry Potter Discussion Thread
The all about Harry Potter thread
Harry Potter 3
Action & Adventure…
Rank The Indiana Jones Films
Indy Blu-rays announced - Indiana Jones
WTF George and Steven?!?! More Indy 4 stuff
Indiana Jones 4 - a 2005 thread : Indiana Jones IV - a 2007 thread
If Lucas Made an Indiana Jones V or VI would anyone here see them ?
“Now…what shall we talk about?” The All-Inclusive Indiana Jones Thread
A new Indiana Jones? - a 2014 thread
Back to the Future
Great Scott! Back to the Future (Was: Bringing to Pass BTTF ptII’s 2015)
James Bond 007 Thread
Brosnan is no longer Bond, Daniel Craig is now Bond - a 2005 thread. Feeling old yet? 😉
Bond, James Bond - a 2006 thread
James Bond is awesome
“Harry Palmer” Films (The Thinking Man’s James Bond)
Pirates of the Caribbean Two
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End
Jurassic Park films
Jurassic Franchise and discussion (Triassic and Cretaceous discussions allowed as well)
Jurassic Park in Black & White Film - a Papai2013 project
Godzilla series (Rank 'em, rate, whatever, etc).
The Da Vinci Code Movie
The Golden Compass
Kingdom of Heaven
the last samurai
Troy : Troy - for all your Trojan needs
Robin Hood - Prince of Thieves
Kelly’s Heroes - (1970 film)
Superhero / Comic Book Films…
General Batman Talk
The Dark Knight Movie Discussion (July 18th, 2008)
The Dark Knight (Batman Begins Returns Again)
Dark Knight Rises - Now that we know the cast
Ben Affleck cast as new Batman
Ranking the Batman films
The Essential, Authoritative, Indispensable Batman™ Thread
Batman vs Superman: DOJ thread? (contains spoilers)
Superman Movie - a 2005 thread
Superman 2 The Donner Cut
Donner Cut Vs Lester Cut?
Ranking the Superman films
SUPERMAN RETURNS REVIEW
Man of Steel - Your thoughts
spider-man 2 - a 2004 thread
spider-man 3 - a 2005 thread
The Marvel Cinematic Universe - Tobar’s superb and comprehensive thread on the Marvel films
Ranking the MCU Movies
The DC Extended Universe
G.I. Joe: Worst Movie Ever Made? - a 2009 thread
All about the Fantastic Four - a 2005 thread
Anyone going to check out “Hellboy” : Hellboy
Guardians of the Galaxy discussion thread
Sin City: The Movie : Sin City
V for Vendetta
Children of Men
Young At Heart… (somewhat retro - if you’re of a certain age)
Rank The Muppet Films!
The Dark Crystal
Tartakovsky Directing Dark Crystal Sequel - a 2006 thread (it didn’t happen)
The Princess Bride
Will…er, I mean Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - a 2005 thread
Thunderbirds! are GO!! in 2004
Garfield : The Movie - a 2004 thread
Who likes Toy Story
Teenage Muntant Ninja Turtles - a 2006 film thread
Strange Magic - Lucasfilm’s New Upcoming Animated Film! - a 2014 thread
Kubrick’s The Shining - Analysis - What he wanted us to Know
The Godfather DVD Collection
Discussion Thread for Phantom Thread
To Live and Die in L.A. (1985)
Akira the movie
This Movie must be stopped!!! - Rocky 6
The Day After Tomorrow
Snakes on a Plane
Team America: World Police
The Girl Next Door
The Hangover Trilogy
Last web series/tv show seen
Random TV Thoughts
TV shows you have loved
Earliest TV or Movie Memories
Number 1 TV Show When growing up!
Nineties kids, rejoyce!
TV Series You Didn’t Like But Kept Watching
Phobias That wreck your enjoyment of Films, Television and Video Games
TV Shows renewed and cancelled
TV Shows on DVD - a 2005 thread
TV on DVD resurrected (kind of)
DVDs of 2004? - an erm… 2004 thread
What’s your dream DVD?
Guilty Pleasures (DVD)
Your DVD Collection
General DVD Talk
The sitcom thread
Humor vs. Humour
Anyone else miss grit in movies and TV shows?
To Canon or Not To Canon…
Do you watch the entire end credits of a movie/tv show?
The General Ken Burns Discussion Thread
Your favourite actors & actresses
Your favourite directors
Series / Franchises…
All Things Star Trek
What is your personal Star Trek canon?
Star Trek TNG on BluRay confirmed !
Deep Space Nine
Enterprise - a 2004 thread
is there any Star Trek Enterprise fans here?
Ranking the Star Trek films (and/or series’)
So since Hell froze over, Fox and WB finally came to terms - Batman '66 on DVD - Adam West’s Batman
Does Tom Have That Right? - a Dr Who moral question thread…
New Doctor Who - a 2005 thread
The New Doctor Who - a 2006 thread
No sh*zn*t, Sherlock! : Sherlock?
Game of Thrones (HBO)
Westworld - 2016 tv series
The Handmaid’s Tale
The X-Files : The X-Files - Worth Watching? - a 2006 thread
The Stranger Things Thread
BSG (Battlestar Galactica)
battle star Galatica - a 2004 thread
Any Battlestar Galactica fans here?
2nd BSG a review and, analysis of season 3 - the finale + Caprica observations (Spoilers)
Firefly : Serenity : Why, oh, why do they cancel shows this good???
Lost In Space (2018)
Lost in Space!!! (Or, if you prefer, Lost IN SPAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!) - a 2011 thread
For Babylon 5 Fans
So… V? - the 2009 series
Stargate : Stargate Universe
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Thread
Fear The Walking Dead
That’s some damn fine coffee. Twin Peaks is returning to TV! 😃
Tales From The Darkside
The New Knight Rider - a 2008 thread
24 - Live another day
Bionic Woman 2007
Anthology series such as Twilight Zone and The Outer Limits
Comedies / Light Entertainment…
MST3K : Mystery Science Theater 3000
DISNEY TO BUY MUPPETS
“Scrubs” coming to Comedy Central in Widescreen and HD
It’s… the Monty Python Thread
The Mary Whitehouse Experience
The Red Dwarf appreciation thread
The IT Crowd
Misfits (UK tv show)
Animated TV Series…
Number 1 ‘Classic’ Adult Cartoon - a 2006 thread
Cartoons are awful RANT (Family Guy and South Park fans beware!)
The Marvel Animated Universe
a Snoopy / Peanuts / Charlie Brown appreciation thread
You Only Move Twice (1996 Simpsons episode)
The Simpsons - Season 6
Say Goodbye to the Simpsons (UPDATE: false alarm)
A Future For Futurama? - a 2006 thread
The Return of Futurama
Family Guy Star Wars Trilogy?
Isaac Hayes Quits ‘South Park’
Dragonball Z: Reanimated
General Anime/Manga Thread
Anime That’s on your need to Watch list
Manga and Anime Fans
DEATH NOTE. MANGA, ANIME, MOVIES, ETC. (MAYBE SPOILERS)
Should anime be adapted into big budget films?
Music, Soundtracks & Audio
What instruments do you play?
Any Other Musicians out there? - a 2005 thread
The Musician’s Thread
Possessed’s My music thread
My group just released a CD - a 2016 thread by Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda
The Music Festival Thread
Clubbing - a 2005 thread
Clubbing version 2
Your Music Collection
Your vinyl record collections
VINYLVINYLVINYL! - erm… vinyl
Music - what do you listen to?
What are you listening to now? - a 2007 thread
What are you listening to right now? - a 2005 thread
Last song you listened to.
Last Album Listened To
Last Music Video Seen
Bands you love?
Are there bands for who you have all they’ve ever done?
favorite songs - a 2006 thread
Desert Island Discs
Albums That’s on your need to listen list.
Favorite voice in music?
Best lead singer in your opinion
What song lyrics inspire you to look forward to seeing the sun every day life allows you to?
Songs That Tell a Story
Best and Worst Decades For Music
Terrible songs that you secretly like… (aka the very brief OT.com boyband thread…)
Truly awful songs that some people might like.
Worst song covers EVER!
The Soundtrack Thread
SoundTrack to your life
Favorite Movie Soundtracks
John Williams Film Scores
Indie Music Thread
The best classic rock album of all time
Awesome Rock Bands
The Heavy Metal Thread
Possessed’s My music thread
The Beatles - a 2007 thread
Ranking the Beatles Albums : The Beatles 2009 Remasters
Any Nirvana Fans?
Songs That Are About Or Include…Hair!
The Only REAL Podcast Thread! (2011 thread, by TheBoost)
“The Table Round” Podcast Audio Drama (2014 thread, by TheBoost)
Podracers (2014 thread, by DominicCobb)
Podcasts (2014 thread, by Mike O)
Anyone wanna talk about preservation/fan edits on my podcast? (2015 thread, by UUpodcast)
My voice-over for “CAPCOM GO!” The Apollo Story. Planetarium show celebrating the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11 (2019 thread, by Mielr)
Art (and photos, pictures, memes, gifs etc)
Random Pictures and Gifs (now with winning!) - NSFW
The Semi-Random Random Pictures and Thoughts Thread [NSFW]
Quality Art and Artistic Photos (Pic Heavy)
The all-purpose ART thread! - submit your own art here (art by you)
Photography - submit your own photos here (photos taken by you)
OT.com memes (definition and origin)
Google Image Search YOURSELF!
DeviantArt (possibly NSFW)
Silly Pics - a 2005 thread (many pics may no longer be working)
Facepalms, Fist pumps, Whatever Faces, Don’t Care Meters, Angry Faces, Crotch Kicks, Crying Faces, STFU, Deal With It, Derps, Oh Snap, Double Takes, and So On…(NSFW Language Advisory)
Off Topic OTTO (NSFW Pics Allowed) (dewollA sciP WFSN) OTTO cipoT ffO
Putting a face to the face (photoshop contest) - a 2011 thread
Awesome Cover/Poster Art
Terrible DVD/Blu-ray Cover Art
BEAUTIFUL WOMEN NEW RULES IN FIRST POST (NSFW) UPDATED RULES
Beautiful Women - a 2004 thread
Hot Women That Just Don’t Do It For You (This thread is worthless without pics)
How do you post images on here?
How to post an image on the OriginalTrilogy.com site + more how to’s…
An Index Thread for Case Covers, Disc Labels, and Fan Art… (and more)
Books, Comics & Literature
What are you reading?
What’re You Reading Right Now - a 2005 thread
What You’re Reading Now: Revisited
The Thread Where You Wax Rhapsodic about Your Book Collection
Unproduced Screenplays: ones you’ve read or plan to read
The OT.com J. R. R. Tolkien & Middle Earth Discussion Thread
The Lord of the Rings (Films vs. the Books)
The Children of Hurin
A Song of Ice and Fire
The Stephen King Thread
The Dark Tower
Terry Pratchett’s Discworld
Hunter S. Thompson commits suicide
Veronica Roth’s Optimism Towards her book adaptations
Narnia Reading Order
R.I.P. Michael Crichton
Huckleberry Finn to be Censored
Ranking the Harry Potter Books
EVERYTHING HARRY POTTER
General Harry Potter Discussion
Fantasy novels being Made into movies for big and small screen - a 2007 thread
Books/Comics/Audio Books that are on your need to Read list
The ‘last Comic you have read’ thread…
Why DC Comics sucks - a 2005 thread
Comic book movies - who says yes and who says no? - a 2005 thread
Favorite Board Games?
The Official All-Purpose Board Game Thread
Tabletop/Pencil-and-Paper Gaming (D&D, etc)
Six Degrees of Separation
The Return of Six Degrees of Star Wars
The Star Wars Pun Game
A New Hope Script Game
The Empire Strikes Back Script Game
Return of the Jedi Script Game
The five words at a time story game thread
Four word story - a 2018 thread.
Last Letter Game - a 2018 thread.
Let’s Play Mad Libs
The OR Game
STOP!! (Answer these 3 questions…)
Riddles in the Dark–Try not to cheat!
Test your geekdom - an online geek test
I want everyone to look at this - an online IQ Test thread
What are you playing (other than video games)?
Announcing: OT.Com Online Chess Tournament - a 2006 thread
How about a game of chess?
How about a game of Japanese Chess, i.e. Shogi? Now playing Shogi4
Who’d like to try a chess variant? Now playing Xiang Qi, a.k.a. Chinese chess
Nimmar (Four-player Chess) NOW NO LONGER JUST FOR FRINK OLIE! IF YOU’RE INTERESTED IN PLAYING, PLEASE EXPRESS YOUR INTEREST AS FOUR PLAYERS ARE NEEDED TO PLAY!
Video Games That’s on your need to Play list.
must play games
Every Video Game You’ve Ever Played. EVAR. (And in order, too)
Video Games That You’ve Completed. Thread
Games you own but need to beat
Shameful video game confessions thread
Arcade Games - a 2007 thread
Do you play M.A.M.E?
Video Games with Nostalgic value - a 2010 tread
Games you want to see remade
Favorite Nintendo Game
star wars atari - more of an Atari thread - 2004
NES games that you haven’t beat
New PS2 - a 2004 thread
PS3 or Wii?
DS vs. PSP one year later
The Non-Biased PS3 Thread
Xbox 360 or PS3 - Which is better? - Advice…
PS4 and PSN
Best Video Game Icons
Most Underrated Console System
PC Gamers with Steam?
Game Sale News Thread
Violence in Video games a fad?
Violent Video Games
Final Fantasy - a 2004 thread
Metroid PRIME Two…
GoldenEye 007 Wii-make (NOW “RELOADED” for 360 and PS3)
The Legend of Zelda - a 2014 thread
The Legend Of Zelda - a 2004 thread
Street Fighter vs Mortal Kombat
MORTAL KOMBAT!!! : The history of Mortal Kombat arcade documentary
Lego Video Games Ranked. Best To Worst
BioShock!!! (1, 2 and Infinite and SPOILERS)
Minecraft, and Minecraft Story Mode
John Marstons Redemption (Red Dead Redemption)
There is a list of Star Wars game threads in the ‘General Star Wars Discussion’ Index, here - link
Technology (Televisions, Computers… etc) - a general technology discussion thread
a News thread for all things Technology & Internet related… - a general IT news thread
What’s in your Google search bar right…NOW!!!
PLUG YOUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL/VIDEOS!!!
What is your preferred browser? For Mobile; for Desktop? Why?
What’s your current desktop background?
Speedtest.net Easy way to test your internet speed.(Please read 1st post)
What the hell is this thing?
Blog software preferences, if you have any
Myspace - a 2006 thread
Is there a computer doctor in the house?
Is a six year old laptop worth fixing?
Need Help With My New Laptop!!!
Windows Vista - don’t worry, it’s a thread from 2007…
Windows 7 - time to worry, support stops in 2020 😉
Windows 8 - someone got paid for this?
Windows 10 Update Rollout
Are you a PC, Mac, or Linux user? What version and why
MAC or PC
FUEL TO THE MAC vs. PC FIRE - a 2006 thread
I don’t like Apple
iPad? - a 2010 thread
Mega Pro Plans
Anyone here know anything about smart phones? (was: Anyone here know anything about cell phones?)
Phones and Other Electronics
Portable media players
HD Media Player
What Brand Blu ray player should I get?
Good headphones suggestions?
How are you planning for the Oppocalypse?
HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray - a 2004 thread
Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD? - a 2007 thread
does display type matter ?
How to Calibrate your T.V.(Please read the first post)
Can anyone explain this video?
Last updated - 17th April, 2019.
Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here?
And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?