Its just freaking ugly. And McDirmand has forgotten how to play his character's role.
Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your FatherQuote
Originally posted by: Jedikev
shut up Greencapt, as a member of FIGS it is my right to destroy you with that remark.
You are clearly an arsehole, Jedikev
Originally posted by: HotRod
So in Sith, he was nothing like the Emperor from Jedi!!???
Originally posted by: Cyberdave
Also in the closing scene of Sith where both Darth's are looking out at the Death Star, you can see a figure that looks like Grand Moff Tarkin (Peter Cushing) by the window. I think it's a cgi bit though since Cushing is dead.
Glad you’re around to tell us these things. Chewie, take the professor out back and beat the shit out of him.
Originally posted by: greencapt
I get a knot in my stomach whenever I see those two images together. Seriously. Same actor or not, its like someone is sticking a hot poker into my memories and saying "f** you! f** you!!!!". Not even getting into dialogue changes, but it NEVER bothered me at any age that the image of the Emperor changed between films. NEVER.
Originally posted by: TheSessler
FYI it was this guy, Wayne Pygram of Farscape fame
Just returning to the original topic a mere 14 years later!
I have often wondered why Irvin Kershner/George Lucas (or the casting team) cast a woman in the role of the emperor in 1980 for ESB. It’s hard to tell admittedly, due to the dim lighting, the flickering hologram and also the superimposed chimp eyes. But it still seems a strange decision. The character is clearly supposed to be male: he is referred to as the “emperor” rather than “empress”, and Clive Revill’s voice is unambiguously male. Why then cast an elderly woman instead of an elderly man?
If this has ever been discussed in an interview or documentary, I’d be grateful for the details just to satisfy my curiosity. I can’t find any discussion of it in this forum.
This explains it a little bit. Someone in the thread assumes - and I agree - that maybe it wasn’t planned that the Emperor would have such a big role in ROTJ since the 9-film saga was still being bandied about at this point.
I’m also probably in the minority in that I prefer the original. Clive Revill sounds like an evil Obi Wan - potentially someone who could lure you to the Dark Side with gentle (yet sinister) persuasion rather than just goading you into permanently losing your temper.
Thanks for sharing that link. There’s some great information there, particularly concerning the true identity of the actress in question. As for why a woman was cast in the role, one of the posters in that forum conjectures:
“It is interesting that they chose a woman for the role originally. I guess they really wanted the Emperor to appear weak and vulnerable by using a slender old lady.”
Perhaps… But I’m not convinced. A slender, old man could have been cast if the only criterion was to make the emperor seem weak and vulnerable. I suspect there is another reason why they chose a woman, and am still curious about it after all this time.
They may have been going for an exotic alien feel to the ESB emperor, similar to how actresses were cast as the Talosians in the first Star Trek pilot. They too were dubbed by male voices.
Where were you in '77?
Thank you, SilverWook - that sounds a very plausible explanation and I’ll take it!
Not being a Trekkie in the slightest, I have never heard of these Talosions. According to Wikipedia, the pilot episode wasn’t aired back in 1965 but much of the footage was used for a two-part story in 1967 including this alien race. It may well have been an influencing factor for the casting of Marjorie Eaton.
And Gene Roddenberry frequently showed his black-&-white print of The Cage on the Trek convention circuit back in the 70s.
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”