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JJ said during a Beyond promo that Justin Lin convinced the studio to make the lawsuit “go away”. But the trial is still on for next year. No one still really knows anything.
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Eh, I figured things wouldn’t be resolved so neat or tidily.
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Official rules for ST fan films : http://www.startrek.com/fan-films
Short summary - they claim fair use doesn’t exist. The fan production can consist of max 2 <15 min long videos. No involvement of people previously involved with any Trek productions. You can not ask for more than 50000 in your crowdfunding. No youtube ads.
CBS, please fuck off.
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This is absolutely their right.
I like how targeted some of it is (no one involved with the “production of DVDs” is obviously there to knock out Robert Meyer Burnett).
Their arrogance of some of the major fan films has been the downfall of all. Axanar’s page is already filling with people saying how they’re not going to support any official production because of this. Which is exactly what the fan films should NOT be encouraging, since it basically proves that their productions are causing a loss of income to the copyright holders.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/russia-aims-to-develop-teleportation-in-20-years/
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/russia-aims-to-develop-teleportation-in-20-years/
I hope they make sure the teleporter is free of any flies.
“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison
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This is absolutely their right.
No, not at all.
The content in the fan production must be original, not reproductions, recreations or clips from any Star Trek production. If non-Star Trek third party content is used, all necessary permissions for any third party content should be obtained in writing.
Did they ever heard about things like de minimis or fair use?
If the fan production uses commercially-available Star Trek uniforms, accessories, toys and props, these items must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations of such commercially available products.
They have no legal right to request that.
The fan production must be a real “fan” production, i.e., creators, actors and all other participants must be amateurs, cannot be compensated for their services, and cannot be currently or previously employed on any Star Trek series, films, production of DVDs or with any of CBS or Paramount Pictures’ licensees. -
They have no right to request that. They have no right to prevent people associated with previous Trek productions (unless they had it in their contracts)
CBS and Paramount Pictures do not object to limited fundraising for the creation of a fan production, whether 1 or 2 segments and consistent with these guidelines, so long as the total amount does not exceed $50,000, including all platform fees, and when the $50,000 goal is reached, all fundraising must cease. -
Again, which legislation act allows them to request something like this?
No unlicensed Star Trek-related or fan production-related merchandise or services can be offered for sale or given away as premiums, perks or rewards or in connection with the fan production fundraising.
Again, who gives them the right to request something like that? Sure people can not sell Star Trek items or their illegal copies, but “fan production-related merchandise or services”??? They don’t own that!
The fan production cannot derive revenue by selling or licensing fan-created production sets, props or costumes.
The same as above. If I create something I am the owner and I can sell it. UNless it looks like something that Paramount / CBS owns they have no right to prohibit it.
The fan production must be family friendly and suitable for public presentation. Videos must not include profanity, nudity, obscenity, pornography, depictions of drugs, alcohol, tobacco, or any harmful or illegal activity, or any material that is offensive, fraudulent, defamatory, libelous, disparaging, sexually explicit, threatening, hateful, or any other inappropriate content.
I hate to repeat myself, but they have no right to request this. Did they ever hear about free speech? People are allowed to do parodies, even porn spoofs.
Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely DO understand WHY are they doing this, but I hope that somebody rich enough with a team of great lawyers will “consult” this with CBS/Paramount.
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This is absolutely their right.
I like how targeted some of it is (no one involved with the “production of DVDs” is obviously there to knock out Robert Meyer Burnett).
Their arrogance of some of the major fan films has been the downfall of all. Axanar’s page is already filling with people saying how they’re not going to support any official production because of this. Which is exactly what the fan films should NOT be encouraging, since it basically proves that their productions are causing a loss of income to the copyright holders.
Then they should retroactively sue every Trek fan film made since the 70’s.
Most of the people buying a ticket to the next film have never even heard of these fan productions. These rules are going to have a chilling effect, if not kill fan films off entirely. What a wonderful way to celebrate the 50th anniversary, treating the fans like criminals.
The lawyers will probably start looking at fan edits next.
Where were you in '77?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/russia-aims-to-develop-teleportation-in-20-years/
I hope they make sure the teleporter is free of any flies.
No Flies? He isn’t wearing trousers at all.
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Productions can only be 15 minutes long, with a max of two videos? What kind of bullcrap is this.
This will effectively kill Star Trek Continues and the Trek fanfilm community at large.
Continues has:
- Professionals that previously worked on the series behind and in front of the screen
- Authentic reproductions of costumes and props
- Average runtime of 50 minutes an episode
I was kind of hopeful for Beyond but now I hope it crashes and burns. Same for their upcoming idiotic subscription scheme series.
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The people making Beyond have nothing to do with this decision. Blame the suits, (and their lawyers) not the creative folks who seem to have worked pretty hard to make a better movie than Into Darkness.
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I blame copyright laws in general. All copyrighted material should fall into the public domain after thirty years – no copyright extensions, no copyright renewels, and no selling copyrights to dummy companies to work around the lack of extensions and renewels.
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I disagree but I don’t care enough to write why.
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But you care enough to let us know you disagree.
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“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison
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But you care enough to let us know you disagree.
yes
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But you care enough to let us know you disagree.
yes
“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison
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I disagree but I don’t care enough to write why.
I’d put my foot in your ass, but I don’t care enough to describe how.
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Bloody lawyers. They had a real opportunity here to embrace fan creations and get a two-way relationship going. But they obviously decided that the “we make, you buy, we make again, you buy again” model was the way to go.
No matter how many fan films or edits or YouTube compilation videos are out there it’s never going to stop fans seeking out, and purchasing, the official versions. The more people are talking about something, original or not, the better for the brand it is.
The people who make knock-offs or try to make a profit selling fan creations aren’t going to stop because they have no compunction about breaking the rules to start with.
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Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:
Bloody lawyers. They had a real opportunity here to embrace fan creations and get a two-way relationship going.
Hot.
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Interesting the paths Paramount and Lucasfilm have taken over the years. Fox was lawsuit happy in the early days, and even wanted to sue over Hardware Wars, but Lucas talked them out of it. The only parody Lucasfilm ever sued over was a badly animated adult movie called Star Ballz.
Paramount went after the people who made their own props (including those who once helped Roddenberry with creating new props for Phase II) and such items have seldom been sold openly at cons ever since. Lucasfilm has only gone after the original prop makers of the Stormtrooper armor, who were selling items made from their original molds.
So far, Lucasfilm has retained it’s “live and let live” policy with the fans since being bought by the mouse.
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I’m still pissed at Paramount but now I’m curious. They just put out a third trailer. Is…that an NX-class vessel at the end?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/russia-aims-to-develop-teleportation-in-20-years/
I can’t wait to hear Alex Jones’ commentary on this.
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I’m still pissed at Paramount but now I’m curious. They just put out a third trailer. Is…that an NX-class vessel at the end?
Yeah, apparently the crew finds an old NX-era ship. Even though the NX exists on screen (as a model in STID), the Kelvin Timeline somehow has a different model Warp 4 ship. This has some precedent, as the Archon in the comics has similar adjustments, and it was supposed to be an NX-era ship too.
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