Anyone who thinks Geordi gets tortured an unfair amount doesn't know about O'Brien Must Suffer. Good thing Colm Meaney really excelled at the role.
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Does any man in Star Trek get tied up as much as Mike Yates did in Doctor Who?
He really was the damsel in distress.
Bingowings said:
Does any man in Star Trek get tied up as much as Mike Yates did in Doctor Who?
He really was the damsel in distress.
Hey mang, Dis isn't da Doctor Who tred ...... ;)
Jetrell Fo said:
Bingowings said:
Does any man in Star Trek get tied up as much as Mike Yates did in Doctor Who?
He really was the damsel in distress.
Hey mang, Dis isn't da Doctor Who tred ...... ;)
I know dat. ah' wuz ax'in' some quesshun about Star Trek.
Bingowings said:
SilverWook said:
Is it just me, or does Geordi get captured and tortured a lot? Levar and Malcolm must have had some interesting conversations on the set...
The torture scene might have been a little too weird had they left it in, if you're familiar with Levar's other iconic tv role...
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Holy! How did I miss that episode? Between that and Harvey/Scorpious' farewell in Peacekeeper Wars, somebody was a Kubrick fan. :)
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bkev said:
Anyone who thinks Geordi gets tortured an unfair amount doesn't know about O'Brien Must Suffer. Good thing Colm Meaney really excelled at the role.
I'm well aware they made O'Brien's life miserable about twice a season.
But you don't see anybody else on the Enterprise D get abused as much as Geordi. It would be too contrived to do it to Picard more than once, (Jean Luc going on a secret mission was a stretch to begin with) Worf would enjoy it too much, and ditto some fans if they stuffed Wesley in an agonizer booth. ;)
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SilverWook said:
Bingowings said:
SilverWook said:
Is it just me, or does Geordi get captured and tortured a lot? Levar and Malcolm must have had some interesting conversations on the set...
The torture scene might have been a little too weird had they left it in, if you're familiar with Levar's other iconic tv role...
Farscape wins (this isn't even the worst bit):
Holy! How did I miss that episode? Between that and Harvey/Scorpious' farewell in Peacekeeper Wars, somebody was a Kubrick fan. :)
I'm sure there are more :
Bingowings said:
Jetrell Fo said:
Bingowings said:
Does any man in Star Trek get tied up as much as Mike Yates did in Doctor Who?
He really was the damsel in distress.
Hey mang, Dis isn't da Doctor Who tred ...... ;)
I know dat. ah' wuz ax'in' some quesshun about Star Trek.
Yuze gots ta leaves dat doctor at da door ifn you gonna come in dis tred.
SilverWook said:
Bingowings said:
SilverWook said:
what episode is that from?
Warbler said:
SilverWook said:
Bingowings said:
SilverWook said:
what episode is that from?
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Mind%27s_Eye_%28episode%29
Coincidentally, I think it was also the first time they did something awful to O'Brien. Sort of...
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SilverWook said:
I'm well aware they made O'Brien's life miserable about twice a season.
Does that count all the times his boring wife showed up? ;-)
DuracellEnergizer said:
SilverWook said:
I'm well aware they made O'Brien's life miserable about twice a season.
Does that count all the times his boring wife showed up? ;-)
Ouch. I wonder if her first marriage when she was marooned on Earth in the early 1950's ever came up? ;)
Where were you in '77?
My local community college just approved my course on 'Ethics and Star Trek'.
The class is basically this: Every Thursday night, we watch an episode of Star Trek, then we talk about how that episode featured a terrible justification for the Prime Directive.
Fascinating!
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Sadako said:
The class is basically this: Every Thursday night, we watch an episode of Star Trek, then we talk about how that episode featured a terrible justification for the Prime Directive.
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I want to be you. And yes, let us know the episodes, I'm sure we could help justify/ignore the PD!Sadako said:
My local community college just approved my course on 'Ethics and Star Trek'.
The class is basically this: Every Thursday night, we watch an episode of Star Trek, then we talk about how that episode featured a terrible justification for the Prime Directive.
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Sadako said:
My local community college just approved my course on 'Ethics and Star Trek'.
The class is basically this: Every Thursday night, we watch an episode of Star Trek, then we talk about how that episode featured a terrible justification for the Prime Directive.
You'd find more and better examples in TNG than you would in TOS*.
*I'm assuming that by Star Trek, you're referring to the original series alone and none of its spinoffs.
TNG is basically soap storyline A bolted to techno-babble storyline B.
When you do get an ethics based storyline it's a real novelty and usually rather tedious.
Blake's 7 and Farscape however do that sort of thing in a much more nuanced and satisfying way.
However as a piece of entry level philosophy this is actually a good read.
I included episodes from all 5 series, though I'm a die-hard TNG fan. It was a bit difficult, since episodes which ask interesting questions are rather unusual (and far outnumbered by 'What if they got stuck on the Holodeck again?'-type episodes, which are admittedly fun but don't really fit the angle I was trying to sell the class on). And sometimes, it was a bit of a stretch, but this class is mostly an excuse to watch Star Trek every week anyway, so I'm not beating myself up too much over whether or not Space Seed is actually a good counterpart to the questions raised in Duet. But at the beginning of each class, I'll put the class to a vote to see which of the two episodes we'll watch--and then I'll cross my fingers and hope they choose the better of the two.
Here's the episode list and the themes I was stretching to the point of breaking to get them on the episode list. I freely admit that I just picked some of my favorite episodes from all five series and then tried to pair them up with similar episodes:
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1. Do 'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few'? In these episodes, captains must decide if it is worth it to kill one to save millions. TOS 01x29 The City on the Edge of Forever/TNG 03x26 The Best of Both Worlds |
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2. Where does personhood lie? In these episodes, captains must deal with the ethics surrounding personhood. VOY 02x24 Tuvix/ENT 03x10 Similitude (Bonus: TNG 02x09 Measure of a Man touches on similar themes regarding Data and personhood rather than cloning and personhood, and doesn't put the captain in the position of executioner, so everyone goes home happy.) |
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3. Is The Prime Directive a good thing? In these episodes, captains must wrestle with Starfleet Directive #1: Starfleet may not interfere in the social order of any planet. TNG 03x04 Who Watches the Watchers/ENT 01x13 Dear Doctor (Bonus: The opening segment of Star Trek Into Darkness deals directly with the question of the Prime Directive, and more to the point, it emphasizes the gravity that the Federation and Starfleet gives to it's Directive #1 by actually punishing someone for violating it.) |
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4. What responsibility does society have to war criminals? In these episodes, crews must deal with heinous figures from past wars. TOS 01x23 Space Seed/DS9 01x19 Duet |
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5. Is victory worth it if you must sacrifice all that your side stands for? In these episodes, captains must wrestle with the problem of personal integrity in times of war. DS9 06x19 In the Pale Moonlight/ENT 03x14 Stratagem |
The other requirement for episodes was 'All of the options that I give them have to be episodes I'm okay with watching for the umpteenth time', so you'll notice the lack of Wesley Crusher-centric episodes. (And yes, that was me admitting that I kinda-sorta like Enterprise.)
Very good stuff here! I love any excuse to watch Star Trek, gracious knows I have enough already.
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My brother once took a class on Alfred Hitchcock movies where they would watch the film, then analyze the symbolism and messages of his films. I was in high school at the time, but I visited my brother (who was attending a ways away from home) and attended a class with him. I thought it was brilliant. This Star Trek thing would be even more fun! I love Star Trek! And I'm with you Sadako, TNG is my fave.
ah... "Dear Doctor." The perfect mix of Imperialist Racism and complete nonsense science. Damn you to hell "Enterprise."
Yup. Should provide plenty of 'WTF' discussion!
I'm so very glad I've never watched Voyager or Enterprise.
Yeah, I remember when Voyager first came on air. I was in, like, kindergarten, and I was really excited to see a woman in the big chair...but I still wanted to be Data when I grew up. (Now that I'm older, I feel physical pain when I watch Janeway's command style.)
Enterprise is a guilty pleasure half the time. The other half of the time, I think it's punishing me for enjoying any part of it.
