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Just finished watching Trek IV after many years.  Still a fun movie.  I think I used to like it better though.  My feelings on Trek are kind of fluid lately, and I'm enjoying the older stuff better than I used to.  III, while far inferior in effects, has really grown on me, and II is still fantastic.  Together, II, III, and IV are a wonderfully well-knit trilogy.  But I think I like them in that order now as well.

Just finished reading Best Destiny.  It gives us an idea of Jim Kirk as a kid, interacting with his father George and Capt. Robert April, first captain of the Enterprise.  I feel the book was really good, but there were two problems for me.  1) the ending is rather weak compared to the excitement of the middle, when young Jimmy and several Starfleet officers aboard a small scientific vessel are attacked by pirates and have to still come off as victors in the end.  The ending, immediately post-Undiscovered Country, where we see how the events of the book have affected old Jim, are rather anti-climactic.  2) Young Jerk, I mean Jimmy Kirk, while an interesting character, is not the same as old Jim Kirk.  That's the point of the book, as the events of the little miscreant's life in the book shape his character drastically and alter his nature so he becomes a much better person.  Still, I have a very hard time believing that it's the same person, and that he had so completely changed by this little misadventure.  Still, it was a fun read.  I can recommend it.

Next book: Federation, where Kirk and Picard met before they got stuck in the Nexus.

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Why use a word that is known to offend in its most common usage?  Other words work better because they have no negative connotations, but still get the point across easily.

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Gaffer Tape said:

 "In order to solve the problem, we must bombard it with microwaves," only for someone to chime in, "Why do you want to throw that black box in the kitchen at it?"

Too Late! (most of these are white there are only a few blacks in this kitchen).

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Sigh, because, and I hate to have to say this, as far as I see it, none of those words are meant to offend, even when they are used to describe the subjects you speak of.  "Mentally retarded," used in that fashion, for example, is a fairly recent invention, and was created to be a more sensitive, politically correct way of referring to people with mental handicaps.  An existing word, "retard," was used specifically because of its neutrality.  And it was chosen to replace its predecessors, such as moron and idiot, which were also originally chosen as clinical terms, because they had passed through the vernacular and picked up to be used as insults.  But as far as I see it, there is no way for that not to happen.  Yeah, "retarded" is now being seen as a derogatory term, precisely the opposite of what it was meant to be.  So it will be replaced with a new, even more sensitive word... which, in a few generations' time, will also be seen as incredibly insensitive and will be replaced and so on and so forth because it describes an unenviable position in which to be in life.

So bring me an example of someone using those terms to hurt other people, and I'll be right behind you saying that's insensitive and cruel.  But it makes me more than a little worried that we've become so fearful that anything that even sounds like something that can be used to be offensive should be encouraged to be banned from use.  Insert your own slippery slope argument here, but that's terrifyingly intolerant to me.  I'm terrified of this burgeoning world that looks more at the potential for incriminating word choice over actual context.  It reminds me of that hullabaloo from a few years ago over the word "niggardly" because it just happens to sound like a really bad word.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Not that crazy about the art style, but I love the idea of a group photo...

Where were you in '77?

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That is an awesome idea.  Personally, though, I would have put O'Brien with the DS9 cast instead of the TNG cast, but maybe that's just me.

EDIT:  Also, they included Leslie from TOS but skipped over Wesley Crusher entirely?  That's just cold.  And they have Ilia but not Decker?  And no Ezri Dax either?  Harumph.  I smell favoritism.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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How could you possibly think excluding Wesley is a bad thing?

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Yeah, those are curious omissions.

As for Ilia, she's depicted in her Phase II uniform, the TOS sequel series that almost was.

Which begs the question of where the heck is Lt. Xon? ;)

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For those interested, there is a website called workprints dot biz.  There they have a workprint of the film Generations.

And another interesting find: the TrekCore channel on YouTube has deleted scenes from TNG and other series.

http://www.youtube.com/trekcorevideo

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The deleted scenes from TNG are coming from workprint tapes, which can be found on patchou's cabana. The workprint of Generations can be found on various torrent sites

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Why anyone would want to watch the workprint for a piece of garbage like Generations is a mystery to me.

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The extended destruction of the Enterprise is actually pretty good. The only good part of the movie unfortunately.

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What went through my mind the first time I saw Q in his judges robes. Some of you may be too young to get the reference. ;)

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Is anybody Surprised trek 13 is well into development at Paramount and Orci and Kurtzmen are back as the writers.  Some peoples hopes for their firing have been dashed, oh well.

Rumors suggest the director is the Rupert Wyatt who directed rise of the planet of the apes.  And we will have a 2016 release date.

 

I hope this time its not a space revenge movie.  A ripoff of star wars or the wrath of khan. I don't want any more nods to nostalgia or retreads of classic episodes or movies.  Something new and fresh would be nice.  But not likely.

Its like every superman movie having to either be about Zod or Lex luthor.

 Generations is horrible it would have played fine as a tv episode, but it is neither a classic tos cast movie or TNG movie.  It also gave STID the idea of killing Kirk.  The way they killed off Kirk was stupid.  The way he is buried is also laughably bad.   Lets just leave his body on Veridian III covered with rocks. 

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Rumors suggest the director is the Rupert Wyatt who directed rise of the planet of the apes.  And we will have a 2016 release date.

I hope this time its not a space revenge movie.  A ripoff of star wars or the wrath of khan. I don't want any more nods to nostalgia or retreads of classic episodes or movies.  Something new and fresh would be nice.  But not likely.


It could be all that and more, and I still won't bother to watch it. Bizarro Trek is a pool that has been pissed in to the point where the water's become opaque with yellow, and all the chlorine in the world isn't going to get it clean enough to convince me to dip even a single toe in.

I'm just going to wait until Trek gets another reboot, whenever that'll be. Hopefully by then, we'll get something that isn't mindless bullshit.

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The problem with "JJ Trek" is that the movies are great action movies. But they are horrible Star Trek movies

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skyjedi2005 said:

Is anybody Surprised trek 13 is well into development at Paramount and Orci and Kurtzmen are back as the writers.  Some peoples hopes for their firing have been dashed, oh well.

Rumors suggest the director is the Rupert Wyatt who directed rise of the planet of the apes.  And we will have a 2016 release date.

 

I hope this time its not a space revenge movie.  A ripoff of star wars or the wrath of khan. I don't want any more nods to nostalgia or retreads of classic episodes or movies.  Something new and fresh would be nice.  But not likely.

Its like every superman movie having to either be about Zod or Lex luthor.

 Generations is horrible it would have played fine as a tv episode, but it is neither a classic tos cast movie or TNG movie.  It also gave STID the idea of killing Kirk.  The way they killed off Kirk was stupid.  The way he is buried is also laughably bad.   Lets just leave his body on Veridian III covered with rocks. 

It made his body easier to be found by the Borg though. ;)

Three years is a bit long to wait for another Trek movie these days. Four years for STID was way too much. They can only cheat the ages of the actors for so long.

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Clearly they will want something out in 2016 - the 50th Anniversary of the franchise.

We're had two films in the JJ-Verse, may as well round it off into a trilogy and then do something fresh. [He's still producing iirc]

Would people actually watch a new Star Trek television series at this point or should it be put on the back burner for a while?