All Things Star Trek — Page 103

Author: SilverWook
Time: 8-Aug-2016 2:33 AM
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It’s an agenda to show being gay isn’t a big deal in the 23rd century? I’m sure someone back in the 60’s thought Trek was pushing an agenda having a black woman bridge officer too.

And let’s not even get into interspecies marriage. That pesky Sarek had Earth Girl Fever! 😉

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Author: DominicCobb
Time: 8-Aug-2016 12:45 PM (Edited)
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TV’s Frink said:

Well sure, but couldn’t they have found someone who had nothing to do with the Fast and Furious franchise?

It’s obvious you’ve never seen any of those films. They’re not what you assume (or even what they used to be). They know exactly what they are and Lin does a pretty awesome job at making them as fun as possible.

Lin’s Trek is no more a big dumb action movie than JJ’s (if anything less so). I sort of miss JJ’s super stylized take but I couldn’t complain much about Lin’s even handed direction. My main problem with the film is that it feels somewhat inconsequential which of course is a lot due to the director but it seems strange to me to hate the film because of him. It’s still a lot of fun.

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Author: TV's Frink
Time: 8-Aug-2016 12:49 PM
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DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

Well sure, but couldn’t they have found someone who had nothing to do with the Fast and Furious franchise?

It’s obvious you’ve never seen any of those films. They’re not what you assume (or even what they used to be). They know exactly what they are and Lin does a pretty awesome job at making them as fun as possible.

You are right, in fact I’ve never seen a minute of any F&F movie, as I have no interest. What I should be saying is the action in Beyond reminds me of what I imagine the action is in those movies, all quick cuts, shaky-cam, confused geography, etc.

Author: doubleofive
Time: 8-Aug-2016 12:52 PM
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To be fair, the hand-to-hand stuff is pretty shaky cam, but I didn’t let that get in the way of my enjoyment of the film.

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Author: DominicCobb
Time: 8-Aug-2016 1:11 PM
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TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

Well sure, but couldn’t they have found someone who had nothing to do with the Fast and Furious franchise?

It’s obvious you’ve never seen any of those films. They’re not what you assume (or even what they used to be). They know exactly what they are and Lin does a pretty awesome job at making them as fun as possible.

You are right, in fact I’ve never seen a minute of any F&F movie, as I have no interest. What I should be saying is the action in Beyond reminds me of what I imagine the action is in those movies, all quick cuts, shaky-cam, confused geography, etc.

As much as I love JJ, this is essentially how the action played out in his Trek films. Lin is not much different in that regard (and honestly his FF movies are some of the more competently staged action pics in recent years, believe it or not).

Author: TV's Frink
Time: 8-Aug-2016 1:19 PM
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I watched STID one week prior to Beyond and did not have the same reaction. And FWIW, I had no idea who the director was until after I saw Beyond, so it certainly wasn’t a preconceived notion.

Don’t know what else to say.

Author: DominicCobb
Time: 8-Aug-2016 1:32 PM
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TV’s Frink said:

I watched STID one week prior to Beyond and did not have the same reaction. And FWIW, I had no idea who the director was until after I saw Beyond, so it certainly wasn’t a preconceived notion.

Don’t know what else to say.

I definitely respect your reactions. JJ’s most impressive skill is his ability to keep a film engaging and moving forward. So I can understand how it might be easy to go with it and miss such things. But the action stuff in that film is very much shot shaky-cam and done with quick cuts and little mind for geography.

Author: TV's Frink
Time: 8-Aug-2016 1:52 PM
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It is certainly possible that I was engaged enough during JJ’s films that I gave the action a pass, whereas with Beyond it wasn’t the case for me.

Author: SilverWook
Time: 8-Aug-2016 6:48 PM
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With Chekov not being recast out of respect for Anton Yelchin, I wouldn’t mind Jayla coming back in the next movie. With the time that passes between films, she could be out of Starfleet academy by then.

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Author: DominicCobb
Time: 8-Aug-2016 7:05 PM
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It’d be nice to add another female to the crew (and alien for that matter). It is sort of surprising how they didn’t do much to fix the gender imbalance in the new crew (even though they obviously noticed it what with Uhura’s beefed up roles). Definitely not saying they should have changed the gender of any characters or added heaps of new ones but I don’t see why they couldn’t have fit in spots for Chapel or Rand or a Marcus that wasn’t shit (or maybe even some one-off females from the show).

Author: SilverWook
Time: 8-Aug-2016 7:49 PM (Edited)
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Has Rand even been mentioned in the new movies? I know Chapel was.

I presume that Marcus got knocked up, and left in the three years between STID and Beyond to start working on Genesis. 😉

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Author: suspiciouscoffee
Time: 8-Aug-2016 7:58 PM
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Considering how quickly people rise through the ranks at Kelvin Starfleet, Jaylah taking over for Chekov could be pretty cool.

Author: Tobar
Time: 8-Aug-2016 8:03 PM
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I still miss the Chapel-Spock aspect. The whole Uhura-Spock thing just doesn’t really work.

Rand has appeared in the comic series but has yet to appear in the films. They could always reintroduce M’Ress and shift her to duties to navigation. =P

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Author: SilverWook
Time: 8-Aug-2016 8:08 PM
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She might make a good security chief?

I’ve been wondering where Lt. Cupcake was in this movie. Turns out he ended up on the cutting room floor again. 😦

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Author: suspiciouscoffee
Time: 8-Aug-2016 8:09 PM
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I don’t like Uhura/Spock either, but I’m glad it didn’t totally sidetrack Beyond like the previous 2. Also, if they split in the future films, it’d almost definitely sidetrack the film because Spock in these films gets emotional far more easily than the original. IMO, breaking them up would be worse than keeping them together.

Author: SilverWook
Time: 8-Aug-2016 8:13 PM (Edited)
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Tobar said:

I still miss the Chapel-Spock aspect. The whole Uhura-Spock thing just doesn’t really work.

Rand has appeared in the comic series but has yet to appear in the films. They could always reintroduce M’Ress and shift her to duties to navigation. =P

Or also bring in Mr. Arex who filled in for Chekov in TAS? 😉

As Uhura flirted with Spock in The Man Trap, it’s not like they pulled that out of a hat. Some tension with Chapel would have been interesting though.

I did like the all too brief glimpses of shipboard romances going good and sour in Beyond.

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Author: DominicCobb
Time: 8-Aug-2016 8:27 PM
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SilverWook said:

If Chris Hemworth wasn’t famous now, would they even be considering this idea?

Hopefully yes. Star Trek remains Hemsworth’s best performance and that opening scene still continues to affect Jim’s character in each film. Excited to see how this plays out.

I wonder who’ll direct if Lin isn’t back. I was kinda hoping this past one would be given to Edgar Wright but I imagine he wants to do his own stuff (I’m sure they asked).

Author: Tobar
Time: 8-Aug-2016 8:29 PM (Edited)
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Speaking of Arex, I wasn’t aware that one of the fan productions had fully realized him in live action:

I’ll have to look into this…

Edit: Here he is in action. Pretty ambitious effects work for a fan production.

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Author: SilverWook
Time: 10-Aug-2016 9:34 PM
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New details on Discovery. Set 10 years before TOS!
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/star-trek-discovery-gay-character-cbs-all-access-1201835052/

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Author: suspiciouscoffee
Time: 10-Aug-2016 9:53 PM
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Perhaps the Discovery could run into the Farragut 😉

Author: DuracellEnergizer
Time: 10-Aug-2016 9:55 PM (Edited)
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Note to past self: Avoid reading the comments section on the other side of that link. All two comments are asinine and not worth setting eyes upon.

Author: Possessed
Time: 10-Aug-2016 11:26 PM
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They’re both Neglify

Author: Neglify
Time: 10-Aug-2016 11:39 PM
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I am every troll.

Don’t do drugs, unless you’re with me.

Author: SilverWook
Time: 11-Aug-2016 12:11 AM (Edited)
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I don’t know why some sites even have a comment section, as someone inevitably whizzes in the pool usually in the first three responses. CNN finally got rid of theirs.

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Author: joefavs
Time: 11-Aug-2016 12:58 AM (Edited)
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DominicCobb said:

Star Trek

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

Star Trek Beyond

Star Trek Into Darkness

Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

Star Trek: First Contact

Star Trek: The Motion Picture

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

Star Trek: Nemesis

Star Trek: Generations

Star Trek: Insurrection

Are we doing this?!

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
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Star Trek III: The Seach for Spock, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, and Star Trek Beyond, not so much tied, but rather constantly changing position in my opinion
(I’m including 5 and 6 for the sake of formatting)
(because markdown)
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek Into Darkness
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

I have never seen a Next Gen movie, but I plan to get to them in due time (I started Next Gen a week or two ago and am only ten or eleven episodes in).