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It looks like the 9-movie UHD disc boxset is scheduled for March 31, 2020, so if anyone is beginning work on integrating these new versions into their projects, I would suggest a brief pause to get ahold of the better-compressed source.

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IMO it will take several months to have confidence we’ve identified all changes unique to the 19SE and come up with LUTs for a theatrical regrade. The UHD’s will be released at just around the time we’d be in any position to do anything useful with the 19SE, even if we work our asses off from now until then.

And this is all assuming the UHD’s do not contain even more changes. But since at this point Disney’s in charge of the content (and the timeline would be pretty much impossible anyway), I think the crazy revision train has finally stopped. The Maclunkey cuts are the final destination. Welcome to Travesty: Population 3.

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CatBus said:

IMO it will take several months to have confidence we’ve identified all changes unique to the 19SE and come up with LUTs for a theatrical regrade. The UHD’s will be released at just around the time we’d be in any position to do anything useful with the 19SE, even if we work our asses off from now until then.

And this is all assuming the UHD’s do not contain even more changes. But since at this point Disney’s in charge of the content (and the timeline would be pretty much impossible anyway), I think the crazy revision train has finally stopped. The Maclunkey cuts are the final destination. Welcome to Travesty: Population 3.

I’ve decided that the Maclunkey bit has one nice use. A frame of it can replace that single frame of the other Greedo that has always looked so out of place (if you actually notice it). Other than that I’m sticking with the Blu-ray cut (as the best of the SE cuts).

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yotsuya said:

CatBus said:

IMO it will take several months to have confidence we’ve identified all changes unique to the 19SE and come up with LUTs for a theatrical regrade. The UHD’s will be released at just around the time we’d be in any position to do anything useful with the 19SE, even if we work our asses off from now until then.

And this is all assuming the UHD’s do not contain even more changes. But since at this point Disney’s in charge of the content (and the timeline would be pretty much impossible anyway), I think the crazy revision train has finally stopped. The Maclunkey cuts are the final destination. Welcome to Travesty: Population 3.

I’ve decided that the Maclunkey bit has one nice use. A frame of it can replace that single frame of the other Greedo that has always looked so out of place (if you actually notice it). Other than that I’m sticking with the Blu-ray cut (as the best of the SE cuts).

Macluncky isn’t new footage though. It’s just the last shot of Greedo talking repeated and zoomed in.

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Doctorossi said:

I would suggest a brief pause to get ahold of the better-compressed source.

Actually this is pretty good timing as we will have LUTs ready and tested to correct the OT colors. Which will mean we can release corrected versions within days of the commercial release in 4k and hopefully in HDR.

Unless they change the color timing between now and then…

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Stotchy said:

Unless they change the color timing between now and then…

That’s the trick… I’m sure the source master is the same, but the streaming version might be mastered to a different gamma than the discs would be. Also, if the claims of the streaming versions featuring a “fake” blanket HDR pass are true, those may be placeholder HDR grades that differ from what will appear on disc.

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Anyone know why we haven’t seen 4K rips of Force Awakens and Rogue One yet?

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jm9760 said:

Anyone know why we haven’t seen 4K rips of Force Awakens and Rogue One yet?

No idea. Would love to get my hands on these.

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Does Chewbacca have a medal in A New Hope? I haven’t seen the movies yet on Disney+ as I am waiting for the service to launch here in Sweden.

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Avatar_Emil_Borg said:

Does Chewbacca have a medal in A New Hope? I haven’t seen the movies yet on Disney+ as I am waiting for the service to launch here in Sweden.

Nope ☹️

… I was actually hoping they would do this.

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Tried to watch this on Disney Plus the other day and wowsers, why is the image so dark? The only HDR thing that pops out is the white of the performers eyes, but I at least expected it to have a normal brightness. Just looks dirty and dark, appreciate this might tie in with it looking like it’s set during WW2. Used universe etc.
But it’s definitely not the way the films were originally made. Very disappointed.

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PressFireToPlay said:

Tried to watch this on Disney Plus the other day and wowsers, why is the image so dark? The only HDR thing that pops out is the white of the performers eyes, but I at least expected it to have a normal brightness. Just looks dirty and dark, appreciate this might tie in with it looking like it’s set during WW2. Used universe etc.
But it’s definitely not the way the films were originally made. Very disappointed.

As someone else pointed out to me, Disney currently streams the SDR grading if you play back the movies on a non HDR device (last year, they just streamed the HDR whether it worked for you or not).

The color and contrast really is quite nice for the specific SDR version (and the 1080p disc, it seems).

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Can’t agree with you there. The whole choice of colour grade in the Disney versions across streaming and discs is pretty terrible. “Dark and desaturated” was clearly the brief. Particularly in Empire and Jedi.

The silver lining is that unlike the 11SE, all the color information is there so with some tweaks it can really be improved.

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Stotchy said:

Can’t agree with you there. The whole choice of colour grade in the Disney versions across streaming and discs is pretty terrible. “Dark and desaturated” was clearly the brief. Particularly in Empire and Jedi.

The silver lining is that unlike the 11SE, all the color information is there so with some tweaks it can really be improved.

I’ve got the discs on hand now. They could be improved, no doubt (contrast, namely). Though I haven’t looked at Empire closely yet, and I suppose Jedi looks a bit desaturated. I’ve mostly examined and compared ANH, which looks decent color-wise, on the 1080p disc.

Of course, you’re right that the best purpose these will serve is as a source for future work. Nothing resembling the clipped magenta catastrophes.

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I think saturation and contrast isn’t really the issue for the 19SE. Overall the color grades are pretty cinematic. It’s the lack of color dynamics in the color grading, which make them look quite flat. Here’s a regraded frame from ANH:

There’s many more shades of red/orange/pink in natural skin tones, or even in the red panel in the back due to lighting effects. I don’t have the original D+ frame on hand right now, but the colors are all flat, and rather monotone, if you understand what I mean.

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I finally had a chance to properly check the new transfers out and I’d say the worst issue is the heavy dvnr. I’m surprised no one is complaining about it.

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Harmy said:

I finally had a chance to properly check the new transfers out and I’d say the worst issue is the heavy dvnr. I’m surprised no one is complaining about it.

Actually bluray.com gave Empire and Jedi a pretty bad review. Star Wars gets a 4/5, but Empire, and Jedi get a 3/5 for its heavy use of DNR, and frozen grain.

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Plenty of people on the Blu-ray.com forums are complaining about the DNR. These 4K masters were most likely prepped for 3D conversion instead of a naturally filmic 2D presentation.

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That’s exactly what they are. The 4K remasters all got finished in 2012, because they’d anticipated the Phantom Menace 3D re-release to do way better than it did, and these remasters were basically done SPECIFICALLY to be 3D converted later to build on the success of TPM.

And then Phantom Menace disappointed (again) and that was basically it. Lucas sold the company a little over six months later.

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Harmy said:

I finally had a chance to properly check the new transfers out and I’d say the worst issue is the heavy dvnr. I’m surprised no one is complaining about it.

Agreed, but I figured you’d fix that for us 😉

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“Maclunky”

I am fond with anything that’s got to do with Star Wars. But, I have particular interest in Red label soundtracks on CD for the OT and White label (Promo) soundtracks on Lp for the OT. I also interest in TPM home video releases.