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Gaffer Tape said:


Really?  Different Jennifer, Marty's hair is different, his voice is deeper, Doc's deliver in response to "assholes," the timing, the length of score, Biff's appearance (and makeup), the next-door neighbors' window, license plate on the truck.  There's a LOT different about those scenes. =P

OK, so I did notice the differences in the side-by-sides, but watching the movies, even in a row, I can't tell that Jennifer is a different actress. I guess its one of those "grew up with it, can't see the obvious" things.

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The first time I noticed the difference was when I was taping all three movies onto one tape, and 'spliced' 1 & 2 just after Marty opens the garage and sees the truck.

 

IT TOTALLY BLEW ERICA's MIND. ;)

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For your consideration Dr Grace Holloway :

Before the 1996 Doctor Who television movie there was an unwritten rule that the Doctor never got the horn of Nimon for any of his companions, the nearest things being A) getting engaged by accident when an Aztec Widow made William Hartnell a cup of cocoa and B)when Lalla Ward married Tom Baker for a bit before settling down with internationally famous God botherer/geneticist Dicky Dawkings.

Now it seems every bird that gets near his magic blue box want to fiddle with his sonic screwdriver.

Dr Grace herself was never seen again but what she started led to Rose Tyler played by Billie (because we want Who) Piper (not to be confused with Bonnie Tyler or indeed Bonnie Langford).

The BBC is now contractually obliged to slip a frame of Miss Tyler into every episode of Doctor Who whenever the Doctor is supposed to look a bit sad just to keep the shippers from turning over to the other side.

Let's hope that like her Welsh namesake she gets lost in France or ends up as Cinders in Spain (at the Barcelona Playhouse this Christmas season).

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HotRod said:

Here you go

 

Side by side of BTTF ending/beginning


http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2009/07/back_to_the_futures_finally_co.php

Oh, wow, that's awesome!  I love this!

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Davnes007 said:

IT TOTALLY BLEW ERICA's MIND. ;)

I think we need to stage an NNRRPB! intervention for Dav.

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Hayden Skywalker/Vader.  Destroyed a cinema icon of a villian that stood for more than thirty years and raped the childhoods of millions.

 

The New Kirk ruined star trek and captain kirk, whats his name pine or something.

Daniel Craig, ruined james bond.

 

Believe it or not Harrison Ford did more to ruin Indiana Jones than Shia.

 

Hugh jackman was horrible in wolverine origins, another part of my childhood ruined.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Daniel Craig, ruined james bond.

imho, it was already ruined by the time he came around.   It was ruined by Licensed To Kill, and has never recovered.   

skyjedi2005 said:

Believe it or not Harrison Ford did more to ruin Indiana Jones than Shia.

the person that ruined Indiana Jones was whatever idiot it was  that thought it was good idea to have Indie hide from an atomic blast in a fridge. 

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LTK isn't that bad, but it is way too late 80's action and Miami Vice influenced. After the long hiatus the Brosnan films had no lasting appeal to them. They were too weak for what the time demanded. GE and TWINE are the only ones with good story elements, but overall they lacked impact. You have to go back to The Living Daylights to see classic Bond elements.

Indy should never be in the 1950's. He exists as a 1930's escapist adventure. That damn fridge was the moment where you knew that this film was beyond any and all saving. It would have been better if Willie had just screamed continuously for two hours.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Hayden Skywalker/Vader.  Destroyed a cinema icon of a villian that stood for more than thirty years and raped the childhoods of millions.

You know, I was going to just make fun of the whole predictable post, but I'd like to highlight this one bit.  I'm sick to death of this phrase.  Comparing Hayden's performance in a MOVIE to rape is just idiotic, not to mention offensive.

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I always thought the "raped my childhood" was just OTT internetese to make a point; it seems some actually use it in earnest.

Yeesh.

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I understand it isn't used literally, but frankly, I'm a little sick of it.  I'm especially sick of hearing it from the same guy over and over,lol.

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Poochie.  He totally ruined a classic cartoon series.

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Don't get me wrong, I agree and never used it myself. It just surprises me that there's someone out there who uses it tongue-out-of-cheek.

It doesn't surprise me that it's skyjedi using it,lol.

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I don't like using the term myself or referring to Luca$.  The point isn't really clever anymore.  And really, does anyone still need to be convinced that Lucas hasn't totally sold out?  No.

 

Back on topic:

It is easy to point to characters that can ruin a series, but a bit tougher to find ones that add to the series.  Lando in the first post is a great example of this.  Would Boba Fett be considered in this vein?  Granted, he was totally thrown away in ROTJ, but as far as his appearance in Empire, he really made the franchise even cooler, for a while anyway.

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Hmm, as far as Lando goes, does he even consistently "add" to the series?  That's not to say I don't love Lando.  He certainly added a unique quality to ESB:  an ally you're not sure you can trust who does do what he thinks is right for the people he is responsible for but doesn't necessarily overlap with what's right for the heroes.  But does he really "add" anything to ROTJ?  Again, I love Lando's section of the film, but, like a lot of the other returning characters, he's basically given a good-guy thing to do and does it, so I can't say he really added anything in that one, any more than I can say Han really added anything to ROTJ.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Mark Hamill as the Joker.  I don't care if he never really acted him on screen, he is the Joker and it's a damn shame he's retiring after Arkham Asylum II.  Just the right amount of crazy, with a tiny bit of camp.  I don't think Batman The Animated Series would be quite as memorable without his portrayal.

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Sluggo said:

I don't like using the term myself or referring to Luca$.  The point isn't really clever anymore.  And really, does anyone still need to be convinced that Lucas hasn't totally sold out?  No.

Sold out to who? George Lucas is the single filmmaker in Hollywood who answers to absolutely no one.  

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Patrick Warburton gave a brief spark of life to the last season of Newsradio.

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Gaffer Tape said:

But does he really "add" anything to ROTJ? 

He adds his badass clapping skills. And a purple cape.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Hayden Skywalker/Vader.  Destroyed a cinema icon of a villian that stood for more than thirty years and raped the childhoods of millions.

 

The New Kirk ruined star trek and captain kirk, whats his name pine or something.

Daniel Craig, ruined james bond.

 

Believe it or not Harrison Ford did more to ruin Indiana Jones than Shia.

 

Hugh jackman was horrible in wolverine origins, another part of my childhood ruined.

Man, you really hate every Hollywood film made in the last 20 years, don't you :/

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Controversy be damned.

It wasn't his fault, he did a good job while doing it BUT (sharp intake of breath) Bela Lugosi as Dracula.

From then on in some aspect of Lugosi's performance (which is totally different from the book) has made it's way into almost every adaptation of the story.

In the book, Dracula hasn't got an accent (just a strange intonation), starts of old with a thick moustache and becomes younger as he drinks more blood, doesn't wear a cape (he only wears black), doesn't say, "I never drink...vine" and is never charming to the ladies.

Try and think of an adaptation of the story in the book (it doesn't matter how loose) since that hasn't got at least one trait introduced by Bela (other than Jesse Franco's).

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Alice from the crappy Resident Evil films.

Pretty much ended any chance of the films even resembling the games from the get go.

 

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General Gogol (featured in 6 Bond films) = Helped 
Sheba = Helped
Admiral Cartwright = Helped
Worf on DS9 = Helped

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Samuel L. Jackson's character in Die Hard with a Vengeance. Seriously wrecked what was already a relatively unimaginative sequel. His constant racism is so irritating, it's probably the single most influential factor that causes me to skip #3 and go straight to #4 anytime I watch the series.

With the Star Wars prequels, there are almost too many characters to count! Jar-Jar, lil' Ani, older Ani, Padme, Jango, Boba, Sidious, Grevious, Yoda...really the only enjoyable characters IMO were Qui-Gon (whose impressiveness seriously dissipates when you start analyzing his actions), Obi-Wan (who didn't totally suck and had some memorable scenes, but oftentimes comes off as bland) and Palpy in ep. 1-2 (but his absurd self-parodying performance in ep. 3 basically cancels out his earlier respectable portrayals entirely). Of course, the problems with these films transcend bad characterization...poor writing and direction is probably more of a train-wrecker than the bad characters.

Aaaaand, to depart briefly from the negativity, I'll cite Captain Sheridan in Babylon 5 as a character who really helped the franchise. While there was nothing really terribly bad per se about Commander Sinclair, he just wasn't as inspiring a character as Sheridan. To be honest, I've always felt like season 1 is really just an extended introduction to the real series, which begins with season 2.

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