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While I get what you're saying, take note that I did mention his human blood several times in my last post.  Just saying...

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I wasn't being overly serious, just saying there COULD be any number of reasons why that happened.

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heh, Spock from 10 minutes in the future or some such? I was under the impression that Nimoy was the time traveller. Although it could make sense for young spock to be zipping about ala that shot of him appearing on what appears to be Vulcan in the trailer.

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A very old Spock is the time traveller. I could go into spoiler territory here, so I'll shut up now!

And if what I read is correct, there's a pretty honest reason why young Spock would be a little pissed at Kirk!!

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should we make a spoiler thread? I don't mind discussing possible spoilers but agree this might not be the best place.

 

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Is it just me or is Simon Pegg the Jar Jar of JJ Trek.  " I like this ship it is exciting".  Awful.  The casting person should be fired the only casting they did right was Nimoy.

The guy who designed the new Enterpise should be fired the Design is just ugly looking. 

They have that dude from Harold and Kumas as Sulu.  Sylar as the Young Spock and a Dude who looks like he would be on the cover of teen beat a magazine my sister used to read as young kirk.  He also looks  too Young to be Kirk.

90210 Trek. Smallville Trek. OC Trek you get the picture.  the bridge looks like the Apple people called it the ibridge.  ipod-erprise.lol

I wish they skipped the Academy Days and instead filled in the Missing Chapters of the First Five Year Mission, or the Period that Lead up to the Motion picture the second five year mision.  They could have gone retro Like the movies 1-6 and it would have been cool.  I would love to see the enterprise from the Undiscovered Country on Screen again.  Too bad they sold it at auction the dumbasses decided to go cgi.

Believe it or not i would Prefer a Manny Coto Produced Enterprise Movie over this or even a fifth season of that show.  JJ wrong person for Star Trek.  Going to be the second time they picked the wrong guy.  Last time was on Nemesis some Stuart Baird guy who should have been directing something like James Bond and not Star Trek.

I don't get how a guy who did MI3 a spy movie is supposedly the go to person for a sci fi movie.  Unless they are going the route of stupid action movie dressed up as sci fi.  If we have enough naked chicks, cgi and explosions nobody will notice.lol

Nicholas Meyer did not seem like the right choice either but he understood good drama and the classics of Literature.  He understood characters and the human element in the story. 

JJ never stays with any project.  He has much more experience as a producer than a director or story writer.  He supervised most of Alias, Lost etc.  He very much is the George Lucas type who likes to have other people direct or write his ideas for him.  I would be willing to bet if this picture is sucessfull he will hand the next movie to a hand picked director he chooses like he did with Cloverfield.

I would guess the new movie is a lead in to a five picture series or more.  If not that much it will be a trilogy like the new batman is supposed to be.  Paramount also wants to Bring Star Trek back to tv as a live action series and also possibly an animated one.  But this film has to be sucessful for them to even have a chance of happening.

Even if the tos fans hate this movie they pretty much have to embrace it.  Bring their friends and family to see it multiple times.  It is the only way new trek will happen.  If this thing Bombs Paramount would be well within its rights to never spend a dime on the series again.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Is it just me or is Simon Pegg the Jar Jar of JJ Trek. "I like this ship it is exciting".  Awful. 

 

I know. I really like Simon Pegg, at first I thought the idea of him playing Scotty was a bit odd, he just doesn't seem to fit, but then when I got used to the idea I thought it would be pretty cool. Now that I have heard him speak in the trailer... uh... err... must... reserve... judgment... until... release date... arrrg...

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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skyjedi2005 said:

Even if the tos fans hate this movie they pretty much have to embrace it.  Bring their friends and family to see it multiple times.  It is the only way new trek will happen.  If this thing Bombs Paramount would be well within its rights to never spend a dime on the series again.

Then so be it.  If this turns out to be a terrible Trek, I'd rather see it bomb than see it be successful and watch Trek turn into yet another teeny bopper flick.  Trek is better than that.  Trek's success should not hinge on whether the "tween" crowd wants to see this or not.  It should hinge on it being a good story or not.

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A crowd that doesn't normally give a crap about Trek anyway.  So they're going to insert lots of action and some sex into a Trek film.  It'll be yet another blockbuster of the week that everyone will forget about a month after it's released.

 

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C3PX said:
skyjedi2005 said:

Is it just me or is Simon Pegg the Jar Jar of JJ Trek. "I like this ship it is exciting".  Awful. 

 

I know. I really like Simon Pegg, at first I thought the idea of him playing Scotty was a bit odd, he just doesn't seem to fit, but then when I got used to the idea I thought it would be pretty cool. Now that I have heard him speak in the trailer... uh... err... must... reserve... judgment... until... release date... arrrg...

Simon Pegg sucks.  Spaced was great, so was Shawn of the Dead, but now he's just annoying.  In England if you say 'Simon Pegg' people groan.  It will be this way in America before long too.

 

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lordjedi said:
skyjedi2005 said:

Even if the tos fans hate this movie they pretty much have to embrace it.  Bring their friends and family to see it multiple times.  It is the only way new trek will happen.  If this thing Bombs Paramount would be well within its rights to never spend a dime on the series again.

Then so be it.  If this turns out to be a terrible Trek, I'd rather see it bomb than see it be successful and watch Trek turn into yet another teeny bopper flick.  Trek is better than that.  Trek's success should not hinge on whether the "tween" crowd wants to see this or not.  It should hinge on it being a good story or not.

Some people would rather Star Trek not exist than be reimagined.  That just blows my mind.  This isn't Lucas, JJ is not gathering all of the hundreds of hours of Star Trek that existed before and throwing it out.  They're trying to get people interested in it again.  More people will be willing to take the cheesy little 60's science fiction show we love so well a bit more seriously, maybe focusing on the characters instead of the cliches they came to be.

If this movie is successful, I honestly believe people will give old Trek a chance again, not dilute the franchise or anything so silly.  The new movie will not take away your old ones.  It looks like an alternate universe/timeline anyway, so anyone can ignore it if they choose to.  But some of us are excited to be able to talk with their friends about Star Trek without looking like anti-social outcasts.  Star Trek either goes mainstream, or it withers and dies like it has been for years.  I'd rather it be mainstream.

But that's just me.

 

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HotRod said:

Well looky what we have here!

A little something extra in the trailer!! http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39238 It's at the end! You trekkies out there better get the tissues ready!!

 

 Wow! Looks pretty fucking awesome to me!

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Nimoy as spock, about time they showed that Considering that is the only thing they are doing right about this movie.  I miss shatner, but he has nothing to do with this Spock story.

William Shatner is now quite available since Boston Legal's last episodes are done and to be aired.

Too bad they cannot shoot something and just stick him in there as Kirk somewhere like in the credits or something at the end.

Zachary Quinto should be quite available for sequels as i hear heroes might get cancelled.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I'll bet flowers wilt and die when you walk past them ;)

There's no reason that they couldn't include William Shatner in shoes other than Kirks. I'm pretty he mentioned that no one from the film production ever contacted him.

 

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If your analogy refers to to the prequels of star wars as a flower they deserve to wilt and die because they sucked as movies and so will this movie trek 90210.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Yoda Is Your Father said:

Simon Pegg sucks.  Spaced was great, so was Shawn of the Dead, but now he's just annoying.  In England if you say 'Simon Pegg' people groan.  It will be this way in America before long too.

So It seems Simon Pegg is already a Jar Jar.

 

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skyjedi2005 said:

Is it just me or is Simon Pegg the Jar Jar of JJ Trek.  " I like this ship it is exciting".  Awful.

"I know this ship like the back of my hand."  Clang!

Yeah, like that was any better.

 

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Touche!  I guess all you can say is that Scotty's a wee bit silly no matter which universe you're coming from!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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doubleofive said:
lordjedi said:
skyjedi2005 said:

Even if the tos fans hate this movie they pretty much have to embrace it.  Bring their friends and family to see it multiple times.  It is the only way new trek will happen.  If this thing Bombs Paramount would be well within its rights to never spend a dime on the series again.

Then so be it.  If this turns out to be a terrible Trek, I'd rather see it bomb than see it be successful and watch Trek turn into yet another teeny bopper flick.  Trek is better than that.  Trek's success should not hinge on whether the "tween" crowd wants to see this or not.  It should hinge on it being a good story or not.

Some people would rather Star Trek not exist than be reimagined.  That just blows my mind...

 

Its about dying with dignity. Something to do with letting sleeping dogs die. Whips and dead horses, all that crap. Who knows, fans are wacked, screw em and move on. They care too much about things for their own good. The studios/producers/powers that be who care nothing about any given franchise beyond how much dough it can rake in, they're the ones who know what is best for a series, and are interested in keeping its integrity, they are good people willing to whore out their assesets, and that is why they win. To succeed you must be willing to whore out, whore out yourself, whore out your daughters, whore out your wives. Whore out whatever you can, it tis the way to go.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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doubleofive said:

If this movie is successful, I honestly believe people will give old Trek a chance again, not dilute the franchise or anything so silly.

Ha!  This just floors me.  If this movie is successful, why on earth would they even go back to old Trek?  They'll take one look at it and thumb their noses, just like they do right now.

But some of us are excited to be able to talk with their friends about Star Trek without looking like anti-social outcasts.  Star Trek either goes mainstream, or it withers and dies like it has been for years.  I'd rather it be mainstream.

If people treat you like an outcast because of the movies you like, then they're not worth talking to.  Seriously, depending on what you're discussing, there's no reason for that kind of shit.  Seeing the latest Trek flick with cool explosions and hot chicks in skimpy outfits isn't my idea of seeing a Trek film.

So yes, I'd rather see Trek die than see it go mainstream in order to capture an audience that isn't going to give a shit about it a year or 5 years from now.  I'd rather see it die than see it become the "blockbuster of the week".  Like C3PX said, it's about dying with dignity.

I'm sure it'll be successful though, based solely on the guy playing Kirk.  He'll bring in all the tween and teenage girls, just like the guy in Twilight.  And the young sexy chicks will bring in all the jocks.  So it'll definitely go mainstream, but conversations will be limited to "OMG! He's so hot!" instead of "I wonder how this is going to play out in the next movie?"

 

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JJ and his crew seem to be trying to restart Star Trek by re-writing it.
What JJ and his crew are doing is a dumb move.
To understand how this is a dumb move, lets look at the eras of Star Trek.

ENT ERA: 2150-2101
CAGE ERA: 2250-2264
TOS ERA: 2265-2269
TMP ERA: 2270-2284
TKOW ERA: 2285-2292
TNG ERA: 2364-2380

So JJ and his crew are tying rebooting TOS ERA, but the thing is TOS ERA is not a dead point.

Here are the dead point in the eras of Star Trek:
ENT ERA: 2150-2101 (DEAD)
CAGE ERA: 2250-2264
TOS ERA: 2265-2269
TMP ERA: 2270-2284
TKOW ERA: 2285-2292
TNG ERA: 2364-2380 (DEAD)

I do not understand why JJ and his crew thinks redoing the TOS ERA will save star trek. One thing is TOS ERA is not dead and it became TMP ERA and then, TKOW ERA.

Remember the old saying: "don't fix it, if it is not broken."

TOS ERA is not broken, JJ is trying to fix it.
as JJ's actions of "fix it even if it is not broken" will more like lead to the event of JJ braking it as he trying to fix something which does not need fixing in the first place.

JJ's messes around effects more than TOS ERA and JJ made more dead point.
ENT ERA: 2150-2101 (DEAD)
CAGE ERA: 2250-2264 (DEAD)
TOS ERA: 2265-2269 (DEAD)
TMP ERA: 2270-2284
TKOW ERA: 2285-2292
TNG ERA: 2364-2380 (DEAD)

This is the point that Star Trek is at right now because of JJ rebooting TOS ERA into his own JJ ERA.

Another dumb move by JJ and his crew is linking the Dead TNG era to his JJ ERA:
http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/24/more-details-and-promotional-image-for-star-trek-movie-prequel-comic/

also Nimoy as the super-super old Spock is just sad:
http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/25/new-version-of-star-trek-trailer-now-with-two-spocks/

Nimoy looks too old, unhealthy and sad. Some People said Shatner is too old and fat to play old kirk, but now seeing how old spock looks in this film, I have to say Shatner is the same.... if not a bit better looks for his age.

Nimoy looks like a troll doll with vulcan hair and eye brows.

It is good to see Nimoy as Spock once more, but I think old spock needs old kirk.