Abrams is Destroying Star Trek like Lucas has Destroyed Star Wars — Page 16

Anchorhead said:

Man, you have to make peace with that. Raging against the director, the story, the studio, the actors, etc - it does absolutely nothing.  It won't affect the box office, it won't change the minds of fans or potential fans, and it won't steer the franchise.

I agree with you 100%, I really do. But just curious, if you had like minded friends (maybe you did) who you could lament with back when Empire Strikes Back came out and wasn't to you liking, and then later when ROTJ came out, wouldn't you have?

I agree Hunter goes quite a bit over the top in his frantic condemnation of the new film. But I certainly don't see anything wrong with a few dorks venting off some frustration at something they love taking a wrong turn. It is not that anyone thinks the new movie will ruin the last forty years, obviously those are set in stone and untouchable, it is just an outlet of disappointment among a few like minded fans.

Hunter6 said:

skyjedi2005 said:

Hunter6 your forgetting that the best Trek film of all was directed and Helmed by someone who was neither a fan nor well versed in trek lore, Nicholas Meyer.  Remember Bennet and Meyer were brought outside of trek after the motion picture to breathe new life into trek.

 

No, I did not forget Nicholas Meyer.

Nicholas Meyer and Gene Roddenberry were real alike in their visions of Star Trek.

Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek was Horatio Hornblower, but on a starship. 

Meyer described his script as "'Hornblower' in outer space", utilizing nautical references and a swashbuckling atmosphere.^[8](Hornblower was an inspiration to Roddenberry and Shatner when making the show, although Meyer was unaware of this).^[26]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_II

 

Also Nicholas Meyer's ST: II was more like the swashbuckling TOS then ST:TMP.

Nicholas Meyer did not need to know trek lore because he got what Star Trek was about and it showed.

 

 

JJ Abrams is NO Nicholas Meyer and it shows.

 

 

At least your empire wasn't taken down by Ewoks.

Anchorhead said:

 

What I don't get is the "my world is coming to an end" mentality and the "Star Trek is being destroyed - the director must be punished" venom.  It's one film out of eleven - not the end of Star Trek.

I think it is really just one poster who is exhibiting the "my world is coming ot an end" mentality. I am with you, I really don't get it either, but it doesn't really bother me if others exhibit it. The rest of us, like FF and I and many others are pretty grounded in reality, we're just saying that it looks pretty bad and we are disappointed with the new direction. Despite my complaints here, I am not shedding any tears over this or losing a single wink of sleep over it. To me this is the same difference as them not even making a new Trek film, which if something I am fine with. But that does't stop me from agreeing with, or pipping in to add my two cents to others ST discussion. Just talking here, no harm done, except for Hunter, I am pretty sure sooner or later his head is going to explode from some new trailer or new tidbit of information about the film they release.

Until then, call me a masochist for negativity but I actually kind of enjoy reading his posts. In fact, I really think he should start a youtube show featuring him ranting about the new film and J.J. Abrams. It could be kind of a new angry nintendo nerd ripoff. I'd watch.

I have been enjoying all the comments on this subject.  Even with my douts about this film, I think I will try and see it on the opening night.  Some movies are better with a lrg number of fans there.  The last Trek I saw on opening night was "Generations", and the excited crowd reactions made that film so much more fun.

Final one sheet poster.

Errmm....Kinda shitty really, but there you go!

I had never seen that poster before, Fang Zei.  Thanks for sharing.

That new Star Trek poster is pretty lousy.

I have always liked that old ST The Motion Picture poster, I remember seeing it as an ad in some of my comic books when I was a kid.

That is actually the Phase II enterprise on the pre release motion picture poster, and not the model they actually used for the refit 1701 in the movie.

This model or design had never been used in until New Voyages fan film series, now called Phase II used the design for their refit enterpise which unfortunetely being a fan film series is shot on video and not on film and the spaceships are all cgi, kinda like this JJ movie only a lot lower budget.

I cant wait to see the motion picture theatrical version hit home video in high definition for the 30th anniversary of the motion picture.  A much better way to celebrate than this overwrought cgi farce coming in may.

I actually looking forward to FanFiltrations extended motion picture of star trek in widecreen way more than this new movie.

I feel bad for Trek fans.  They finally know what it feels like for fans of star wars, Indiana Jones to watch their fave series go down in flames for the highest profit and lowest common demonminator.

Then again is there a single film or television series that has been revisited or remade other than batman or bond  that has not been completed destroyed.

Alien franchise ruined by alien vs predator movie and its sequel as if part III and Iv were not bad enough.  Terminator III put the terminator franchise in the toilet.  Bay and Spielberg destroyed transformers, spielberg and lucas destroyed indiana jones.  and Lucas himself destroyed star wars.  Ronald Moore and Brannon Bragga destroyed star trek, and abrams is only burying it further.

I was gonna complain about the US poster art, but then I remembered just how much better our first Harry Potter one was.  Silly, I know, BUt the point is that - before anyone gets to it - sometimes one's better, sometimes it's not.

Hunter6 said:

Scotty (Simon Pegg) trapped inside water pipes then He has his "I like this ship…it’s exciting" line.

Simon Pegg as Scotty maybe worst then Jar Jar.

This movie is looking even more horrible.

This maybe the kid's trailer, but it is still bad and will be in the movie.

 

http://trekmovie.com/2009/03/29/see-star-trek-kids-trailer-aired-during-kids-choice-awards-w-analysis-pine-appearance/

 

Without the scene being in more context then shown, I can't be sure of what is going on or if it's goofy or not.

Scotty always had the grown worthy lines.

"Where there will be no tribble at all"

"Hello Computer!"

I had a friend in elementary school (early 90's) and every time we sat at our Apple-IIs in computer class, we'd say "A keyboard, how quaint", crack our knuckles, and type randomly.

I watched the Kid's Choice commercial, and it did give me worries.  I hope against all hopes that it makes sense in context, because... *cringe*

Anchorhead said:

FF,
With God as my witness, I was going to post that same silly "Hello compyutair" scene.

Well done, sir. ;-)

That's so funny man.

You know what? I am going to have to admit something now that I never truly fully realized until just this very moment.  I think "Star Trek IV" truly sucks.

At this point in time, I have much more respect for "Star Trek V". I don't know why it took this long to sink in. The jokes are so lame, and the Characters act like they lost 70% of their I.Q.  when they time traveled.  The music was atrocious.  It's even more of a let down, because it's part 3 of the trilogy, and is forever linked to the Wrath of Khan and Search for Spock's story arc. But I still enjoy it to a point, and would not think of removing the DVD from my collection.

I feel most Star Trek fans have been let down before, but still return and enjoy Trek again and again. With flaws and all.   

Most of us got over the re-casting of Savic (to a point) in ST: 3.

We deal with the unsightly uniforms of ST: TMP.

We forgive blatent disregard of established Trek cannon, when in the all time best trek movie Khan knows Chekhov.

We overlook the  obligatory incertion of Romulan Ale in most films after ST:II. 

I'm sure Trek fans will indore this film as well.

My only question now is, should I see it at the IMAX?

I like the new poster too.

Here is one I HATE!