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Let’s get it out of the way that I’m not trying to tell you how to write your stories. There is however something that I think gets overlooked by many who rewrite the prequels, and that is the characterization of Anakin Skywalker. This is worth taking into account, for those interested in making the character a multi-faceted human being.

A lot of fans look at the OT and see certain distinctive attributes to Darth Vader, that they believe should always apply to him throughout his life. They believe these attributes should apply to him in the PT, specifically. As Darth Vader, he’s a very rough-edged, no-nonsense type of person. He’s eloquent, strict on his subordinates, prideful, malicious to his core, and an extremely militant control freak. For some reason, a lot of prequel rewriters want him to carry a lot of those in his early days. My question is, where is the character development there?

If he always had Vader’s personality, then what we have on our hands is a relatively two-dimensional character, which I think undermines the villain in the OT. If a writer wants to really have Anakin as a person, then that writer must pay close attention to character development.

The way I see it, Anakin had to earn a lot of the personality characteristics he will have as Vader. Some will be inherent, and present from the very start, as with every individual unique being, but most will need to be earned.

Look at a person in your past or present that was/is a strict, hardass control freak. Were they always like that? Nine times out of ten the answer is a definate NO. Find out where the turning points were for them. If not from the person himself, then people who have known that person a great portion of his life.

However you decide to do that, good luck.

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I don't think the issue is so much that people want PT-Anakin to be Vader-esque; we just don't want him to be whiny, bratty, creepy, and dramatically competent as a two-by-four. A noble, selfless, compassionate Anakin would be preferable, among other reasons, because that's a much wider character arc than with which we're currently presented.

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Oh, sure. I'm by no means suggesting a Hayden Christensen Anakin... who was a sociopath when we first meet him in AOTC.

I see people who want Anakin to be Vader-esque in the PT, and that just doesn't work out if he's to go back to being Anakin at the end of ROTJ. There'd be nothing to redeem.

Like with the PT we have now. There's nothing to redeem about him, and there's no real character development. Anakin doesn't fall, he just goes sidewise the whole time.

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I have also contemplated rewriting the prequal story simply to prove I can do a better job. 

My biggest complaint about the dialogue in the pt is a simple one.  Contractions.  The lack of which makes everything sound stilted and less real then it already is.  You're in an unrealistic environment, the suspension of belief is being pushed as it is.  Now I understand it's supposed to be before the Fall of the Republic, so everything is a bit more regal, but I would have much, MUCH rather seen (and heard) an order of grizzled, war battered jedi knights talk closer to the way we do...or at least have Anakin and Obi-Wan go about their adventures with dialogue in the spirit of Han and Luke, as opposed to "Shakespearean". 

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...also, I wanted Anakin's transformation to Darth Vader to be more clearly defined, and more selfish.  I wanted him to make a consious decision to follow the path to the dark side, instead of being "decieved" or "brainwashed" by Palpatine.  How rewarding would it have been to see a young Anakin Skywalker...closed off, to himself...perhaps even ostrasized by his friends.  Then, when he realzied his gift for the force, relish in the idea of absolute power. And of coarse he develops a real thirst for it along the way. 

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wwdarth said:

...also, I wanted Anakin's transformation to Darth Vader to be more clearly defined, and more selfish.  I wanted him to make a consious decision to follow the path to the dark side, instead of being "decieved" or "brainwashed" by Palpatine.  How rewarding would it have been to see a young Anakin Skywalker...closed off, to himself...perhaps even ostrasized by his friends.  Then, when he realzied his gift for the force, relish in the idea of absolute power. And of coarse he develops a real thirst for it along the way. 

 

From what was mentioned of him in the PT, Anakin was a fine pilot during the Clone Wars. I think the Clone Wars, as we saw it realized on film, was not the true horror of a war that the very name would imply. Something that Anakin encounters during his tour of duty must change him to the point where he can be seduced by the teachings of the Sith. Perhaps for all the evil the Sith were known for, at least they would have never allowed such a monstrosity as what happened during the Clone Wars, something Anakin would blame on this in charge at this time (namely, The Republic and the Jedi). For the man to hunt down and kill every single Jedi, he has to have some intense motivation. A memory of something horrific that changed him forever would do very well to account for this.

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It would be interesting to see Anakin witness something like a Jedi executing a clone because it is an abomination... That could cause a rift inside someone...

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I find it interesting that no one sees how devious and slimy Palpatine is from the moment we meet him. He is orchestrating nearly everything from the first scene of Episode I until he underestimates Vader/Anakin's ties to Luke in Episode VI. For instance the apparently badly acted scene where Palpatine begs Amidala not to go back to Naboo is Palpatine being insincere. Palpatine wants her to go and might even be using the force to make sure things happen his way.

Anakin is portrayed as very similar to Luke (whiny kids must be common on Tatooine) except that Anakin's speech pattern (which is so often criticized as bad acting) oddly matches Vader's speech patterns.

I would have loved to see more character development from Anakin. I was very disappointed Lucas chose to start the story with a child Anakin and things just went downhill from there. I think there are enough pieces shown in Ep2 & 3 that they could be edited to make a stronger character development. There should have been more after his mother dies and more love with Padme so his sense of betrayal is stronger. And there's a lot that could be cut to reduce his whiny and annoying nature.

I can see what Lucas was trying to do, but I don't think he pulled it off quiet as well he should. In some ways there is too much to the prequels yet not enough story. Being a fan of classic movies, I don't think I find the prequels as objectionable as other people do.

 

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yotsuya said:

Anakin is portrayed as very similar to Luke (whiny kids must be common on Tatooine) except that Anakin's speech pattern (which is so often criticized as bad acting) oddly matches Vader's speech patterns.

 

 Could you give an example of this?

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Sluggo said:
yotsuya said:

Anakin is portrayed as very similar to Luke (whiny kids must be common on Tatooine) except that Anakin's speech pattern (which is so often criticized as bad acting) oddly matches Vader's speech patterns.

 

 Could you give an example of this?

 

Even if its not on purpose, it is REALLY FUNNY to translate all of Anakin's dialog in your head to James Earl Jones.  "Are you an angel?" sounds so great in his voice.

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wwdarth said:

...also, I wanted Anakin's transformation to Darth Vader to be more clearly defined, and more selfish.  I wanted him to make a consious decision to follow the path to the dark side, instead of being "decieved" or "brainwashed" by Palpatine.  How rewarding would it have been to see a young Anakin Skywalker...closed off, to himself...perhaps even ostrasized by his friends.  Then, when he realzied his gift for the force, relish in the idea of absolute power. And of coarse he develops a real thirst for it along the way. 

 

From what was mentioned of him in the PT, Anakin was a fine pilot during the Clone Wars. I think the Clone Wars, as we saw it realized on film, was not the true horror of a war that the very name would imply. Something that Anakin encounters during his tour of duty must change him to the point where he can be seduced by the teachings of the Sith. Perhaps for all the evil the Sith were known for, at least they would have never allowed such a monstrosity as what happened during the Clone Wars, something Anakin would blame on this in charge at this time (namely, The Republic and the Jedi). For the man to hunt down and kill every single Jedi, he has to have some intense motivation. A memory of something horrific that changed him forever would do very well to account for this.

 If the emperor made him believe the jedi killed padme suddenly it would all make perfect sense.

Or maybe it's fine as it is really. If he thinks he killed padme he would hate himself and psosibly try to shift the blame in his head. He already considers the jedi a threat to peace and justice.

The real difficulty is giving him a real reason for thinking this, as it stands he seems to just believe every word palpatine says for no good reason. If he told him the moon was made of cheese he would take his ship and bring a lot of biscuits.

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A lot of character traits have good and bad sides.  The best example is "Dedication" and "Stubborness."  The trait is often exhibited in both good and bad ways in the same person- depending on the situation to some degree and more importantly- depending on the perspective of the observer.

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Even if its not on purpose, it is REALLY FUNNY to translate all of Anakin's dialog in your head to James Earl Jones.  "Are you an angel?" sounds so great in his voice.

How about... "You mean I get to come with YOU on your starship?!!!"

Why didn't Lucas just add "...jeepers!" and be done with it?

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