A moment of chastisement

I love how we can discuss racism, but no matter the context, the N-word is such a no-no that a member of our forum practically gets yelled off the stage.

I love how an American can get called a racist for criticizing Islam, how Westerners are blamed for Islamic extremism, all here in Off Topic.

I love how Christians are bigots who believe that perhaps it is against God's will that homosexuality is an acceptable practice in his eyes, though they still defend the rights of homosexuals.

I love how if someone states that they are proud they waited till marriage to have sex, they are labeled as condescending and their words offending.

I love how if anyone defends the PT or states they prefer the SE of the OT, they got slammed by the majority of this site.

And yet....

Many of those same members who are so sensitive about homosexuals, Muslims, African-Americans, chastity till marriage, and the OOT that it disallows any rational discussion or exception to any "rules" will be the same people who will slam a Christian who gets offended when others deliberately go out of their way to insult their faith and mock the things most sacred to them.  Many of the same members will in fact demonstrate their bigotry and engage in the same practice.  And many of the same members will do nothing to stand up for the rights of those who simply wish to express their faith.

There have been some real jerks here in Off Topic of late.  I have probably never been so disappointed in so many patrons here, and I've never seen the bigotry of the likes of Darth Id and imperialscum so readily accepted.  It frustrates me further that this site is so finicky that I cannot even properly respond most of the time.

So many of you have disappointed me and let me down.  You probably don't even care and think I'm too sensitive.  But the fact remains, that you have tolerated bigotry because it wasn't a demographic you cared about.  I really am at a point where Bingowings and I will probably be in the same boat, and I really won't care if it makes many of you sad or thrilled.  Perhaps he and I will resume conversation in the Fan Edits and Preservations sections, which is about the only place on the forum I will be visiting soon.  This place sucks, and you jerks who think it's acceptable to belittle another for their faith suck.

Bravo ender, for standing up. 

:)

I love how we can discuss racism, but no matter the context, the N-word is such a no-no that a member of our forum practically gets yelled off the stage.

I don't "love" that, but I do acknowledge it's sort of understandable.

I love how an American can get called a racist for criticizing Islam,

I don't.  I disapprove of the conflation of religion with race.

...how Westerners are blamed for Islamic extremism, all here in Off Topic.

Actually, Western military interventionist meddling is also quite rationally blamed for fomenting blowback in circles beyond the originaltrilogy.com Off-Topic sub-forum--often by reputable experts in geopolitics and history.

I love how Christians are bigots

I don't love that.  I wish they'd stop.

...who believe that perhaps it is against God's will that homosexuality is an acceptable practice in his eyes, though they still defend the rights of homosexuals.

Ummm, you sorta lost me there.

I love how if someone states that they are proud they waited till marriage to have sex, they are labeled as condescending and their words offending.

I don't love that.  Granted, I'm unfamiliar with this particular phenomenon, but I can confidently say I have no love for it, to the extent it exists.  So we'll have to disagree on that one.

I love how if anyone defends the PT or states they prefer the SE of the OT, they got slammed by the majority of this site.

Me too!  Thank Baby Jeebus!

And yet....

Many of those same members who are so sensitive about homosexuals, Muslims, African-Americans, chastity till marriage, and the OOT

[Sings] One of these things is not like the o-thers!

There have been some real jerks here in Off Topic of late.  I have probably never been so disappointed in so many patrons here, and I've never seen the bigotry of the likes of Darth Id and imperialscum so readily accepted. 

Wait--you mean you actually believe that stuff?  I thought it was a shtick! 

Woops...

I'm...sorry?

...

Okay, wait, don't tell me you actually liked Speaker for the Dead too!!!!  At least that was a joke, right?  Right?

darth_ender said:

I really am at a point where Bingowings and I will probably be in the same boat, and I really won't care if it makes many of you sad or thrilled.  Perhaps he and I will resume conversation in the Fan Edits and Preservations sections, which is about the only place on the forum I will be visiting soon.  This place sucks, and you jerks who think it's acceptable to belittle another for their faith suck.

 Ender, please don't leave the off topic section.  I know we have our trolls and jerks, but we also have good people here.   You are one of them.  We need more like you and we certainly don't need to lose a good person.  Please reconsider.

Ender if you leave Off-Topic I will personally poke my cat Gilligan in the face until he inevitably bites my finger.  Do you want that?

I support ender's choice, whatever it may be, as I support Warbler's and Bingo's positions in their circumstances.

Off-topic really has become a toilet lately as I believe hairy_hen sorta referred to it as.  

LOL!

Darth Id said:

Thank Baby Jeebus!

Hey, that's funny that you mockingly use an Ebonics pronunciation for Jesus.  That, and the fact that a larger percentage of blacks than whites are Christian and religious in general tells me that you think they must be a dumber race.  After all, only an idiot would believe in Jesus Christ, and a larger percentage of blacks in fact do!  Thank you for demonstrating your underlying racial beliefs.  They are shameful to be sure.

None of this would have ever happened if Ric Olie wasn't banned.  He brought us all together, and his loss is tearing us apart, Lisa.

Frankly, I'm starting to lose my taste for off-topic, too. Not quite enough to leave as of yet, but enough to dread coming here.

Yeah, ignoring valid arguments is not a sign of idiocy.  Nor is flatly insulting and belittling others for their belief in God instead of simply disagreeing in a candid and respectful manner an indication of personal attacks.

"Look, I'm not personally attacking you.  I'm saying everyone who believes in God a moron, so don't take it personally."

You repeatedly make the same errors in your arguments and in your assertions that what you are doing is justifiable.

And you're still an idiot, but so is everyone else who thinks just like you, so don't take it personally.

@Post, I don't mean to generalize.  I think everyone who knows they haven't done their best to stand against bigotry knows who they are.  People who get offended at the drop of a hat over silly things, yet do nothing to really stand for right when they actually see genuine bigotry.

It would be a lot easier if I could just get back to Off Topic, which is continuously a challenge.  But rest assured, it will not be difficult to find how condescending you are when I've got the time to wrestle with this frustrating site.

Note that for some reason, once you're in a topic, it normally is okay.  It's trying to get to the various sub-forums where the greatest overall troubles seem to be.  Don't worry, you've got plenty of dirt that doesn't require much digging.

I'm getting the feeling some of this (or all?) is directed towards me. The thread I made was a joke, see. I am an atheist and therefor have no interest in religion. There were no atheist pics because atheism is not a religion or anything but a title devised by people with the need to over categorize everything, and, thus, there are no "atheist pics." It's a joke! I thought it was funny. Whatever happened to joke threads in off-topic?

I almost thought this was a joke thread, but alas, no. It's interesting ender, that you take such issue with people defending things you don't believe in if they don't defend things you do believe in. When was the last time you defended the lack of beliefs of an atheist? When was the last time you defended the sexuality of an LGTBQ person (oh, right. You don't have to. I wonder, if I was a part of a religion that held the belief that Christian people were evil, would that be okay to you? Interesting too that Christianity is actually a choice when sexuality isn't, but I digress). I'm not saying I care, I really don't. You're on your side, I'm on mine. I don't expect you to come over here, so I don't know why you expect me to go over there.

Yes, I agree that disrespecting religious people because of their faith is a form of bigotry, but the biggest part of this whole thing you fail to see is that your two sources of ire are effing trolls (censored myself for you, but know that I mean this emphatically). They annoy me too, but I have learned to ignore them, as should you. Defending yourself against them is pointless, so I see no reason why I should defend you too. I don't expect you to defend me when the right-wing trolls speak up. They are trolls. Get over them. No one likes them. That's it. Done.

And please don't think this post is an assault against your character. It really isn't. Despite what you might think I really am not a judgmental person or anything like that. I do think it's annoying that you need to get up on a high horse and make these huge statements of "chastisement" or whatever. It's a little silly. But I don't think less of you I really don't, and I don't appreciate it when we argue that you have to fire back at me like I'm a villain and your a victim. I'm just trying to clear the air here. You're a cool guy and this really does not affect how I see you in discussions of other matters but seriously this thread is just a little irksome and I thought I'd let you know.

When's the last time you read me post on the topics you mention?  I have defended the rights of LGBT here many times, and in person as well.  I can't recall the rights of atheists even coming up much, but I have defended them.  The only case I can think of is possibly the brief discussion of not allowing atheists in public office in the politics thread, in which case I said that I believed they should be permitted same as anyone.

But other than that, I appreciate your post.  Some of the thread was indeed directed at you, but not all.  And it's not even because I'm the victim that I started this, but more because Warbler is.  We are in an unmoderated part of the forum.  It has it's advantages, but when jerks like Scum and Id(iot) come along, the only moderation I see as possible is the intervention of friends for each other.  When some friends don't rush to the aid of others, I am disappointed.  It seems when jerks realize that they are alienating themselves, they stop.  When they know they're just getting under the skin of a few, they keep going.

But you may find the thread irksome.  I didn't find your thread irksome at all, so you know.  I got it was a joke.  What bothered me was the lack of intervention on behalf of Warbler (mostly) and others (myself included, but to a lesser degree). It is deeply insulting what they say, and I find it hard to want to stick around when everywhere I turn, I find insults and no one calling them on it.

I'm sorry you don't like my thread, and perhaps it is an overreaction, as I am prone to do at times, but I hope you see my reasoning.  It's not meant to slam just you, and reading your most recent post, I feel better about your stance as it is.

Well I never!  This rampant anti-troll bigotry gives me half a mind to have a little moment of chastisement of my own for all you trollists!

So, show of hands, is there anybody that likes imperialscum and wants him to stay?  I can't find people speaking anything but negatively towards him anywhere.  

I don't remember always not liking him.  There was just a certain point that came when I was like "Man, fuck this guy".  (Speaking to my cat, addressing him as man.)  He could say something that I believe myself, and I would start questioning if I believed it or not based upon him saying it.  Did he change somewhere or was I just not paying attention before?

The sad thing is I believe he has the potential to be funny/witty if he would just drop the false sense of superiority.

DominicCobb said:

I'm getting the feeling some of this (or all?) is directed towards me. The thread I made was a joke, see. I am an atheist and therefor have no interest in religion. There were no atheist pics because atheism is not a religion or anything but a title devised by people with the need to over categorize everything, and, thus, there are no "atheist pics." It's a joke! I thought it was funny. Whatever happened to joke threads in off-topic?

For the record, I didn't know it was a joke but I didn't mind the atheist thread.   If you want to have a thread where you post atheist things and discuss why you believe God doesn't exist and stuff like that I am fine with it.  I could hardly argue against such a thread while claim the right to have "Warbler's Christian Thread".   

I almost thought this was a joke thread, but alas, no. It's interesting ender, that you take such issue with people defending things you don't believe in if they don't defend things you do believe in. When was the last time you defended the lack of beliefs of an atheist? When was the last time you defended the sexuality of an LGTBQ person (oh, right. You don't have to. I wonder, if I was a part of a religion that held the belief that Christian people were evil, would that be okay to you? Interesting too that Christianity is actually a choice when sexuality isn't, but I digress). I'm not saying I care, I really don't. You're on your side, I'm on mine. I don't expect you to come over here, so I don't know why you expect me to go over there.

again for the record,  If you search through the political thread, you will me multiple passionately debate for gay rights.    I have argued for the right for homosexuals to marry and openly serve in the military.  My religion says it is a sin, but that doesn't homosexual shouldn't have the same rights as I have.  As for a religion that held the belief that Christian people were evil, while I would vehemently disagree with them, I would still believe in their right to believe what they want.