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Originally posted by: greencapt
LOL. They should have had one guy off to the side saying "Er, Sir... Mr. Palpatine? Geez sir that looks pretty nasty- I think it might get infected..." Then have the new Emperor, while looking crossly at the person who spoke up, unscrew the lid of a salt shaker and pour it onto Anakin's body... then walk on.


lmao.
I have a bad feeling about this...
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Originally posted by: battlewars
all i have to say about that then is mark hamill is GOD!

Actually, he's the son of the sun.

Originally posted by: CO
It is funny cause one thing Lucas doesn't recognize is the EU books when it relates to the movies, as they are not considered canon, like in ROTJ book, Uncle Owen is ObiWans brother, which made more sense.

But then the first book after the Prequels is about? Darth Vader between Episode III & IV! And how do find out more about the Clone Wars? Watch the cartoons in 2004 & 2005! How do we get to know more about the prequels, read Labyrinth of Evil, because it gives more insight on alot of events that lead up to ROTS. But then again, don't, because they are not canon.

I never cared to read the OT books in the 70's/80's, cause they weren't these burning questions after watching each movie back then, it was all there, and if it wasn't there, it still made sense. Now you have to read some of the PT books to get more insight. But then again, they are not canon.


Now, let's not get in yet another canon argument. I'm going to end this once and for all. The EU is canon. It's as canon as the films. But Lucas? He sees it as an extension of his story, and thus, not part of his story. So... he regards it as part of the over all Star Wars canon, but not necessarily important to the story he has attempted to tell. That is why he always gives those hints to the EU, or adds things to his films from the EU, yet he doesn't indulge in it in his films.
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I never really thought about the fact that it was raining on or Coruscant or on Anakin for that matter, I just assumed it was there for mood...The thing I don't understand is how Anakin has an Oxygen mask on while being carried to the Medical building, but once inside for some reason he no longer needs it, limbs are re-attached, his clothing is picked off his charred body and a body suit is placed on him all the while never needing a breath mask?

So lets assume, maybe Vader can still breathe, just not well with his fried lungs, but fast foreward to ROTJ...."Luke, help me take this mask off.....but you'll die".

The whole breathing thing is a pretty significant part of the Vader persona, it would have been nice to accurately portray the person going into the suit as not being able to breath on his own without his mask dontcha think?.

That little lack of detail to Vaders condition in ROTS seems like a pretty big contradiction.
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Vader needs a hyperbaric environment --or perhaps just a greater oxygen partial pressure -- to breathe. That's what his meditation chamber on the Executor is. When they got him out of the medical capsule into the operating suite, they just pumped up the air pressure or the O2 content.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Now, let's not get in yet another canon argument. I'm going to end this once and for all. The EU is canon. It's as canon as the films.


No, Adam, it is not. It is part of the Star Wars universe, yes, but it is NOT canon. Not G-canon anyway. (is that the right term?)

And the fact that I have to watch 4 hours of the Clone Wars cartoon and read 6 or 7 books just to UNDERSTAND what the hell is going on in the story is pathetic.
I'm sure they are enjoyable entertainment, but I am not going to waste my time with something that should have been explained in the PT films. I've never had this kind of problem with the OT.
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Now, let's not get in yet another canon argument. I'm going to end this once and for all. The EU is canon. It's as canon as the films.


No, Adam, it is not. It is part of the Star Wars universe, yes, but it is NOT canon. Not G-canon anyway. (is that the right term?)


No offense, but do you actually understand what canon means? Canon refers to what officially "happened." Lucasfilm considers the films and all officially produced stories that are non-contradictory to the films, canon.

However, the two are divided into two levels, for the sole purpose of resolving any contunuity issues that may arise. The films make up the G-canon, and the EU makes up the C-canon. Now, they are all part of the overall canon, and on the same level to each other as far as what "happened." Where people usually get confused is when they hear that the films take precedence when resolving continuity matters. This does not mean, however, that the films are any higher story-wise, it only means that, since they are directly from the Star Wars creator, they must take precedence.

Another common misconception is that things like the Clone Wars series or the upcoming live-action series would automatically be G-canon because Lucas was heavily involved. This is not true, as the Lucasfilm rules are that only the six theatrical films are in the G-level. Nothing else he works on in Star Wars is, unless he changes the rules, of course. But I doubt he would worry enough to do that.

So yes, everything basically is canon. The only things not canon are any officially produced stories that blatantly contradict the films, or is deemed non-canon by its author. And, obviously, fan fiction is never considered canon.



Phew.. there's my great canon rant. This message has been brought to you by Adamwankenobi, apprentice to Nathan Butler, the God of Canonicity.
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the point is why do we need more books and cartoons to understand what shouldve been explained in the prequels
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Originally posted by: battlewars
the point is why do we need more books and cartoons to understand what shouldve been explained in the prequels


Because he never explained those things in the prequels. Plus, Jim Ward wants the $$$$.
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Originally posted by: End Credits
I agree. When I was in the theater, I was like, "um, shouldn't they cover him up?" I mean, I know it was probably for effect or something, but come on. You'd think the people of this hi-tech civilization (or at least George) would know better.


LOL. They should have had one guy off to the side saying "Er, Sir... Mr. Palpatine? Geez sir that looks pretty nasty- I think it might get infected..." Then have the new Emperor, while looking crossly at the person who spoke up, unscrew the lid of a salt shaker and pour it onto Anakin's body... then walk on.



Thanks, Greencapt. The image of that in my head is priceless. :

If memory serves, Coruscant according to the EU does have ice caps. They provide the source for water. Other than them, the only part of the surface still visable is a mountain top in Monument Square.


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for those who read things other than EU, i hope you guys realise that coruscant is a direct rip off of isaac asimovs foundation series
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I know. A lot of the elements of Star War are direct rip offs.
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For those of you baffled by this "no water on Coruscant, so why does it rain?" thing: You're treating Star Wars as if it's science-fiction. It's not science-fiction. Although it is set in space, the story and imagery are clearly fantasy-based mythology. From explosions in space, to lightning being shot from people's fingers, to the scientifically improbable mechanics of a lightsaber blade, the entire saga defies logic and science. The characters and locations represent certain Jungian archetypes and are not in need of a scientific explanation for their appearance. Lucas set the saga in another galaxy in another time specifically so that he wouldn't have to explain things like this.

Lucas is steeped in film lore, so the Frankenstein connection someone mentioned was probably very much a factor when designing this scene. Plus, a perfect place (visually) for the Emperor to be seen is a lightning storm.

I think a more important question would be why do they have a 1950's-style diner in Coruscant? But, the answer would be the same. It's all about how these archetypes are translated visually into the minds of the audience. There is more written about this in the book "Mythmaking", which is basically a book about the making of AOTC.

I don't see the water thing as a goof or a plot-hole, but for those who still have a problem with it, keep in mind, we're not seeing the entire planet. We've only seen the capital city in the films, a very small part of a presumably large planet. Maybe there are lakes or oceans somewhere.


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Well, sometimes it is nice to attempt to apply logic to the SW universe and see what we get. You should read Dr. Curtis Saxton's scientific paper that attempts to explain, through a VERY deatailed analysis, why an Endor holocaust would have occured. He explains that, due to the physical properties of the second Death Star and the fact that it was destroyed so close to a moon like Endor, that the fragments from it would have wiped out the ewoks and made the planet unihabitable.