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AdmiralWasabi10191 said:

stwd4nder2 said:

AdmiralWasabi10191 said:
Nice. But I’m going to choose the original cinema mix instead of a remix. It’s what I tend to do for the 4K UHD discs I own, at least the titles which have the OG mix.

Thanks for letting us all know. It really added to the quality of this thread.

No need to be condescending. Just stating my preference for original cinema audio mixes. Thankfully this preservation has it as DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0.

As an FYI, the original theatrical track is 5.1 Dolby/Spectral not 2.0. It’s just only been released on home video in 2.0 - I’ve confirmed with the director - I’ll have more info on that audio track that I can share at a later date.

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thebiggerpictures said:

AdmiralWasabi10191 said:

stwd4nder2 said:

AdmiralWasabi10191 said:
Nice. But I’m going to choose the original cinema mix instead of a remix. It’s what I tend to do for the 4K UHD discs I own, at least the titles which have the OG mix.

Thanks for letting us all know. It really added to the quality of this thread.

No need to be condescending. Just stating my preference for original cinema audio mixes. Thankfully this preservation has it as DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0.

As an FYI, the original theatrical track is 5.1 Dolby/Spectral not 2.0. It’s just only been released on home video in 2.0 - I’ve confirmed with the director - I’ll have more info on that audio track that I can share at a later date.

Are you telling me that Disney Movie Club BD is okay with the audio? Madness…

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AdmiralWasabi10191 said:

thebiggerpictures said:

AdmiralWasabi10191 said:

stwd4nder2 said:

AdmiralWasabi10191 said:
Nice. But I’m going to choose the original cinema mix instead of a remix. It’s what I tend to do for the 4K UHD discs I own, at least the titles which have the OG mix.

Thanks for letting us all know. It really added to the quality of this thread.

No need to be condescending. Just stating my preference for original cinema audio mixes. Thankfully this preservation has it as DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0.

As an FYI, the original theatrical track is 5.1 Dolby/Spectral not 2.0. It’s just only been released on home video in 2.0 - I’ve confirmed with the director - I’ll have more info on that audio track that I can share at a later date.

Are you telling me that Disney Movie Club BD is okay with the audio? Madness…

The studio had told the director the original 5.1 track would be restored for the disc, but it wasn’t located prior to the release, so they defaulted back to using the lossy 2.0 master - the same audio 2.0 master is used on Disney+ and on the DVD.

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Thebiggerpictures great to hear about the audio too bad he can’t give you access to even higher quality video sources than you have access to so it could be like it’s the equivalent of an official properly done release. still your doing a great job none the less.

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Hydra Spectre said:

What software was used to mix in DTS:X?

Check out my updated post on the audio. Major update!!!

The Sound is mixed in two systems - Adobe Audition and Protools. I didn’t mix within DTS-X as that is simply the encoder format. I created some object based sounds using the Original theatrical 5.1 music and effects only track and upmixed the lossless stereo theatrical tracks and combined/switched between these sources to create new 11.1 upmix which is finalized into 12 lossless wav/pcm/aiff channels (backed up in each format) and then encoded into DTS-X.

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thebiggerpictures said:

Hydra Spectre said:

What software was used to mix in DTS:X?

Check out my updated post on the audio. Major update!!!

The Sound is mixed in two systems - Adobe Audition and Protools. I didn’t mix within DTS-X as that is simply the encoder format. I created some object based sounds using the Original theatrical 5.1 music and effects only track and upmixed the lossless stereo theatrical tracks and combined/switched between these sources to create new 11.1 upmix which is finalized into 12 lossless wav/pcm/aiff channels (backed up in each format) and then encoded into DTS-X.

What I meant to say was, what software was used to encode the 11.1 WAV/PCM/AIFF channels to DTS:X?

Exophase

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Hydra Spectre said:

thebiggerpictures said:

Hydra Spectre said:

What software was used to mix in DTS:X?

Check out my updated post on the audio. Major update!!!

The Sound is mixed in two systems - Adobe Audition and Protools. I didn’t mix within DTS-X as that is simply the encoder format. I created some object based sounds using the Original theatrical 5.1 music and effects only track and upmixed the lossless stereo theatrical tracks and combined/switched between these sources to create new 11.1 upmix which is finalized into 12 lossless wav/pcm/aiff channels (backed up in each format) and then encoded into DTS-X.

What I meant to say was, what software was used to encode the 11.1 WAV/PCM/AIFF channels to DTS:X?

DTS X Encoder Suite from Scenarist/DTS

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thebiggerpictures said:

After speaking with the director Kevin Lima about the sound mix it was confirmed that Goofy Movie was indeed originally mixed and presented theatrically in select theaters in Dolby 5.1. An anonymous source - who shall remain anonymous - was able to provide me with the discrete 5.1 music and effects only track (used for dubbing other languages) in late January. That 5.1 mix is very clearly NOT an upmix with plenty of discrete activity in all channels. The rear channels are mostly mono but do have some stereo activity. Specifically I noticed stereo separation during the vacation montage sequence when bats come out of a cave and during the roller coaster shot plus when Powerline makes his stage entrance.

Even though I had completed the new mix, armed with this new source I preserved my work and then scrapped my original mix.

The primary issue with using the new source was that the vocals are obviously missing. I went through the original lossless laserdisc track and used the upmixed Center channel which removes all directional activity and then added it back into the 5.1 mix as the new center whenever dialog was occurring. When no dialog was active I was able to default/switch back to the 5.1 music and effects track. There are a few select times that vocals come solely from Left and right (during the musical numbers On the Open Road and After Today) plus there were some scenes with directional left/right pans (secretary in chair offscreen, goofy being bumped offscreen by Pete in department store, scene where Bigfoot chases max and goofy into the side/rear channels.)

I was careful to swap in my previous remix into those specific instances to blend it back and of course I had to Time align the entire master and eq. My discrete overhead and rear surround effects were redone with the stronger separated elements.

The musical numbers did contain the original Center vocals for the Powerline numbers so whenever Powerline sings I didn’t have to change out the center unless someone was speaking over his singing.

It was mixed with 4 overhead channels plus 7.1 base for the final output and rendered in lossless 12 channel and then encoded into DTS X with compatible 7.1 and 5.1 downmixes.
Due to the nature of overlaying a center channel at times, for playback on a stereo 2.0 system with no discrete center the original theatrical 2.0 lossless mix will offers the better experience, but for those with a discrete 5.1 or higher system the new mix rocks.

It will be sent to Kevin for notes within the next few weeks.

Consider me excited!

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woah this is so cool. especially since you have made the closest thing to the original 5.1 thats ever been done outside of theaters. I will be watching this project more closely. hopefully it gets ‘out there’ 😉

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thebiggerpictures said:

After speaking with the director Kevin Lima about the sound mix it was confirmed that Goofy Movie was indeed originally mixed and presented theatrically in select theaters in Dolby 5.1. An anonymous source - who shall remain anonymous - was able to provide me with the discrete 5.1 music and effects only track (used for dubbing other languages) in late January. That 5.1 mix is very clearly NOT an upmix with plenty of discrete activity in all channels. The rear channels are mostly mono but do have some stereo activity. Specifically I noticed stereo separation during the vacation montage sequence when bats come out of a cave and during the roller coaster shot plus when Powerline makes his stage entrance.

Even though I had completed the new mix, armed with this new source I preserved my work and then scrapped my original mix.

The primary issue with using the new source was that the vocals are obviously missing. I went through the original lossless laserdisc track and used the upmixed Center channel which removes all directional activity and then added it back into the 5.1 mix as the new center whenever dialog was occurring. When no dialog was active I was able to default/switch back to the 5.1 music and effects track. There are a few select times that vocals come solely from Left and right (during the musical numbers On the Open Road and After Today) plus there were some scenes with directional left/right pans (secretary in chair offscreen, goofy being bumped offscreen by Pete in department store, scene where Bigfoot chases max and goofy into the side/rear channels.)

I was careful to swap in my previous remix into those specific instances to blend it back and of course I had to Time align the entire master and eq. My discrete overhead and rear surround effects were redone with the stronger separated elements.

The musical numbers did contain the original Center vocals for the Powerline numbers so whenever Powerline sings I didn’t have to change out the center unless someone was speaking over his singing.

It was mixed with 4 overhead channels plus 7.1 base for the final output and rendered in lossless 12 channel and then encoded into DTS X with compatible 7.1 and 5.1 downmixes.
Due to the nature of overlaying a center channel at times, for playback on a stereo 2.0 system with no discrete center the original theatrical 2.0 lossless mix will offers the better experience, but for those with a discrete 5.1 or higher system the new mix rocks.

It will be sent to Kevin for notes within the next few weeks.

Does that mean we might finally be able to see the full thing for ourselves soon?

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Jedi122 said:

thebiggerpictures said:

After speaking with the director Kevin Lima about the sound mix it was confirmed that Goofy Movie was indeed originally mixed and presented theatrically in select theaters in Dolby 5.1. An anonymous source - who shall remain anonymous - was able to provide me with the discrete 5.1 music and effects only track (used for dubbing other languages) in late January. That 5.1 mix is very clearly NOT an upmix with plenty of discrete activity in all channels. The rear channels are mostly mono but do have some stereo activity. Specifically I noticed stereo separation during the vacation montage sequence when bats come out of a cave and during the roller coaster shot plus when Powerline makes his stage entrance.

Even though I had completed the new mix, armed with this new source I preserved my work and then scrapped my original mix.

The primary issue with using the new source was that the vocals are obviously missing. I went through the original lossless laserdisc track and used the upmixed Center channel which removes all directional activity and then added it back into the 5.1 mix as the new center whenever dialog was occurring. When no dialog was active I was able to default/switch back to the 5.1 music and effects track. There are a few select times that vocals come solely from Left and right (during the musical numbers On the Open Road and After Today) plus there were some scenes with directional left/right pans (secretary in chair offscreen, goofy being bumped offscreen by Pete in department store, scene where Bigfoot chases max and goofy into the side/rear channels.)

I was careful to swap in my previous remix into those specific instances to blend it back and of course I had to Time align the entire master and eq. My discrete overhead and rear surround effects were redone with the stronger separated elements.

The musical numbers did contain the original Center vocals for the Powerline numbers so whenever Powerline sings I didn’t have to change out the center unless someone was speaking over his singing.

It was mixed with 4 overhead channels plus 7.1 base for the final output and rendered in lossless 12 channel and then encoded into DTS X with compatible 7.1 and 5.1 downmixes.
Due to the nature of overlaying a center channel at times, for playback on a stereo 2.0 system with no discrete center the original theatrical 2.0 lossless mix will offers the better experience, but for those with a discrete 5.1 or higher system the new mix rocks.

It will be sent to Kevin for notes within the next few weeks.

Does that mean we might finally be able to see the full thing for ourselves soon?

Updated version of the documentary with the finalized before and after clips uploaded. 5.1 AAC sound option is available on some youtube player devices. Link here: https://youtu.be/tjjDozZuQQ8

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thebiggerpictures said:

Jedi122 said:

thebiggerpictures said:

After speaking with the director Kevin Lima about the sound mix it was confirmed that Goofy Movie was indeed originally mixed and presented theatrically in select theaters in Dolby 5.1. An anonymous source - who shall remain anonymous - was able to provide me with the discrete 5.1 music and effects only track (used for dubbing other languages) in late January. That 5.1 mix is very clearly NOT an upmix with plenty of discrete activity in all channels. The rear channels are mostly mono but do have some stereo activity. Specifically I noticed stereo separation during the vacation montage sequence when bats come out of a cave and during the roller coaster shot plus when Powerline makes his stage entrance.

Even though I had completed the new mix, armed with this new source I preserved my work and then scrapped my original mix.

The primary issue with using the new source was that the vocals are obviously missing. I went through the original lossless laserdisc track and used the upmixed Center channel which removes all directional activity and then added it back into the 5.1 mix as the new center whenever dialog was occurring. When no dialog was active I was able to default/switch back to the 5.1 music and effects track. There are a few select times that vocals come solely from Left and right (during the musical numbers On the Open Road and After Today) plus there were some scenes with directional left/right pans (secretary in chair offscreen, goofy being bumped offscreen by Pete in department store, scene where Bigfoot chases max and goofy into the side/rear channels.)

I was careful to swap in my previous remix into those specific instances to blend it back and of course I had to Time align the entire master and eq. My discrete overhead and rear surround effects were redone with the stronger separated elements.

The musical numbers did contain the original Center vocals for the Powerline numbers so whenever Powerline sings I didn’t have to change out the center unless someone was speaking over his singing.

It was mixed with 4 overhead channels plus 7.1 base for the final output and rendered in lossless 12 channel and then encoded into DTS X with compatible 7.1 and 5.1 downmixes.
Due to the nature of overlaying a center channel at times, for playback on a stereo 2.0 system with no discrete center the original theatrical 2.0 lossless mix will offers the better experience, but for those with a discrete 5.1 or higher system the new mix rocks.

It will be sent to Kevin for notes within the next few weeks.

Does that mean we might finally be able to see the full thing for ourselves soon?

Updated version of the documentary with the finalized before and after clips uploaded. 5.1 AAC sound option is available on some youtube player devices. Link here: https://youtu.be/tjjDozZuQQ8

I’m so excited by the work that’s been done on this, and that video tells the story so well! Thanks for sharing!

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You didn’t show this in the video, but did you restore Roxanne’s dad’s crack?

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thebiggerpictures said:

After speaking with the director Kevin Lima about the sound mix it was confirmed that Goofy Movie was indeed originally mixed and presented theatrically in select theaters in Dolby 5.1. An anonymous source - who shall remain anonymous - was able to provide me with the discrete 5.1 music and effects only track (used for dubbing other languages) in late January.

Hi there BP,

I’ve been looking at the work you’ve been on doing on this truly-remastered fan project of in my opinon one of the best Disney movies of modern times. I notice in your post that you said you had acquired both the music and sounds effects to the film. I was wondering if you could consider releasing Carter Burwell’s complete score to the film by considering the official soundtrack only has 7 tracks of the film’s score in it while a good chunk of the score remains unreleased. I doubt that Disney with its current state of corporate mayhem will consider releasing the 4K fan remaster film let alone a complete score to it. Yet I think you would be doing us soundtrack buffs a big favor by releasing something that we thought was once lost to the Disney vault but is not.

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I just got the Blu-ray from my fiance as a birthday gift a couple of months ago, and now I discovered this beautiful work of art 4K restoration. How do I get a copy of this 4K? Thank you so much for your work, and preservation.

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can’t wait for the release. looks amazing

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Thank you for doing this. Any way to get a hold of watching the Goofy Movie now as it was intended?

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WOW. I am absolutely FLOORED by your work. Not many people would put that much effort into the audio either, but I definitely appreciate it.

I also really respect that you are trying to make something happen officially. As someone who has had a brush with appealing to the house of mouse licensing, I really wish you the best of luck. I see you’ve already made some progress with some of the creative team (how exciting!) Any updates to share? It would be so amazing on many levels if you got to release this or work on a new release officially.

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Dude, there is absolutely nothing bad to say other than Disney needs to pay you for this work, give it a 100 GB UHD Blu-ray release and an even larger size release on kaleidoscape.

I really hope to be able to buy this in the near future.