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A "FUCK the Empire" edit of Andor?

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This is my first time creating a topic rather than just replying to one, so please forgive me if this isn’t the right way to inquire about this. I read all the rules/guidelines/FAQs and I think this is kosher.

Anyway, what the topic title says… I’m fascinated by the idea of an Andor edit that revises Maarva’s closing self-eulogy line from “FIGHT the Empire” to “FUCK the Empire”, which is what was supposedly scripted & filmed.

Seems that AI speech software is becoming more commonly used for edits around here, so figured it might be doable for some enterprising soul? I’m sure Fiona Shaw (Maarva actress) has dropped an F-bomb or two in her other projects (Killing Eve, Fleabag, True Blood, etc). If that’s even how the software works?

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Just adding that I totally respect folks who think an F-bomb is NOT in the spirit of Star Wars. However, I love the idea of it in this case because 1) Andor already feels to me like the edgiest/real-est/nastiest version of Star Wars we’ve gotten, so it fits, and 2) the speech is building > building > BUILDING to something huge. An F-bomb in that moment would’ve been TRULY shocking. On both a STORY-level and a META-level.

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Originally, I also wanted this to be the case after I heard it was supposedly the original plan.

But “FIGHT the Empire!” is so much more a call to action than “F*** the Empire!” and I wouldn’t want it any other way now.

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You could try just using Fiona Shaw’s delivery of the line where she says “F*** the Empire” in an interview with Variety. I’ve had it saved on my computer forever. Not sure if the tone of her delivery would work, but it’s worth trying since it’s an authentic delivery. Here ya go!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FDEE0U0ZL9hYIRSO032Jhdt3HGKuMmU6/view?usp=sharing

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DZ-330 said:

Originally, I also wanted this to be the case after I heard it was supposedly the original plan.

But “FIGHT the Empire!” is so much more a call to action than “F*** the Empire!” and I wouldn’t want it any other way now.

Fair! I think the other reason I like the f*** line, besides what I added above, is that Andor (the show, not the individual) has been saying “fight the empire” from episode 1. Through the voices of the characters (including Maarva), the plots, the themes.

I think to really take it to the next level in the finale, to reward our time watching the season, to justify a full-blown revolt & IED explosion, we need to hear something BIG/NEW/CONTROVERSIAL. On a meta-level that is. Just my thoughts.

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DZ-330 said:

Originally, I also wanted this to be the case after I heard it was supposedly the original plan.

But “FIGHT the Empire!” is so much more a call to action than “F*** the Empire!” and I wouldn’t want it any other way now.

I was of the same understanding when I released my Chapter III edit but having picked it up again recently, while editing Chapter IV I’m thinking of adding the line in. I’m so 50-50 on this one.

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Acbagel said:

You could try just using Fiona Shaw’s delivery of the line where she says “F*** the Empire” in an interview with Variety. I’ve had it saved on my computer forever. Not sure if the tone of her delivery would work, but it’s worth trying since it’s an authentic delivery. Here ya go!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FDEE0U0ZL9hYIRSO032Jhdt3HGKuMmU6/view?usp=sharing

That probably won’t work because she’s very smooth/low-key about it, LOL.

There has GOT to be a line reading of her saying “fuck” somewhere in her long career where she’s basically hissing/spitting that one syllable out in a way that can be mixed/cut in seamlessly (especially with the amount of radio static and audio processing that would need to be applied) but she has acted for so long and been in so many things that I’d imagine the thing that’s prevented this from being discovered is… precisely that! She’s been such a successful actress that you’d have to comb through just a TON of work to find that one syllable.

That said, I do think it’d be a pretty satisfying hunt, because in all of season one, this is the sole fight Gilroy lost, and I would love for that bit to be restored, if only because it is more than clear he is not just building that speech to culminate in that shout, but that speech is the culmination of the whole SEASON. He is building the whole series up to Maarva shouting “Fuck the Empire” as the fuse reaching the bomb and exploding. “Fuck the Empire” is what literally sparks The Rebellion (capital T, capital R) into existence.

I see the “call to action” argument upthread and I know it’s been popularized in the meantime but that’s also kind of a misunderstanding of how “call to action” as a literary idea works, really. The whole speech is the call to action, dramatically. It’s not a description of the final line at all, it’s not describing the LITERAL sentence or line in the text that tells someone to go perform an action.

But anyway: Tony Gilroy knew what he was doing when he built the whole of the series, thematically, to arrive at that speech, and when he built that speech to culminate in that exhortation. And when Lucasfilm said “we’re censoring that” he fought it really hard (and refused to reshoot, resulting in that not-great overdub) which says that artistically - “Fuck the empire” is the better choice.

I don’t know - maybe if/when “Andor: The Complete Series” hits 4K in some special edition steelbook they’ll quietly have reverted the overdub.

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I know I want to hear the original take.

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Me too!

But that is all Fiona Shaw! No AI. It’s part of her saying Fight from the overdub as aired, and part of her shouting “Jug!” from her early 90s reading of The Waste Land by T.S. Eliot, (Part 3: The Fire Sermon) - which sounds close enough in tone and timbre that when slowed down, pitched up, processed, reverbed a little; and delayed, and blended together; and then THAT is blended with the radio static and crowd noise, and then THAT is diffused and moved into the fronts and rears (and delayed a little even more) - it sounds like she’s shouting “fuck!”

Hopefully, convincingly. Maybe! In 5.1 surround! (but mostly in the center channel)

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Broom Kid said:

Okay, how about this

https://youtu.be/P0kgfe3uK7M

I attended the world premiere of this last night on youtube - and enjoyed it (I was wondering if I’d clicked on the wrong link - or if it was going to be a joke 👍) - though thought you did a great job on it. Nicely done.

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Broom Kid said:

Okay, how about this

https://youtu.be/P0kgfe3uK7M

OMG! this is PERFECT!! Very well done, my friend!

(And so happy to see someone agrees with me about how it’s all building to that moment… great point about Gilroy knowing exactly what he was doing there)

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oojason said:
I attended the world premiere of this last night on youtube - and enjoyed it (I was wondering if I’d clicked on the wrong link - or if it was going to be a joke 👍) - though thought you did a great job on it. Nicely done.

Oh yeah that’s right, you can’t just post things anymore, when you hit “post” they “WORLD PREMIERE” whatever you made live now!

Thanks everyone, for the kind words about my editing of a bad one! It dawned on me as I was typing out my post that I didn’t REALLY need to find her saying the word. I just needed a clean take of her saying half of the word. And then I realized it didn’t even need to be the full word, because she’s Irish, so any number of words will sound like it, LOL.

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I think that works great in your scene edit! And I completely agree with your explanation post that it’s a powerful moment that should be included. I hope to see people start using this in their Andor edits in the future. Great work.

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Broom Kid said:

Me too!

But that is all Fiona Shaw! No AI. It’s part of her saying Fight from the overdub as aired, and part of her shouting “Jug!” from her early 90s reading of The Waste Land by T.S. Eliot, (Part 3: The Fire Sermon) - which sounds close enough in tone and timbre that when slowed down, pitched up, processed, reverbed a little; and delayed, and blended together; and then THAT is blended with the radio static and crowd noise, and then THAT is diffused and moved into the fronts and rears (and delayed a little even more) - it sounds like she’s shouting “fuck!”

Hopefully, convincingly. Maybe! In 5.1 surround! (but mostly in the center channel)

Nice work, dude.

Would “Feck the Empire” work better in that case? 😉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36wKlbgeTrk

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I don’t think that the eff word is necessary as her speech is powerful enough without it (to me, it actually feels like it takes something away from what she’s previously said.) But your work there is absolutely top notch - if it was broadcast like that, nobody would ever have known!

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