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Fair point.
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This is totally illogical. Just because someone is not reading it today or even this year, is not the same thing as burning the book. When you just leave it sitting on a shelf somewhere there is a chance that someone, someday will eventually read it. If you burn it, then no one will ever have the chance to read it.
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It could all just be a publicity stunt though.
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People can still buy them for $1 a book before they get burned. I may not agree with it, but he apparently can't even give them away. I would say that it's more sad that people are just now starting to buy them on the threat of burning.
It could all just be a publicity stunt though.
People can still buy them for $1 a book before they get burned. I may not agree with it, but he apparently can't even give them away. I would say that it's more sad that people are just now starting to buy them on the threat of burning.
It could all just be a publicity stunt though.
Yes, it could be a stunt. However, It's still a bad reflection on the way this country is. How many hours of tv do we watch in a day? I'm trying desperately to curtail my viewing time, and to increase my reading time.
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Yes, it could be a stunt. However, It's still a bad reflection on the way this country is. How many hours of tv do we watch in a day? I'm trying desperately to curtail my viewing time, and to increase my reading time.
Yes, it could be a stunt. However, It's still a bad reflection on the way this country is. How many hours of tv do we watch in a day? I'm trying desperately to curtail my viewing time, and to increase my reading time.
I disagree. I don't think this says anything about the state of the country. To answer your question, I'm probably down to an hour a day, since all the seasons just ended
Next Fall it'll be back up to about 2 hours a day, though it's usually spread out over a few days. I have a DVR, so I don't necessarily sit down everynight and get glued to the set. I usually reserve most of my tv viewing for the weekend.I think it depends more on what people watch. I don't watch reality tv unless it has some kind of educational content (Mythbusters!). Yeah, most people watch crap (American Idol, Survivor, Big Brother, etc, etc), but there is some fairly good programming on TV, like Discovery Channel and History Channel.
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I disagree. I don't think this says anything about the state of the country. To answer your question, I'm probably down to an hour a day, since all the seasons just ended Next Fall it'll be back up to about 2 hours a day, though it's usually spread out over a few days. I have a DVR, so I don't necessarily sit down everynight and get glued to the set. I usually reserve most of my tv viewing for the weekend.
I think it depends more on what people watch. I don't watch reality tv unless it has some kind of educational content (Mythbusters!). Yeah, most people watch crap (American Idol, Survivor, Big Brother, etc, etc), but there is some fairly good programming on TV, like Discovery Channel and History Channel.
Originally posted by: JediSage
Yes, it could be a stunt. However, It's still a bad reflection on the way this country is. How many hours of tv do we watch in a day? I'm trying desperately to curtail my viewing time, and to increase my reading time.
Yes, it could be a stunt. However, It's still a bad reflection on the way this country is. How many hours of tv do we watch in a day? I'm trying desperately to curtail my viewing time, and to increase my reading time.
I disagree. I don't think this says anything about the state of the country. To answer your question, I'm probably down to an hour a day, since all the seasons just ended
Next Fall it'll be back up to about 2 hours a day, though it's usually spread out over a few days. I have a DVR, so I don't necessarily sit down everynight and get glued to the set. I usually reserve most of my tv viewing for the weekend.I think it depends more on what people watch. I don't watch reality tv unless it has some kind of educational content (Mythbusters!). Yeah, most people watch crap (American Idol, Survivor, Big Brother, etc, etc), but there is some fairly good programming on TV, like Discovery Channel and History Channel.
Discovery and History, and Military, and all in that class make up a small minority of the available content (and let's be honest, American Chopper???). Think about what you're doing when you're watching tv..you slip into that receptive mode where all you do is soak up what's being sent to you. If you watched nothing but Masterpiece Theater (or something "educational") all day then I would say at least your content was good, but you're still just totally switching off your brain when in front of the tube.
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I'd kill to have a Barnes and Nobel in my town and I've been to the local used bookstore once.
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When I saw this on the news I wanted to go beat the crap out of that guy. It's a stupid stunt that makes stupid assumptions. Hey, dude, ever think that maybe the problem isn't that people don't want to read, it's just they want, I don't know, NEW BOOKS instead of used ones?
I'd kill to have a Barnes and Nobel in my town and I've been to the local used bookstore once.
When I saw this on the news I wanted to go beat the crap out of that guy. It's a stupid stunt that makes stupid assumptions. Hey, dude, ever think that maybe the problem isn't that people don't want to read, it's just they want, I don't know, NEW BOOKS instead of used ones?
I'd kill to have a Barnes and Nobel in my town and I've been to the local used bookstore once.
$20 says he hasn't even tried the right marketing with these things, I bet he would sell a crap ton if he took out an Ebay book store. Just because he has aall the book sitting in a wherehouse in Missouri that he can't sell, doesn't mean there is not SOMEBODY out there that isn't looking for the book. Put them on the net and open them up to the world.
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I just want to know why he's not recycling them. Burning them wastes the valuable resource of the paper. Recycling them, however, means more new books and new ideas can be generated from the material of the old. That is a model for efficiency and there is something poetic about it at the same time.
If he were prudent, he should, at a minimum, be listing these for a penny at Amazon, but I suspect nobody has shown him how. They'd move much more quickly and gross at least a tiny bit of income while not having to resort to the unpalatable tactic of book-burning.
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Discovery and History, and Military, and all in that class make up a small minority of the available content (and let's be honest, American Chopper???). Think about what you're doing when you're watching tv..you slip into that receptive mode where all you do is soak up what's being sent to you. If you watched nothing but Masterpiece Theater (or something "educational") all day then I would say at least your content was good, but you're still just totally switching off your brain when in front of the tube.
Discovery and History, and Military, and all in that class make up a small minority of the available content (and let's be honest, American Chopper???). Think about what you're doing when you're watching tv..you slip into that receptive mode where all you do is soak up what's being sent to you. If you watched nothing but Masterpiece Theater (or something "educational") all day then I would say at least your content was good, but you're still just totally switching off your brain when in front of the tube.
Except that when I turn on Discovery, History, or the Military channel, I don't just turn off my brain. I pay just as much attention to the History channel as I do to an episode of Heroes. Example, History was running a series called "The States". They covered Texas and explained why it's the "Lone Star State". The explanation I'd always heard is that they had something written into the Constitution that would allow them to secede if they wanted to. According to THC, it's because they went from being part of Mexico, to being an independent nation, to becoming a State. Pretty interesting stuff.
Watching educational programs is no worse than sitting and reading a book for an hour. It's not nearly the same as watching a game show or the latest reality TV program. Even Mythbusters is a pretty educational program. How many times have you been having a conversation and someone will make an off the cuff remark about some urban myth and you say "Mythbusters disproved that"? It happens to me all the time.
ADM, I'm not even going to respond to your comments. AFAICT, no one brought that up at all. I don't know if you were interjecting that as a preventative measure or what. I think it was a little uncalled for since I'm pretty sure most people here agree that this about this one guy doing this as a protest, not the government trying to censor books.
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ADM, I'm not even going to respond to your comments.
ADM, I'm not even going to respond to your comments.
And yet, you couldn't resist. Here I talk about great conservative topics like supply and demand, great liberal topics like recycling, and you latch on to the censorship comment and make a stink over it AND say you're not going to respond? If you're not gonna respond, then don't respond. But don't say you're not and then do so in the next breath. Jeeze.
Reality check, there are those who equate book burning with censorship. It's why I brought it up. It was indeed a preemptive statement, but in your desire to see everything I say as anti-everything-you-stand-for you just couldn't resist making out what I said to be more than it was.
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Yes, what this guy did was most likely a publicity stunt, but let's face facts. Think about how much time we spend in front of the tube (I don't CARE what it is), how much time surfing the web (non-business related), playing video games, etc. Does your reading time REALLY amount to more time than that?
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And yet, you couldn't resist. Here I talk about great conservative topics like supply and demand, great liberal topics like recycling, and you latch on to the censorship comment and make a stink over it AND say you're not going to respond? If you're not gonna respond, then don't respond. But don't say you're not and then do so in the next breath. Jeeze.
Reality check, there are those who equate book burning with censorship. It's why I brought it up. It was indeed a preemptive statement, but in your desire to see everything I say as anti-everything-you-stand-for you just couldn't resist making out what I said to be more than it was.
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ADM, I'm not even going to respond to your comments.
ADM, I'm not even going to respond to your comments.
And yet, you couldn't resist. Here I talk about great conservative topics like supply and demand, great liberal topics like recycling, and you latch on to the censorship comment and make a stink over it AND say you're not going to respond? If you're not gonna respond, then don't respond. But don't say you're not and then do so in the next breath. Jeeze.
Reality check, there are those who equate book burning with censorship. It's why I brought it up. It was indeed a preemptive statement, but in your desire to see everything I say as anti-everything-you-stand-for you just couldn't resist making out what I said to be more than it was.
Actually, it had nothing to do with "anti-everything blah blah blah". I just didn't see the point in even bringing it up.
I've been ignoring 99% of your comments in other threads ever since you sided with ID on the Conservative/Nazi comparison (I think I just Godwined the thread, oh fucking well), so it had nothing to do with "latching" onto this comment. What was meant that aside from pointing out how ridiculous it was to post your comment, that the original article and the discussion that followed had absolutely nothing to do with censorship and everything to do with one man being tired of no one reading anymore.
Get a grip. We're not out to get you. Jeeze exactly.
If you're stupid enough to not follow the link and read the story then you don't belong in the conversation. This is not geared at you ADM (universe doesn't revolve around you). This is geared toward anyone stupid enough to see the link "Book Burning" and automatically assume it has to do with censorship.
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Originally posted by: JediSage
My point in bringing this all up was not to equate anything with anything, but to "raise awareness" (God, I hate that phrase) about reading in general. How many adults would know who wrote The Idiot? Or Walden and Civil Disobedience? Or Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde?
Yes, what this guy did was most likely a publicity stunt, but let's face facts. Think about how much time we spend in front of the tube (I don't CARE what it is), how much time surfing the web (non-business related), playing video games, etc. Does your reading time REALLY amount to more time than that?
My point in bringing this all up was not to equate anything with anything, but to "raise awareness" (God, I hate that phrase) about reading in general. How many adults would know who wrote The Idiot? Or Walden and Civil Disobedience? Or Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde?
Yes, what this guy did was most likely a publicity stunt, but let's face facts. Think about how much time we spend in front of the tube (I don't CARE what it is), how much time surfing the web (non-business related), playing video games, etc. Does your reading time REALLY amount to more time than that?
So what? So we should all read more so twits like this can feel good about the country? What..ev..er.
As long as you're doing something that enriches your mind, who cares what it is. Playing games increases hand eye coordination. You can learn things from the TV. You can learn things by surfing the web. Reading is not the only way to learn things or entertain yourself.
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Except that when I turn on Discovery, History, or the Military channel, I don't just turn off my brain. I pay just as much attention to the History channel as I do to an episode of Heroes. Example, History was running a series called "The States". They covered Texas and explained why it's the "Lone Star State". The explanation I'd always heard is that they had something written into the Constitution that would allow them to secede if they wanted to. According to THC, it's because they went from being part of Mexico, to being an independent nation, to becoming a State. Pretty interesting stuff.
Originally posted by: JediSage
Discovery and History, and Military, and all in that class make up a small minority of the available content (and let's be honest, American Chopper???). Think about what you're doing when you're watching tv..you slip into that receptive mode where all you do is soak up what's being sent to you. If you watched nothing but Masterpiece Theater (or something "educational") all day then I would say at least your content was good, but you're still just totally switching off your brain when in front of the tube.
Discovery and History, and Military, and all in that class make up a small minority of the available content (and let's be honest, American Chopper???). Think about what you're doing when you're watching tv..you slip into that receptive mode where all you do is soak up what's being sent to you. If you watched nothing but Masterpiece Theater (or something "educational") all day then I would say at least your content was good, but you're still just totally switching off your brain when in front of the tube.
Except that when I turn on Discovery, History, or the Military channel, I don't just turn off my brain. I pay just as much attention to the History channel as I do to an episode of Heroes. Example, History was running a series called "The States". They covered Texas and explained why it's the "Lone Star State". The explanation I'd always heard is that they had something written into the Constitution that would allow them to secede if they wanted to. According to THC, it's because they went from being part of Mexico, to being an independent nation, to becoming a State. Pretty interesting stuff.
I'm not denying that things can be learned while watching tv. I've long believed that the people (myself included) who make the argument that television has a negative influence over children, etc cannot then say that tv can be beneficial.
HOWEVER, it takes more work by miles to read a book than it does to watch tv. If someone reads Dracula they have to imagine the people saying the words, and they have to imagine the castle. In TV all the work's being done for me.
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
So what? So we should all read more so twits like this can feel good about the country? What..ev..er.
As long as you're doing something that enriches your mind, who cares what it is. Playing games increases hand eye coordination. You can learn things from the TV. You can learn things by surfing the web. Reading is not the only way to learn things or entertain yourself.
Originally posted by: JediSage
My point in bringing this all up was not to equate anything with anything, but to "raise awareness" (God, I hate that phrase) about reading in general. How many adults would know who wrote The Idiot? Or Walden and Civil Disobedience? Or Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde?
Yes, what this guy did was most likely a publicity stunt, but let's face facts. Think about how much time we spend in front of the tube (I don't CARE what it is), how much time surfing the web (non-business related), playing video games, etc. Does your reading time REALLY amount to more time than that?
My point in bringing this all up was not to equate anything with anything, but to "raise awareness" (God, I hate that phrase) about reading in general. How many adults would know who wrote The Idiot? Or Walden and Civil Disobedience? Or Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde?
Yes, what this guy did was most likely a publicity stunt, but let's face facts. Think about how much time we spend in front of the tube (I don't CARE what it is), how much time surfing the web (non-business related), playing video games, etc. Does your reading time REALLY amount to more time than that?
So what? So we should all read more so twits like this can feel good about the country? What..ev..er.
As long as you're doing something that enriches your mind, who cares what it is. Playing games increases hand eye coordination. You can learn things from the TV. You can learn things by surfing the web. Reading is not the only way to learn things or entertain yourself.
You're right. Whatever. Keep happily becoming a drone, and buy all the shit they yell at you about in the commercials.
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You're right. Whatever. Keep happily becoming a drone, and buy all the shit they yell at you about in the commercials.
Originally posted by: lordjedi
So what? So we should all read more so twits like this can feel good about the country? What..ev..er.
As long as you're doing something that enriches your mind, who cares what it is. Playing games increases hand eye coordination. You can learn things from the TV. You can learn things by surfing the web. Reading is not the only way to learn things or entertain yourself.
Originally posted by: JediSage
My point in bringing this all up was not to equate anything with anything, but to "raise awareness" (God, I hate that phrase) about reading in general. How many adults would know who wrote The Idiot? Or Walden and Civil Disobedience? Or Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde?
Yes, what this guy did was most likely a publicity stunt, but let's face facts. Think about how much time we spend in front of the tube (I don't CARE what it is), how much time surfing the web (non-business related), playing video games, etc. Does your reading time REALLY amount to more time than that?
My point in bringing this all up was not to equate anything with anything, but to "raise awareness" (God, I hate that phrase) about reading in general. How many adults would know who wrote The Idiot? Or Walden and Civil Disobedience? Or Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde?
Yes, what this guy did was most likely a publicity stunt, but let's face facts. Think about how much time we spend in front of the tube (I don't CARE what it is), how much time surfing the web (non-business related), playing video games, etc. Does your reading time REALLY amount to more time than that?
So what? So we should all read more so twits like this can feel good about the country? What..ev..er.
As long as you're doing something that enriches your mind, who cares what it is. Playing games increases hand eye coordination. You can learn things from the TV. You can learn things by surfing the web. Reading is not the only way to learn things or entertain yourself.
You're right. Whatever. Keep happily becoming a drone, and buy all the shit they yell at you about in the commercials.
Sage, I normally agree with you, but seriously, shut up. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to read. I love a good book, but some people don't, and your acting all superior to those people that don't is only gonna piss them off.
The guy who burned all those books was an idiot because he's assuming the problem is with everyone else and not with his own inventory or methods of advertising, and hence wasted a bunch of books that he could have sold on ebay or donated to a Goodwill store/library etc.
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Sage, I normally agree with you, but seriously, shut up. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to read. I love a good book, but some people don't, and your acting all superior to those people that don't is only gonna piss them off.
The guy who burned all those books was an idiot because he's assuming the problem is with everyone else and not with his own inventory or methods of advertising, and hence wasted a bunch of books that he could have sold on ebay or donated to a Goodwill store/library etc.
Originally posted by: JediSage
You're right. Whatever. Keep happily becoming a drone, and buy all the shit they yell at you about in the commercials.
Originally posted by: lordjedi
So what? So we should all read more so twits like this can feel good about the country? What..ev..er.
As long as you're doing something that enriches your mind, who cares what it is. Playing games increases hand eye coordination. You can learn things from the TV. You can learn things by surfing the web. Reading is not the only way to learn things or entertain yourself.
Originally posted by: JediSage
My point in bringing this all up was not to equate anything with anything, but to "raise awareness" (God, I hate that phrase) about reading in general. How many adults would know who wrote The Idiot? Or Walden and Civil Disobedience? Or Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde?
Yes, what this guy did was most likely a publicity stunt, but let's face facts. Think about how much time we spend in front of the tube (I don't CARE what it is), how much time surfing the web (non-business related), playing video games, etc. Does your reading time REALLY amount to more time than that?
My point in bringing this all up was not to equate anything with anything, but to "raise awareness" (God, I hate that phrase) about reading in general. How many adults would know who wrote The Idiot? Or Walden and Civil Disobedience? Or Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde?
Yes, what this guy did was most likely a publicity stunt, but let's face facts. Think about how much time we spend in front of the tube (I don't CARE what it is), how much time surfing the web (non-business related), playing video games, etc. Does your reading time REALLY amount to more time than that?
So what? So we should all read more so twits like this can feel good about the country? What..ev..er.
As long as you're doing something that enriches your mind, who cares what it is. Playing games increases hand eye coordination. You can learn things from the TV. You can learn things by surfing the web. Reading is not the only way to learn things or entertain yourself.
You're right. Whatever. Keep happily becoming a drone, and buy all the shit they yell at you about in the commercials.
Sage, I normally agree with you, but seriously, shut up. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to read. I love a good book, but some people don't, and your acting all superior to those people that don't is only gonna piss them off.
The guy who burned all those books was an idiot because he's assuming the problem is with everyone else and not with his own inventory or methods of advertising, and hence wasted a bunch of books that he could have sold on ebay or donated to a Goodwill store/library etc.
I didn't realize I had a superiority complex by pointing out facts Chaltab. Nowhere in this thread have I suggested abandoning TV. I said it takes more work to read a book than it does to watch tv. Yes or no? I said that the amount of time we spend watching tv and other things amounts to much more time than reading. Yes or no? God, you guys are so f#cking sensitive about this it's unreal. I'm out of it.
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People can read or not read if that's what they want. While it's kind of sad that the practice of reading is declining (and that I don't read more books myself, heh), a book store owner's warehouse doesn't necessarily speak to that fact directly. I suppose I find his burning of books to be an interesting way to promote reading (if that's what he's doing it for). Otherwise, I don't see the controversy here. :\
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Sage, you're a classic complainer and you have a massive superiority complex. You think your opinions are better and your shit stinks less than anybody on this board. I've been saying it for ages, but you're quick to write off anything I say because you disagree with 95% of my politics. Now a bunch of your own homies are telling you this, and you're getting defensive against them as well. Truth hurts, but it's no grand conspiracy to cut you down to size. Seriously, go seek professional help. It may help you fill that "deep, abiding emptiness" that you recognize in yourself but refuse to take any advice to fix. Or, as Eddie Murphy would say, HACAASASTFU.
Sage, you're a classic complainer and you have a massive superiority complex. You think your opinions are better and your shit stinks less than anybody on this board. I've been saying it for ages, but you're quick to write off anything I say because you disagree with 95% of my politics. Now a bunch of your own homies are telling you this, and you're getting defensive against them as well. Truth hurts, but it's no grand conspiracy to cut you down to size. Seriously, go seek professional help. It may help you fill that "deep, abiding emptiness" that you recognize in yourself but refuse to take any advice to fix. Or, as Eddie Murphy would say, HACAASASTFU.
Nazi!!
Up yours leftist bitch.
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You're right. Whatever. Keep happily becoming a drone, and buy all the shit they yell at you about in the commercials.
You're right. Whatever. Keep happily becoming a drone, and buy all the shit they yell at you about in the commercials.
What are these things you speak of called commercials? 90% of what I watch is recorded onto a DVR. It gets recorded, then an hour or two after (sometimes a day or two), it gets watched. I fast forward through all the commercials, except for the occasional one that catches my eye as it's flying by (generally movie trailers and anything that has repetitive imagery). Even half of those commercials get skipped if they don't look interesting. I'd say I skip about 99% of commercials now.
I buy very little based on commercials. Most of the time if I do buy something based on the commercial, it's because I thought the commercial was so good that I want to see more like it. Even those things are generally quite inexpensive and it's usually only a one time purchase.
All that aside, just because some of us watch tv doesn't make us drones. It's simply another form of entertainment. Be it books, movies, radio, or whatever else. Some people get more pleasure from books. Some people get it from tv and movies. Both could easily be considered "drones". 90% of the books in any category are the same thing. 90% of what's on tv is the same thing. One is no better than the other. The only difference is that books increase your vocabulary and help your imagination. TV can do the same thing if you want it to.
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