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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit

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With 15 years of discussion and a thousand fan edit topic threads, it’s pretty amazing to see all of the fan edits that have been made here. It’s been interesting to see the additions, alterations and preservations made to these films, and how the fan editing process has changed and evolved not only on this site but overtime in general. Although I suspect the founders of Original Trilogy never imagined people would be sharing edits of Episodes 7, 8 and so on fifteen years after they established this website. Just like everyone thought it would all be over in 2005, it’s really unlikely that Episode 9 will be the final chapter of the Skywalker Saga. Despite that, the fan editing community has grown a lot since then, and I think that has presented a very interesting opportunity.

For awhile now I have been thinking about eventually doing fan edits for the whole saga once Episode IX has released. I’m sure I’m not the only one who has thought that either. When I think about this idea, though, my thoughts keep coming back to TFA Restructured. Even though Hal was the leader on that edit, it really was a big collaborative project and it was a really fun and exciting process to witness. Although I think it is sometimes simpler to do these on your own, and they’re usually for personal use anyway, the idea of a collaborative saga edit is really appealing to me.

In the past I’ve thought of this idea as a continuity cut. Basically this would mean, at its most minimal, to make changes to the nine films to fix apparent contradictions between them. Hal tackles one of these contradictions nicely in his Revenge of the Sith edit by having Padmé survive, which fixes the contradiction of Leia remembering her in Return of the Jedi. With this series of edits, though, that edition could also be introduced (with Hal’s blessing), or, the mention of Leia’s mother in ROTJ could be changed, if the group thinks that it would best for Padmé to die in childbirth in this particular version instead. It could go either way based off discussion and consensus.

But I also think a large collaborative process could be an exciting method to improve the films as a whole. We could go through the films as a group, suggest changes, debate on their merits, and get a consensus. While this pretty much happens on a daily basis in various threads, the decision still typically comes down to the single, primary editor and their personal preference since, in the end, they’re making it for themself. With this concept, we could give the project a set of rules or goals that we could base decisions off of, just like the Restructured editing process came down to what changes best served the objective. And if we can’t agree on things, it’s fine, because we could always take this edit and use it as a template for our own personal edits. I’m sure there would be plenty of things I would suggest that would get voted down, but that’s the point of this idea!

If we are all just going to make our own edits, then what is the point of a collaborative edit anyway? I think one of the strengths of this community is how everyone is so willing to help each other and share their work. But I also think that when we work together, we can accomplish even more than if we were on our own.

While I don’t think final decisions should even be made until Episode IX comes out, I think this kind of concept would be a really fun and interesting process to be a part of. I just look at what was accomplished with the Restructured edit, things I thought were impossible, and it legimately improved the film with seamless professional changes. I just think it would be interesting to see if this kind of process could be applicable to at least one of the films, if not the whole Saga.

While it’d be nice if these edits could stand on their own as pretty solid edits, this kind of project at the very least could be used as a database of various edits for the saga films. I know I’m being naive and this is sort of an ambitious concept (I feel like Anakin in the picnic scene). At the very least, I think it is something to think about. There are so many talented people in this community, and I think every single member can bring unique ideas and perspectives to the cutting room.

Despite our different opinions on the films, we all love Star Wars, and at the very least this would be another good excuse to get into very deep discussions on the nature of Star Wars and the films, and really break it down from the beginning to the end (for now)…

TL;DR: Who would be interested in eventually working on a collaborative edit of all nine saga films?

EDIT: Here is a list of general inconsistencies and plot questions I’ve gathered so far, some my own thoughts but mostly from across the internet. While I think a lot of these questions don’t even need edits, most could be explained,I figured I would put them on here so they can be addressed since they’re apparently commonly asked questions.

-The Phantom Menace-

Why does Obi-Wan say Yoda is the Jedi Master who trained him when that was clearly Qui-Gon Jinn? lines in question from ESB: “There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me.” and “Was I any different when you taught me?” /

Why do Jedi wear Tatooine robes? /

Why is the tech level so different from OT? /

Does the Rule of Two contradict contradict the Emperor and Vader trying to recruit Luke in ESB and ROTJ? /

-Attack of the Clones-

Why is Mace Windu the only Jedi with a purple lightsaber? /

Why was it never explained why Jedi Master “Sifo-Dyas” ordered the clone army? /

Why does Count Dooku just tell Obi-Wan the Sith’s strategy for undermining the Senate? /

-Revenge of the Sith-

If Chewbacca always knew the Jedi were real, why didn’t he ever tell Han? /

Why does Yoda run away from his fight with Palpatine? /

Why does the Death Star take so long to build?/

What’s up with Anakin’s yellow Sith eyes? Why does Anakin momentarily get them but we don’t see Dooku, Luke when he almost killed Vader, or Kylo Ren ever have them? /

-A New Hope-

How exactly is Leia a princess? /

Why didn’t the Imperials just shoot the escape pod? /

Why’d they hide Luke on Vader’s home planet and even have him keep the Skywalker name? /

Why does 3PO mention the princess on board Tantive IV, then doesn’t know about the princess when he is with Luke? / Ady handled this in original Revisited by removing 3PO’s first line on ship. He reinserted it in the Purist edition though.

Why doesn’t R2 tell Luke anything about the past? /

Why did Obi-Wan age so much between trilogies? /

Why didn’t Obi-Wan change his last name (Ben Kenobi) while in exile? /

Why doesn’t Obi-Wan remember R2 or 3PO? /

“Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough…”/

Why did the Death Star need to travel around the moon to destroy the rebel base? Couldn’t it just blow it up? /

Are stormtroopers clones? /

-Empire Strikes Back-

How did Luke get around the blockade of Hoth? /

Why does the Empire only disable the Millennium Falcon hyperdrive and not the whole ship? /

Luke became a Jedi by training with Yoda for only a few days? /

Why does Obi-Wan call Luke their “last hope” in ESB if he knows about Leia? /

-Return of the Jedi-

Where did the second Death Star come from? How did they build it so fast? /

What was Luke’s plan to save Han? /

Why didn’t Yoda and Obi-Wan just tell Luke the truth about Vader?

How can Leia remember her mother, when Padme died in childbirth? /

Leia is Luke’s sister? Incest vibes? /

“Obi-Wan once thought as you do…” /

Why does Vader suggest destroying the Emperor in ESB, but then practically be his lap dog in ROTJ? /

How can two trees destroy an armored battle vehicle like an AT-ST? /

How did the Ewoks have a dress in Leia’s size? /

How did Anakin know how to become a force ghost? /

Why do all the force ghosts appear to Luke as he knew them in his life, except Anakin? /

-The Force Awakens-

What’s the deal with the First Order?

Where did Snoke come from?

What’s the relationship between the New Republic and the Resistance?

How does Rey speak Wookiee? /

How did Poe Dameron survive the crash landing on Jakku? /

Has Han never really used Chewbacca’s gun? /

What happened to Finn’s blaster at Maz’s castle? /

-The Last Jedi-

Why does Kylo Ren’s scar look so different than it did at the end of TFA? /

Why can’t the First Order send another ship to flank the Resistance? Why don’t they swarm them with TIE fighters? /

Why isn’t hyper speed ramming more of a thing? /

Why does Anakin’s lightsaber seem to change color between the movies? /

This is what I’ve gotten so far. It might be a good idea to look for articles addressing plot holes within each specific film. While a lot of these, in my opinion, are nitpicky, it might help us to rationalize some questions and figure out which items really deserve edits. Let me know if you have any other ideas.

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Very interesting idea. I’ve thought of this hypothetically before. This could be good, though potentially problematic when ideas clash, which I’d definitely see happening. But count me in nonetheless.

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Nice idea! I could probably help out with some effects later. As you know, I helped Hal with Restructured as well as the “Padmé survives” clip.

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Needless to say, anyone may use anything of mine for whatever they want; I just ask that if you borrow extensively and directly that you acknowledge what you’re doing.
I’d say if this were going to move forward, RogueLeader would need to guide the process and set the parameters; we would likely wander aimlessly if we wait for a totally organic consensus to emerge on any of the particulars; you can’t do everything and not all ideas are congruent with one another.

If your intent is to edit all of the films for continuity, I’d actually suggest having Padme die in Ep3; it’s much easier to simply remove the dialogue from ROTJ. (For me, I’d rather alter the prequels than the OT.) I’m not sure that’s a goal that can be satisfactorily addressed, given how pervasive the serial nature of the series has been. Can Obi-Wan and the droids be separated throughout the prequels, for example?

I will say, TFA:R V2(.1) was a wonderful experience and the project ended up in a vastly better place than I ever had any hope for. It was driven by clear goals, though, so that’s probably a good place to begin with.
I’m happy with my saga setup of my prequels, whatever the best OOT preservation at the moment is, TFA:R, and my upcoming TLJ pruning. (And hopefully an Ep9 which won’t cry out for editing ala ROTJ and TFA.) However, if this project takes off, I’d be happy to join in and participate sporadically.
Although, and I say this as a joke, it almost makes me nervous that you’ll come up with a bunch of cool ideas and effects that I’ll regret not being included in my own edits which I refuse to return to. 😉

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Sounds like an excellent idea, I’d be happy help with basic editing work.

Though I wonder how much work would actually be necessary, if this kind of project would provide much more than has already been done in other edits like Hal’s PT and TFA Restructured? It would be interesting to write up some possible changes, including new ideas and things that would be copied from existing edits and see how those two things compare.

As you say, things can’t really be finalised until ep9 is out, but that’s no reason not to get started if enough people are on board 😄

Also, Hal’s point about having RogueLeader guide the project is a good one. Collaboration is great and all, but a project this large could benefit from some solid direction.

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This reminds me of the old ROTJ collaborative edit that was happening a few years ago.

I’d be happy to do some visual effects if they become necessary.

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I’m very interested in working on such a project! After watching Hal’s Episode 2 (The Approaching Storm), it fired up my imagination as to what might be possible with prequel edits. That version makes the characters and romance almost bearable, an impressive feat in its own right, and with a few more effects-heavy edits it could be improved even more.

Having strict continuity between all films is a good place to start with this idea, but could the idea be extended to apply to character actions and plot issues?

For example, in AOTC there are some real issues with characters acting inconsistently like when Obi-wan jumps out an open window after urging restraint in the previous scene.
https://youtu.be/KPt1am18lR4?t=22m51s
In imagining what could be possible with some vfx wizardry, we could have Zam pull up beside the window in her speeder and cut a hole in the glass, through which she would ty to shoot Padme with her blaster. Anakin runs into the room and deflects the blasts with his lightsaber, then he leaps out the window and grabs onto the speeder. He is knocked around a bit and pulls out his lightsaber, finally losing it. Then we see that Obi-wan is following in a yellow speeder, and catches the lightsaber.

An edit like this solves many problems, such as why Jango hired another assassin for this job (he doesn’t want to get his hands dirty at such close quarters), why Obi-wan acts so recklessly (he doesn’t, he just goes and finds a speeder like a normal person), and how Jedi can do such silly death-defying falls and still manage to keep track of a single small speeder in an endless city (all removed by necessity).

I have a few other ideas like this for Episode 2, and in a collaborative thread we could probably come up with many more. It would probably help to have separate threads for each movie.

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For example, in AOTC there are some real issues with characters acting inconsistently like when Obi-wan jumps out an open window after urging restraint in the previous scene.

And when Anakin falls from the speeder he says “I hate it when he does that.” AOTC Obi-Wan was such a hypocrite!

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I like your idea behind this Rogue! I do agree with others that there would still need to be direction to focus on the objections. Of course taking in as many ideas is good, just need the head editor to make the final choice that keeps the project going and on track. I have no edit skills but would be happy to bounce ideas off and look over things too. After the release of the final saga, a broad objective needs to be drawn up and then tackle down the details.

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Thanks for the interest everyone! Sorry in advance for the long post. I just wanted to go ahead and respond to everyone.

stickydixon said:

Very interesting idea. I’ve thought of this hypothetically before. This could be good, though potentially problematic when ideas clash, which I’d definitely see happening. But count me in nonetheless.

Yeah, this would be the biggest issue. I’m definitely expecting there to be heated debates, but I think if people keep in mind that debate is a part of the process and to not make arguments personal, I think it will be beneficial in the long run. I doubt there will be ideas that will require a vote, but it could always come down to something like that if it was necessary. This idea is still so nebulous that we may have to figure out how to handle decisive decisions as we go along. But that’s the fun part I think. If you have any ideas Dixon please share them!

Sir Ridley said:

Nice idea! I could probably help out with some effects later. As you know, I helped Hal with Restructured as well as the “Padmé survives” clip.

I appreciate that Ridley! I have to say the necklace addition really caught be by surprise. Great job on that! I’d love to hear your thoughts on any ideas you might have as well.

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Needless to say, anyone may use anything of mine for whatever they want; I just ask that if you borrow extensively and directly that you acknowledge what you’re doing.

Absolutely!

I’d say if this were going to move forward, RogueLeader would need to guide the process and set the parameters; we would likely wander aimlessly if we wait for a totally organic consensus to emerge on any of the particulars; you can’t do everything and not all ideas are congruent with one another.

Yeah, I could kind of act as a moderator for the project. If we’re not careful things could messy real quick, with imcompatible edits and overambitious ideas. We would need to make some sort of rules or guidelines to stick it. While it will be more complex than rules for one major change, I think having something written and laid out will make a big difference.

If your intent is to edit all of the films for continuity, I’d actually suggest having Padme die in Ep3; it’s much easier to simply remove the dialogue from ROTJ. (For me, I’d rather alter the prequels than the OT.) I’m not sure that’s a goal that can be satisfactorily addressed, given how pervasive the serial nature of the series has been. Can Obi-Wan and the droids be separated throughout the prequels, for example?

I think going back through each of these issues and seeing what realistically can be done would create pretty fun discussions. I do agree with you about the Padmé thing. While I would like to use Revisited as a basis with Adywan’s permission considering how many visual continuity errors he has fixed so far, I picture changes to the original trilogy being minimal. Mostly I picture it would be small dialogue changes that your average Star Wars might not even notice.

For example, a big continuity issue to me is Obi-Wan’s story to Luke about his father in A New Hope. While he obviously wants to hide the truth from Luke, some things he says seem more like blatant lies for no reason. While I think you could argue that the stuff he says about Owen could be resentment Owen developed about Obi-Wan during his exile. But “Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough” can really only be interpreted as a continuity error or a manipulative lie. With this idea in mind, maybe that line could be changed to “I wanted you to have this…” or “Your father would’ve wanted you to have this…”

Same for his line about Yoda being his master in ESB. It could just be changed to, “A Jedi Master who instructed me” rather than “THE Jedi Master who instructed me.” While, yes, we are changing the OT, I believe these changes are minimal.

This isn’t set in stone, but I think when minimal changes can be made, it might be the better option. I think the Obi-Wan and the droids issue could use more discussion!

Although, and I say this as a joke, it almost makes me nervous that you’ll come up with a bunch of cool ideas and effects that I’ll regret not being included in my own edits which I refuse to return to. 😉

Ha! I don’t think you have anything to worry about from this edit! And many future prequel edits will have you to thank for all of your changes and ideas. I think overtime all of our edits, including this one, will become outdated as ideas grow and technology improves for future editors. We are what they grow beyond.

Imhotep said:

Though I wonder how much work would actually be necessary, if this kind of project would provide much more than has already been done in other edits like Hal’s PT and TFA Restructured? It would be interesting to write up some possible changes, including new ideas and things that would be copied from existing edits and see how those two things compare.

As you say, things can’t really be finalised until ep9 is out, but that’s no reason not to get started if enough people are on board 😄

That’s what I’ve thought about too. There has already been a lot done to the prequels and the other films. I think we would should definitely look at what has been done before, but I also know I have a few ideas I haven’t seen before that I think could be considered, and I’m sure I’m not the only one who has other ideas. It’s an ever-evolving thing.

And I agree! I definitely think making a rule set or guidelines might be a pretty good start. Or just start throwing out ideas and having the rules evolve as we discuss, since we can’t real make any final decisions until IX is out.

snooker said:

This reminds me of the old ROTJ collaborative edit that was happening a few years ago.

I’d be happy to do some visual effects if they become necessary.

Same here! I definitely was thinking of darthender’s thread when I thought of this.

I appreciate that! I meant to tell you that your most recent posts have looked really great. I really liked the rebel fleet shot.

NeverarGreat said:

Having strict continuity between all films is a good place to start with this idea, but could the idea be extended to apply to character actions and plot issues?

For example, in AOTC there are some real issues with characters acting inconsistently like when Obi-wan jumps out an open window after urging restraint in the previous scene.

I have a few other ideas like this for Episode 2, and in a collaborative thread we could probably come up with many more. It would probably help to have separate threads for each movie.

I’ve thought a lot about this too!

Eventually I came to the thought that maybe Obi-Wan is a little more reckless than he likes to believe. He wants to be the perfect master for Anakin, but he was only 25 when he became Anakin’s Master, and he might be more brash like Qui-Gon than he thinks he is. So when he says, “I hate it when he does that”, I take it more as he hates when Anakin shows that he has inherited more of Obi-Wan’s more reckless traits than he would like, like jumping out of a window. I think making Obi-Wan choose to train Anakin rather than being forced to by Qui-Gon’s dying wishes could help with this as well.

That’s at least one interpretation, but regardless you do bring up good points about some of their antics in this scene being a little outlandish. But these kind of questions would be good for discussion! I would to talk about your other ideas too. And maybe separate threads for each movie would be a good idea. I guess I could put links to each thread in the first post of this one?

jarbear said:

I like your idea behind this Rogue! I do agree with others that there would still need to be direction to focus on the objections. Of course taking in as many ideas is good, just need the head editor to make the final choice that keeps the project going and on track. I have no edit skills but would be happy to bounce ideas off and look over things too. After the release of the final saga, a broad objective needs to be drawn up and then tackle down the details.

Thanks for the interest jarbear! I’m definitely going to moderate the project and mediate discussion as best as possible. I think the most important thing is to have ideas and perspectives to bounce around, so your input would definitely be appreciated.

And that’s what it really comes down to. I’m going to start thinking about what this broad objective could be. At the very least, we’ll try to tackle major continuity issues, but it could also be more specific things like Neverar suggested. Obviously improving plot and characterization like most edits do, but the ideas could range from changing prequel ship interfaces to be more OT low-tech, or trying to keep the runtime to as close to 2 hours as possible.

I kind of picture the guidelines being set up like Asimov’s 3 laws of robotics, where we adhere to one idea unless it interferes with another more primary rule. I don’t think they should be set in stone, though. So if we all really like an idea that doesn’t necessarily fit into the objective, we could still run with it if we are all generally on board.

Anyway, if you guys have any ideas regarding changes or guidelines I’d love to hear them. I’ll post some more thoughts on both later.

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Here’s a list of changes that I will personally try to include in my eventual prequel trilogy that I think could work in this project:

  • Obi-Wan doesn’t refer to Qui-Gon as ‘master’. In my mind they are both Jedi Knights and equals.

  • Dooku isn’t a sith, rather a fallen Jedi. He has a Blue or Green sword.

  • Darth isn’t used for anyone except Vader.

  • Vader’s name isn’t spoken and his transformation isn’t shown.

  • Anakin and Obi-Wan shouldn’t antagonize each other throughout EP II.

  • Yoda isn’t seen in the Prequel Trilogy until Episode III where he talks to Anakin.

  • The Trade Federation and the Separatists should be one in the same. Perhaps they are the 'Separatist Federation."

  • Neimoidians speak in an alien dialect/don’t speak in a grossly offensive accent.

  • Jar Jar/Gungans are removed entirely from EP I. Jar Jar’s purpose in the plot is to set up the Gungan battle at the end, which we have no emotional attachment to because is is thousands of mindless robots and thousands of unnamed Gungans. I say that everything Gungan related is canned.

  • Less advanced holograms/technology. I mean look at Luke’s room in EP II vs EP IV!

  • Palpatine doesn’t turn into monster mash on screen.

I can’t think of anything else at the moment. Can’t wait to get started!

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RogueLeader said:

NeverarGreat said:

Having strict continuity between all films is a good place to start with this idea, but could the idea be extended to apply to character actions and plot issues?

For example, in AOTC there are some real issues with characters acting inconsistently like when Obi-wan jumps out an open window after urging restraint in the previous scene.

I have a few other ideas like this for Episode 2, and in a collaborative thread we could probably come up with many more. It would probably help to have separate threads for each movie.

I’ve thought a lot about this too!

Eventually I came to the thought that maybe Obi-Wan is a little more reckless than he likes to believe. He wants to be the perfect master for Anakin, but he was only 25 when he became Anakin’s Master, and he might be more brash like Qui-Gon than he thinks he is. So when he says, “I hate it when he does that”, I take it more as he hates when Anakin shows that he has inherited more of Obi-Wan’s more reckless traits than he would like, like jumping out of a window. I think making Obi-Wan choose to train Anakin rather than being forced to by Qui-Gon’s dying wishes could help with this as well.

That’s at least one interpretation, but regardless you do bring up good points about some of their antics in this scene being a little outlandish. But these kind of questions would be good for discussion! I would to talk about your other ideas too. And maybe separate threads for each movie would be a good idea. I guess I could put links to each thread in the first post of this one?

Yeah, this would be a good ‘catch all’ thread for saga-spanning ideas, but I expect most of the changes would be contained to the single film.

I suppose one of the big questions out of the gate is whether this project would use deleted scenes, even if they were in standard definition. AOTC’s deleted scenes really improve the story.

I’ll hold off on making more movie-specific suggestions until there are threads for them, but in broad strokes for the prequel trilogy I’d like to see a more cohesive narrative with more understandable characters, even if it means taking some dramatic measures to achieve, since cutting the things that don’t work can take you only so far. I’m thinking along the lines of subtitling the Neimoidians and writing/performing entirely new lines for Jar Jar. Maybe giving more story importance to Naboo (that huge generator room should really have some purpose), and generally finding ways of framing the unfortunate aspects of the trilogy in ways that negate their terribleness.

I feel like the OT and ST are of lesser importance, simply because there’s less obviously wrong and there’s currently a horde of editors at work on TLJ.

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Interesting ideas!

For a lot of these discussions, I’ll probably be leaning more towards the less radical changes to the movies, for a few reasons. I love scouring the Prequel Radical Redux thread, but it seems like we rarely see the radical ideas come to fruition, usually because of how difficult it would be for a lot of those ideas to be implemented. And even if they could be, it would be hard for them to be seamless.

Also, a lot of the more major changes could significantly cut down runtime, and I think keeping the movies as close to the 2-hour mark as possible is important.

Then again, we definitely should still consider and discuss the more radical changes because I do think, for example, there is merit in changing the Nemoidian/Jar Jar dialogue because of how they lean towards stereotype. But personally, I think that would create too many subtitles even for a Star Wars movie. Redubbing could be considered, like it has before in other threads, but I think pulling it off seamlessly would still be challenging. Like I said, for a lot of these discussions I will probably be leaning more into the ‘less is more’ side of things. I’m also worried if we there are too many radical changes, the project would never get done. Would love other people’s thoughts on this.

Despite that, I actually agree, or have considered in the past, many of your ideas Snooker. Just to name a few…

  • Dooku isn’t a sith, rather a fallen Jedi. He has a Blue or Green sword.

  • Anakin and Obi-Wan shouldn’t antagonize each other throughout EP II.

  • The Trade Federation and the Separatists should be one in the same. Perhaps they are the 'Separatist Federation."

  • Neimoidians speak in an alien dialect/don’t speak in a grossly offensive accent.

  • Less advanced holograms/technology. I mean look at Luke’s room in EP II vs EP IV!

  • Palpatine doesn’t turn into monster mash on screen.

But all of your ideas would be fun to discuss!

Comparing Luke’s room in AOTC and ANH is a good example! Though one could argue that a lot of the tech on the wall just stopped working after 20ish years. It would be worth considering to make the room look one way or another in both movies if people felt it was worth the trouble.

This kind of fx work could possibly be categorized as secondary effects work. Meaning, that while these kind of changes would benefit the saga’s continuity, it isn’t immediately necessary to improve the narrative. So vfx work that was necessary to make the Starkiller restructuring work would be considered primary effects work, since it was necessary for the narrative change. So other examples of secondary vfx work could include making the prequels more low-tech, possibly adding Clone Wars-style Y-Wings to ROTS, giving Anakin’s lightsaber a consistent sound and color throughout all of the films, etc. While not immediately necessary, they would be cool additions.

Also Nev, I definitely think deleted scenes should be used! I loved Hal’s use and placement of a lot of the AOTC deleted scenes, and it also helps compensate the runtime since a lot will inevitably be cut. I for one had an idea regarding the ROTS deleted scenes that I haven’t seen suggested before. Don’t know if it would work or not though.

And I think it would be okay to talk about certain edits until we get other threads started up. I don’t think I should make nine new threads just yet. Still a little too early. Another thought, what about three threads for each trilogy?

As of now, there are some points I think would be useful for the project’s guidelines:
Continuity. Does this change help tie the movies together? Not all changes have to, but it’s a plus.
Practicality. How realistic or doable is the change?
Motivation. How does the change benefit the narrative? (a flimsy rule atm)

But I think we should still have enough levity for some edits just because they’re “cool”.

Some other things I think could be important are (4)seamlessness and (5)runtime. Seamlessness: can the change be made and still feel professional? Now, there could be radical changes to the movies, but I don’t think the movies should be completely redone, if that makes sense. I think the basics of each movie should be kept, mainly because I like the idea of somebody watching these edits and maybe not initially realizing it is a fan edit, just a lot better than they remembered. I do think maintaining a decent runtime is crucial, and it shouldn’t go under a certain length, because it being too short would make it feel not like a realistic version of the movie, to me at least.

I’m not saying that radical changes, like redubbing Jar Jar, or changing the end of ROTS so the movies can be watched in chronological order without spoiling the big twist, shouldn’t be done. I think any suggestion on here should be considered, discussed, and put through the ringer. If we can come up with a decent set of guidelines and have consistent voices of reason, then we hopefully can come out the other end with a great list of edits, both subtle and radical. This isn’t set in stone though, and it may vary depending on individual ideas. But I think these types of discussions are what makes it fun, and I think they’re necessary.

So I think these bigger questions could begin being asked.
What should the guidelines be?
Radical versus Minimal Edits
What previous edits to draw from? I think we should eventually take deep dives into past edits, incomplete edits and new edits and see what works and what could be added. Some editors and their ideas that come to mind: The Phantom Editor, L8wrtr, Q2, Hal, Octorox, Aalenfae, NFBisms, Dom. There are all kinds of edits for the Sequels being worked on now, so we’ll watch their careers with great interest. Shout out to DigitalModification, though, who I think has made pretty consistent, professional edits to the new movies so far.

Anyway, my opinion is just one opinion, and this should be a collaborative project, so I would love to hear more thoughts on this.

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Pre-Edit: You really should call this project ‘FROM A CONSISTENT POINT OF VIEW’.

I think this is a really noble goal and totally agree that it’s worth creating an area for discussing issues which span the saga, rather than those which are limited to individual films. I think this kind of thread is very useful for solving issues like Leia’s memories of her mother, or the kind of popular issues which Snooker has mentioned, such as only Vader being Darth.

I think you have a couple of major challenges:

  • The more content you include, the more potential edits need to be made. And bear in mind, as the universe grows, more content is going to be important for more people, thus worthy of inclusion. Some people could take or leave Clone Wars, but it’s increasingly being respected as a major part of the canon. To give just one example, now that we know that it’s likely that Ahsoka (probably the most popular non-movie character) may appear in yet another TV show, people may want Clone Wars to be included in this. Do we then need to remove all instances of ‘Darth’ Tyrannus, all instances of Dooku being referred to as a former Jedi, do we need to rotoscope his lightsaber in all instances from the Clone Wars? (I’m not saying those are changes which need to be made, but those are all things which have been mentioned in prequel edits to solve that one particular issue some people have.) If we decide Y wings should be in their ‘naked’ OT design, what happens if they’re all over the live action series with their full prequel armour?
  • So, you need to define the scope. Expansion beyond the Skywalker saga and era probably (but not definitely!) will have a lesser impact - Rian Johnson’s trilogy and the trilogy by the Game of Thrones team will probably not impact this era. BUT, this third animated show, and/or newly announced live action show, and/or additional Anthology movies, could reinforce elements of canon you may otherwise wish to excise. The Kenobi anthology might have him not shut up about ‘Darth’ Maul. The live action series or Han Solo movie might talk about ‘Darth’ Sidious and keep showing his ridiculous EpIII face.
  • You’re also limited by certain sources. I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure the majority of people will consider Adywan’s OT edits to be the ideal version of the OT, or at least the base template, due to its quality colour and fixes like the Wampa, the arm that gets cut off in the cantina, etc etc. But what if people really object to certain fixes he’s made? What if they really hate his Yoda lips? What if they have a problem with his new footage for the changed Endor moon battles? Even then, I’d assume people wouldn’t want to go back and use other existing OT sources, would they?
  • How much handwaving do we allow? “From a certain point of view” Vader killed Anakin. “From a certain point of view” Leia remembers her mother. “From a certain point of view” Obi Wan never owned a Droid. “From a certain point of view” Yoda trained Obi Wan.

Now I’m not saying I have the answers here - I’m just putting the questions up for discussion. But for me, for what it’s worth, I’d argue as follows:

  • To reduce the need to make ever-increasing changes, and to keep the project futureproof, the canon is largely the canon. Jar Jar exists, and talks in that horrible voice. Dooku was a former Jedi, and is now Darth Tyrannus. Luke and Leia are seen at the end of Ep3, and known to be Vader’s children. Yoda is seen throughout the prequels and Clone Wars as a Jedi. Other darkiside force users use Force Lightning. Prequel ships are high tech. Holograms are inconsistent quality, and sometimes colour and sometimes all blue. We can’t avoid this. The Saga is the Saga now - not just supplements to the gravity of the Original Trilogy.
  • As for Scope, it should at least be movies and TV. You could argue only movies, and that’s fair enough. But increasingly the TV is more canon, and that’s likely to continue. You could argue to add non-adaptation books and comics too. But I think you get into an area of diminishing returns at that point. Personal example: I enjoy the Phasma comic well enough, but does that mean we need to keep the line about the trash compactor in EpVII too? I think that’s a step too far for something I find grating.
  • Regarding sources, once we have identified our core objectives, we should identify the sources to use. And, perhaps, let those sources inform our objectives in terms of minimising work/adherence to our goals. I strongly think the Adywan OT should be our core OT - give or take any easily doable edits to them that we choose to add on top, like (for example only) adding the Imperial March to Vader’s Tantive entrance, or perhaps fixing Leia’s mother in EpVI rather than EpIII. Similarly, it looks very likely that Hal9000(+collaborators)'s edits to EpVII will be a viable template there.
  • I think the issue of handwaving things as a “certain point of view” is what we really want to minimise, a core goal of this project. You should be able to watch without going ‘wait, her mum was dead last time I saw her, better check Wookieepedia’ or ‘I’m sure I’ve seen Obi Wan with loads of droids, plus he knew R2, better ask my nerdier friend’. Ultimately, we shouldn’t be providing answers to these awkward questions - we should be avoiding awkward questions in the first place.

Where individual edits have fixed individual movies and improved their quality, and trilogy edits have sought internal consistency and sometimes also extra consistency with the rest of the saga, generally the approach has been that you can replace any individual movie with any fanedit (or trilogy of fanedits) without a change.

But now, what we’re proposing here is a more radical approach, where all edits in this project are consistent with each other, rather than able to be individually popped out. To that end, once we’ve established this project’s principles, I propose we use some identifier where we can say ‘this edit is a part of the FROM A CONSISTENT POINT OF VIEW (or whatever) project’. CONPoV can then be the principles, rather than the edits. If you want to buy into the CONPoV idea then we can present an index of edits (and even original unedited versions) which comply with the project’s goals. Maybe we discover that the original ESB or Rogue One is already perfectly consistent. Maybe Adywan’s ANH already fixes that film’s consistency issues. Maybe we even give edits a CONPoV rating. Then we’ve identified the films which need further work, and direct our efforts. And it also allows for users to create their own alternative edits (if they want to) which are still CONPoV consistent. In fact, if that all sounds a bit much, I’d be more than happy to maintain a spreadsheet of the principles we settle on and the degree to which existing originals and edits adhere.

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I agree with points from Eddie. If I say some things that already made by him, my apologies.

The grand scope of things, it makes since to make it as consistent as possible. Of course, there may be things that just CANNOT be fixed, at least in a quality-councious way. When it comes to this, some of it will have to fall under the “Point of View” philosophy. Granted, there are things that stretch that too much, and others ok.

For example, when it comes to Obi Wan in a New Hope that seems to contradict the Prequals, I am ok with that myself. He was pretty much hiding things/lying from/to Luke anyway. And some of his statements can fall in line with the “Point of View.” However, the scene with Leia remembering her mother COMPLETELY makes a plot hole. Personally, I would be ok editing that scene to remove that. Simple fix. Let’s be honest, that whole scene between her and Luke was a bit of a mess that needs some cleaning, which even Adywan will be looking at that for his edit.

I will say, in my opinion, not worry too much on the current Cannon or other shows. The focus should be on the “movie” cannon. Granted there have been good additions, such as characters/plots from Clone Wars, some comics, books, etc. But that would just add distractions. There would be things that would be too much work to try and make it work that affects the quality.

All in all, at the end I think the collaboration should focus on the quality of the movie. Essentaily a person watches it and believes it was something that was from Lucas/Disney. I appreciate some peoples fan edits where they make BIG changes and do their own shots/cgi/etc, but it isn’t polished.

That’s my two-three cents.

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I am not concerned about the TV show either, at least with regards to contradicting anything that’s done to the movies. If you start down that path of making sure every product conforms to a strict continuity, forever will it dominate your destiny.

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As of now, there are some points I think would be useful for the project’s guidelines:
Continuity. Does this change help tie the movies together? Not all changes have to, but it’s a plus.
Practicality. How realistic or doable is the change?
Motivation. How does the change benefit the narrative? (a flimsy rule atm)

But I think we should still have enough levity for some edits just because they’re “cool”.

Some other things I think could be important are (4)seamlessness and (5)runtime. Seamlessness: can the change be made and still feel professional? Now, there could be radical changes to the movies, but I don’t think the movies should be completely redone, if that makes sense. I think the basics of each movie should be kept, mainly because I like the idea of somebody watching these edits and maybe not initially realizing it is a fan edit, just a lot better than they remembered. I do think maintaining a decent runtime is crucial, and it shouldn’t go under a certain length, because it being too short would make it feel not like a realistic version of the movie, to me at least.

Good guidelines. So as a general rule, continuity would be the most important of these, correct?

If so, perhaps one way to organize this edit would be to come up with a set of changes that forms a subplot linking all of the prequels and beyond. There are many loose threads to follow here, such as:
1: What is the plot of TPM? What does the Trade Federation want? What is Palpatine cooking up? He is surely working on the clone army, what foreshadowing can we concoct?
2: What happened to Sifo-Dyas? How does Tyrannus fit into Palpatine’s plan? Is the Death Star a plan of the Geonosians, or something else?
3: Where did Grevious come from, and what makes him more than a random stock villan? If Plagueis was around in TPM, does that change the film?

You can see how most of these questions arise from confusion about Palpatine’s master plan. Perhaps the organizing principle of these edits is to illuminate this plan.

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NeverarGreat said:

I am not concerned about the TV show either, at least with regards to contradicting anything that’s done to the movies. If you start down that path of making sure every product conforms to a strict continuity, forever will it dominate your destiny.

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As of now, there are some points I think would be useful for the project’s guidelines:
Continuity. Does this change help tie the movies together? Not all changes have to, but it’s a plus.
Practicality. How realistic or doable is the change?
Motivation. How does the change benefit the narrative? (a flimsy rule atm)

But I think we should still have enough levity for some edits just because they’re “cool”.

Some other things I think could be important are (4)seamlessness and (5)runtime. Seamlessness: can the change be made and still feel professional? Now, there could be radical changes to the movies, but I don’t think the movies should be completely redone, if that makes sense. I think the basics of each movie should be kept, mainly because I like the idea of somebody watching these edits and maybe not initially realizing it is a fan edit, just a lot better than they remembered. I do think maintaining a decent runtime is crucial, and it shouldn’t go under a certain length, because it being too short would make it feel not like a realistic version of the movie, to me at least.

Good guidelines. So as a general rule, continuity would be the most important of these, correct?

If so, perhaps one way to organize this edit would be to come up with a set of changes that forms a subplot linking all of the prequels and beyond. There are many loose threads to follow here, such as:
1: What is the plot of TPM? What does the Trade Federation want? What is Palpatine cooking up? He is surely working on the clone army, what foreshadowing can we concoct?
2: What happened to Sifo-Dyas? How does Tyrannus fit into Palpatine’s plan? Is the Death Star a plan of the Geonosians, or something else?
3: Where did Grevious come from, and what makes him more than a random stock villan? If Plagueis was around in TPM, does that change the film?

You can see how most of these questions arise from confusion about Palpatine’s master plan. Perhaps the organizing principle of these edits is to illuminate this plan.

Just finished watching Hals’ episode 1 & 2, so it is freshly in my mind … For Palp’s plan at TPM, I think it was to seed doubt and uncertainty of the republic’s hold on the galaxy. Revealing the corruption/ineffeciency of the Republic due to the handling of the Naboo Crises.

Dooku sees the corruption and somehow gets connected with Sidious. Exactly when? Don’t know and we can’t really fish that out or portray that in the movie. For Sifo Dyas, he probably foresaw a future war/crises and takes it on himself to build an army in secret. With that being said, he and Dooku were united with the same view on the Republic and teamed up. Or it could have been Palps sending Dooku to manipulate or be a double agent for Sifo. They could have been close allies and Sifo could have revealed his plan to Dooku, or Dooku convinces him to make this secrete army. Heck, Sifo could have figured out Dooku’s true plans or saw Palps as the problem and was assassinated. Or it was Palps plan to make sure things stayed secret since from Obi-Wan’s conversation at Kamino Sifo did not leave the Jedi Order like Dooku.

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This is very well thought out, EddieDean. Thanks for taking the time to write your ideas out.

I think you make very good points. It feels very focused, and we have this obstruction (generally adhering to the canon) that can challenge us in creative but fun ways.

While there are radical ideas I’ve thought about and like, the stuff beyond the movies is becoming a significant part of people’s Star Wars experience. My family has watched The Clone Wars and Rebels, and I like the idea that I could show them these edits without them immediately contradicting the other material that they (and myself) like. It also helps make the edits “futureproof” like you said.

And if, for example, Sith Lords show up in an inevitable old republic series, they’ll more than likely refer to them as Darth, which would instantly make this edit incompatible, and ironically, inconsistent with non-saga material.

I also think this kind of limitation gives us a practical workload and tangible goals.

I personally agree with a “movies and TV” guideline. The Clone Wars and other shows are becoming big parts of people’s Star Wars experience, so I see the merit in trying to stick to them as much as possible. I would argue for this not to be an unshakable rule if there are ideas that benefit the films, and aren’t blatant contradictions. Books and comics shouldn’t be necessary to adhere to. I think the Phasma example is a good point, one that I think should be discussed at some point. Not necessarily a continuity issue but something that fans were generally disappointed with.

I also agree with Adywan’s Revisited trilogy being a prime source for the OT, as long as he’s okay with that. Not only are they the definitive Special Editions imo, he tackles continuity errors that I didn’t even realize were continuity errors, so I believe a lot of his changes fit into the goals of the project.

Also, for example, Y-Wings could be added to ROTS to help tie the trilogies together, as long as they are the sleeker, Clone Wars style design. I also would argue that some prequel elements could be given the low-tech treatment if they don’t blatantly contradict certain things seen in the TV shows. Because one could argue that the technology itself seems to be a contradiction between the films. I think some things would be worth discussing at least.

I think the initial focus should be on continuity issues and errors, but I still think it would be nice for the films to make narrative edits as well, even if they weren’t radical changes per se. This idea actually makes me think a lot of NFB’s prequel edits, where he was inspired to improve the movies by making the prequel characterization more in line with their Clone Wars counterparts, characterization that some prefer over how they’re portrayed in the prequels. I think this might be a good approach, and still allows a lot of room for creative freedom. I don’t think we should be bound to keep the movies exactly the same sans continuity errors.

I like “From a Consistent Point of View”! If not the name of the project, it definitely would make a good slogan. I think CONpov is a good abbreviation for continuity-focused changes as well.

I appreciate your thoughts too jarbear, and I agree with a lot of your thoughts as well. I think quality should be a good standard for this. So a change shouldn’t be implemented if it can’t be pulled off believably. And, the quality of the narrative should be a standard as well.

So Consistency and Quality should be standards. I do think the new canon should be a guideline, but a rule that can be bent, depending on how the change is handled.

I’ll try to make a example that covers one of Nev’s thoughts.
I always felt the Sifo-Diyas thing in AOTC was really unnecessary because it is information that never get brought back up in the films. It’s a clue that leads to nowhere. One potential edit could be to remove Sifo-Diyas being mentioned in the film. The Kaminoans could tell Obi that the “Jedi” ordered a clone army for the Republic, but don’t go into detail. Jango still tells Obi-Wan that he was hired by a man called Tyrannus, though. There is a clue. While Obi-Wan never realizes who Tyrannus is in the movie, we as the audience find out by the end of the film.

In The Clone Wars show, the Sifo-Diyas subplot is touched upon in the final season of the series and is given some long-awaited clarity. Would removing any mention of him from the film contradict the tv series though? Sifo-Diyas still could have been the specific Jedi that ordered the army, but his identity is really unnecessary information for the film, and could potentially improve the narrative of the movie as well. So someone could watch the movie and just assume Dooku did it, but it works either way.

I would like this kind of change because it doesn’t necessarily contradict anything, but it also helps simplify the plot of the prequels. So sometimes the simplest answer could be the best way to address these kind of issues. Thanks for bringing up this kind of stuff, Nev. I’d like to talk more about these issues.

Eddie, I’d love for you to make this spreadsheet you’re referring to! This would be a good start. I don’t know if this would be included in your spreadsheet idea, but making a list of continuity errors and contradictions would be a good idea as well, and see how many of those issues we’ll need to eventually address.

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If you can remove Sifo and the story from Obi wan in that scene in a believable smooth way, it would fix that. If it can keep the elements of a Jedi making the order and Jango keeping his line about Tyranus, the audience can make the connection that Dooku was behind it … He was a Jedi, and at the end of the film, he is teamed up with Sidious, so he is probably Tyranus (Again strictly based on “movie” cannon). But, for the entire canon, it is still vague enough to support the Sifo plot that is drawn out in Clone Wars.

I like that approach a lot … the execution of it is the key!

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I’m glad my thoughts were coherent and seem to have resonated. Jarbear and Rogue Leader, I think I agree with both of you. It feels like we’re leaning towards:

  1. The movies only are our single source of canon, with changes around consistency/simplification/clarity/quality
  2. The TV series are not, though we should try to avoid any major contradictions unless otherwise unavoidable. “Ohh, OK, Yoda discovered that Sifo Diyas was the Jedi who ordered the clones” - the TV series should be allowed to be optionally additive
  3. Other media are not

I’ll put a base spreadsheet together (free time permitting) once we’ve locked in some of the main goals and initial items. An example row might look like:

  • OBJ: Continuity > ITEM: Leia’s Mother > MEDIA: EpIII/EpVI > ISSUE: Explicit contradiction > NOTES: Dies in childbirth EpIII, remembered as child EpVI > CONSENSUS SOLUTION: Hal9000’s living mother footage to be included in EpIII
  • OBJ: Simplification > ITEM: Clone Origin > MEDIA: EpII > ISSUE: Complicated, name dropped and not referenced again > NOTES: Sifo Diyas name used in Yoda arc (S05E09-14) of TCW > CONSENSUS SOLUTION: Remove references to Sifo Diyas in EpII, imply Dooku, leave TCW as optional additional info

And then, for each item, I’ll also compare them each with a grid of all movies and fanedits I can get my hands on, and see how the existing content lines up.

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That is a great idea to make a list. Only because you listed this one for an example to work on, I would personally

OBJ: Continuity > ITEM: Leia’s Mother > MEDIA: EpIII/EpVI > ISSUE: Explicit contradiction > NOTES: Dies in childbirth EpIII, remembered as child EpVI > CONSENSUS SOLUTION: Hal9000’s living mother footage to be included in EpIII -or- Remove Leia remembering mother as child (remove dialogue). Padme dies EpIII

I add that as an alternate solution since story/plot wise it is better. It is strange, when you think of it, Padme takes one kid and “ditches” the other one. Story telling it is a bit better.

However, Hal and crew did a FANTASTIC job showing Padme surviving. kudos to Ridley adding the necklace so seamlessly with that scene.

I admit in general I prefer not touching the OT just to make the PT work. However, my views have changed, especially in this case since this project is to link ALL the Skywalker sage the best way possible. To be fair Return of the Jedi does need some editing, like the Luke & Leia conversation … and even Han’s portrayal after the Jaba Act!

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jarbear said:

If you can remove Sifo and the story from Obi wan in that scene in a believable smooth way, it would fix that.

I’ve actually attempted that particular edit before, when I first started getting into fan edits. While it wasn’t 100% seamless, it was closer than I thought I could get it. I think with some back and forth it could be doable. I’ll try to see if I still have that version, if not I could try to break it down later.

And all of that looks great Eddie! Thanks for doing that. I know these things have been discussed as nauseum on this site, but it’ll be cool to have a list like this. Could be useful to other editors on here as well! And I like jarbear’s addition to that, to have the optional changes listed. Should people just start brainstorming continuity issues to put on the list?

And yeah, jarbear, I’d also rather change the PT to accomodate the OT, but for a few of the continuity issues, all it would require to fix them would be to remove or alter a handful of lines (or literally change one word), and your average Star Wars fan might not even notice.

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I’d be curious to see a rough idea of that.

It may be possible to enlist the help of those who worked on TFA: Restructured who altered Finn’s line at Maz’s castle. It was done perfectly. Granted it was a lot of work and trial and error, but the results speaks for themselves. Lookint to Obi-Wans scene, if it helps, a few words/mouth movements that are needed for Obi’s lines to help that scene be seamless, that would pay off! Words and sounds could be used for that editing which can be found throughout that movie, along with content from Revenge of the Sith to use. Even other movies if the right sounds are not obtainable, though that can be a bit tough to have the sound of his voice match.

Here is another example of the same technique to help a possible continuity issue:

OBJ: Continuity > ITEM: Obi Wan’s instructor > MEDIA: EpV/EpI > ISSUE: Obi Wan in EpV says Yoda trains him; quote: " There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me. > NOTES: Qui Gon Jinn was his DEPICTED master/instructor > POSSIBLE SOLUTION: Change Obi Wan’s line to “…learn from Yoda, a Jedi Master who instructed me.” This helps open up that Obi Wan learned under multiple Jedi Masters. From prequels, there were plenty of masters who could have trained/instructed/taught different aspects of the force their were more “natural” at … be it meditation, light saber techniques, the living force, etc. With the proper mouth manipulation it can be done seamless since there is plenty of resources where he does make the A/Uh sound.

Granted this is a minor one which can be simply interpreted that Obi Wan was not going to bore Luke with the details. He hasn’t really been completely honest in all things with Luke anyway as well. Shruggy Thing

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I just want to chime in and say that, as burnt out as I am of at least 1-7, I’m open to contributing to this project in whatever form it takes. I probably will not closely monitor this thread, but please feel free to PM me to let me know there’s something I should take a look at or do.

In other words, I’ll be in my trailer.

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I’ll see if I can find it. Either way I’ll lay out the idea out later.

Very good point. We should definitely keep this in mind once a changelist starts forming, because this could be used on the Kamino Prime Minister.

Another idea I had that could use this technique would be when Obi-Wan first sees R2 in ANH. Instead of saying, “Come here my little friend” he could say “Come here my old friend.” He uses the word ‘old’ at least twice in the Hut conversation I know.
Not saying I want to do that, but it could be an option.

And thanks Hal! I’ll probably message you regarding technical questions, divisive issues or certain ideas I might have later. I’d appreciate your insight!
And keep those TLJ edits coming because they are looking good!