This is an older story, but it’s the first I’m hearing of it.
Evil cop tases an 11-year-old child and then makes racist comment to her:
The Person in Question
Originaltrilogy.com’s least favorite cop
passive aggressive
defends the murder of Botham Jean and condemns peaceful protest:
Lie. Since when is agreeing it was manslaughter and she should be in jail amount to a defense of murder?
Originaltrilogy.com’s least favorite cop
passive aggressive
Lie. It’s just an amusing moniker.
defends the murder of Botham Jean and condemns peaceful protest:
Lie. Since when is agreeing it was manslaughter and she would be in jail amount to a defense of murder?
He downplayed the suspicious circumstances and is pretending that it’s merely a tragic accident. It obviously wasn’t and is another example of cops getting special treatment. If I broke into a neighbor’s apartment and shot him to death, I’d be in jail for the rest of my life, most likely.
The Person in Question
Watching the videos now, but I’m not sure about labeling anyone ot.com’s favorite or least favorite anything. I run the site and I don’t even do that because I don’t speak for the forum as a whole, nor do I want people thinking we’re endorsing anything officially. I know that’s probably not how you meant it, but still.
That had to do with me. I linked to a couple of guy’s videos, so MFM had to make wisecrack here about it.
Originaltrilogy.com’s least favorite cop
passive aggressive
Lie. It’s just an amusing moniker.
bullshit.
defends the murder of Botham Jean and condemns peaceful protest:
Lie. Since when is agreeing it was manslaughter and she would be in jail amount to a defense of murder?
He downplayed the suspicious circumstances and is pretending that it’s merely a tragic accident.
He said the person should go to jail. That is not a defense of murder.
It obviously wasn’t and is another example of cops getting special treatment. If I broke into a neighbor’s apartment and shot him to death, I’d be in jail for the rest of my life, most likely.
She didn’t “break in” she thought it was her apartment and the door was open or somehow her key worked on it. I have not heard anything about her breaking the door down or breaking the lock.
As for how long she will get, we will have to wait for a trial and sentencing.
Watching the videos now, but I’m not sure about labeling anyone ot.com’s favorite or least favorite anything. I run the site and I don’t even do that because I don’t speak for the forum as a whole, nor do I want people thinking we’re endorsing anything officially. I know that’s probably not how you meant it, but still.
That had to do with me. I linked to a couple of guy’s videos, so MFM had to make wisecrack here about it.
Oh hell. You exposed us to the guy’s videos and I, among other people (Jeebus and suspiciouscoffee for sure, and probably others), hated his commentary. And we’ve made fun of him for it many times. That’s a crack against him, not you.
The Person in Question
Originaltrilogy.com’s least favorite cop
passive aggressive
Lie. It’s just an amusing moniker.
bullshit.
Thanks for reading my mind.
defends the murder of Botham Jean and condemns peaceful protest:
Lie. Since when is agreeing it was manslaughter and she would be in jail amount to a defense of murder?
He downplayed the suspicious circumstances and is pretending that it’s merely a tragic accident.
He said the person should go to jail. That is not a defense of murder.
He said she should go to jail for manslaughter. That’s downplaying the murder.
It obviously wasn’t and is another example of cops getting special treatment. If I broke into a neighbor’s apartment and shot him to death, I’d be in jail for the rest of my life, most likely.
She didn’t “break in” she thought it was her apartment and the door was open or somehow her key worked on it. I have not heard anything about her breaking the door down or breaking the lock.
That’s obviously BS. We know that those doors close automatically, and she said it was ajar. Witnesses say they heard commotion and heard loud banging on the door. It was a floor above her. Also, people don’t just walk into a wrong apartment and not notice it immediately. What happened to your stance on not believing people’s stories automatically?
The Person in Question
He downplayed the suspicious circumstances and is pretending that it’s merely a tragic accident. It obviously wasn’t and is another example of cops getting special treatment.
It’s this kind of thinking that I find disturbing. Accusing the cop in the video of “pretending” and saying that it “obviously wasn’t” a tragic accident are firm statements about a man’s thoughts that you can’t possibly know and a situation where you weren’t present. I tend to think the accused is lying, but I don’t know and I don’t think it’s obvious at all. Thinking she’s lying is my gut; it’s not evidence.
How many innocent black men have spent decades in prison because their accuser was certain and the prosecutor thought their guilt was obvious, only to be exonerated through DNA or recanted testimony?
Being certain about such things reveals bias more than truth.
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He downplayed the suspicious circumstances and is pretending that it’s merely a tragic accident. It obviously wasn’t and is another example of cops getting special treatment.
It’s this kind of thinking that I find disturbing. Accusing the cop in the video of “pretending” and saying that it “obviously wasn’t” a tragic accident are firm statements about a man’s thoughts that you can’t possibly know and a situation where you weren’t present. I tend to think the accused is lying, but I don’t know and I don’t think it’s obvious at all. Thinking she’s lying is my gut; it’s not evidence.
I have evidence. I have witness testimony. Evidence of the layout of the apartments such as the doors automatically closing and his apartment not even being on the same floor as hers, plus the obvious fact that people with functioning brains don’t enter wrong homes and not realize it until after they’ve killed the person living there and called the authorities to say they’ve killed someone in self defense (as she claims happened). That’s compelling evidence pointing towards her lying. The most favorable explanation for her is that she’s so belligerent and unfit to care for herself that she’s a threat to everyone in her midst. Even if that’s the case, it still is an indictment on the police force who found her to be fit for duty and fit to be armed. Mike the Cop, as always, embraced the police’s side of the story with no attempt to examine the context or the evidence.
How many innocent black men have spent decades in prison because their accuser was certain and the prosecutor thought their guilt was obvious, only to be exonerated through DNA or recanted testimony?
That’s totally different. They didn’t admit to committing the crime. They were framed and often convicted based on shaky, questionable evidence. That is not even remotely comparable to this woman’s situation where she broke into another person’s home and shot him immediately and then proceeded to give what may be one of the flimsiest and unconvincing excuses I’ve ever heard.
The Person in Question
Often wrong, never in doubt.
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Watching the videos now, but I’m not sure about labeling anyone ot.com’s favorite or least favorite anything. I run the site and I don’t even do that because I don’t speak for the forum as a whole, nor do I want people thinking we’re endorsing anything officially. I know that’s probably not how you meant it, but still.
That had to do with me. I linked to a couple of guy’s videos, so MFM had to make wisecrack here about it.
Dude. That post had nothing whatsoever to do with you.
Body-cam proves officer Jason Van Dyke is a murderer:
The Person in Question
Body-cam proves officer Jason Van Dyke is a murderer:
Police training teaches cops to meet knife wielding suspects with deadly force. 16 shots was unquestionably excessive, but you can bet if Van Dyke hadn’t shot McDonald, one of his fellow officers would have before long if he didn’t drop the knife.
I think the 16 shots is the most damning part. If Van Dyke only shot him twice, would he still be a murderer?
He’s a murderer because the kid’s arms were at his sides, he was not advancing toward the officer, and he was shot ten times after he’d already fallen. The murderer claimed that the kid was extending the knife toward him, approaching him, and trying to stand back up after being shot. All of those claims made by the murderer are lies. I would still call him a murderer if he only shot the teenager twice.
The Person in Question
He’s a murderer because the kid’s arms were at his sides, he was not advancing toward the officer, and he was shot ten times after he’d already fallen. The murderer claimed that the kid was extending the knife toward him, approaching him, and trying to stand back up after being shot. All of those claims made by the murderer are lies. I would still call him a murderer if he only shot the teenager twice.
Just because he’s a liar doesn’t make him a murderer. And it doesn’t take much time to rush toward someone and raise a knife, plus McDonald was already moving, so we’ll have to disagree on that part about him being a murder even if he only shot twice.
American police officers have one of the most difficult jobs in the world and I’m not sure how they can be expected to do their jobs if they’re not allowed to protect themselves from perceived deadly threats.
Also calling McDonald a “kid” is a bit disingenuous. He was 17-years-old and posed just as much a physical threat as any legal adult.
Just to clarify, I think Van Dyke should be in jail. Whether or not it should be on a murder conviction, I can’t say.
American police officers have one of the most difficult jobs in the world and I’m not sure how they can be expected to do their jobs if they’re not allowed to protect themselves from perceived deadly threats.
Not true. It’s not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs in America:
http://time.com/5074471/most-dangerous-jobs/
That cop was in no danger and he shot an underage person sixteen times needlessly. I’m tired of cops operating on a different moral plane than us. If I had done this to someone, I’d be in jail for the rest of my life for murder. This fucker should be too. Cops should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. If they perceive a deadly threat where there is none, then their asses should be in prison.
The Person in Question
American police officers have one of the most difficult jobs in the world and I’m not sure how they can be expected to do their jobs if they’re not allowed to protect themselves from perceived deadly threats.
Not true. It’s not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs in America:
I said most difficult, not most dangerous. Cops have to make split-second decisions that can make them either heroes or villains or dead. They have to balance their own safety with the safety of the public. I couldn’t do it and neither could you, but someone has to.
That cop was in no danger and he shot an underage person sixteen times needlessly. I’m tired of cops operating on a >different moral plane than us. If I had done this to someone, I’d be in jail for the rest of my life for murder. This >fucker should be too. Cops should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. If they perceive a deadly threat >where there is none, then their asses should be in prison.
So when is it okay for a police officer to shoot a suspect who’s wielding a knife? After it’s already stuck in the cop’s ribs?
American police officers have one of the most difficult jobs in the world and I’m not sure how they can be expected to do their jobs if they’re not allowed to protect themselves from perceived deadly threats.
Not true. It’s not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs in America:
I said most difficult, not most dangerous. Cops have to make split-second decisions that can make them either heroes or villains or dead. I couldn’t do it and neither could you, but someone has to.
I didn’t say I could do it. I’m just pointing out all of the hideous examples that are in this profession and how they almost always get away with their crimes.
EDIT: I should add, though, that I could easily get a job as a police officer. I’d be terrible at it, but I could get that job. That’s the problem. The standards are low and there’s next to no accountability.
That cop was in no danger and he shot an underage person sixteen times needlessly. I’m tired of cops operating on a >different moral plane than us. If I had done this to someone, I’d be in jail for the rest of my life for murder. This >fucker should be too. Cops should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. If they perceive a deadly threat >where there is none, then their asses should be in prison.
So when is it okay for a police officer to shoot a suspect who’s wielding a knife? After it’s already stuck in the cop’s ribs?
I think they should wrestle it out of the suspect’s hands, especially when there’s multiple cops there.
The Person in Question
American police officers have one of the most difficult jobs in the world and I’m not sure how they can be expected to do their jobs if they’re not allowed to protect themselves from perceived deadly threats.
Not true. It’s not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs in America:
I said most difficult, not most dangerous. Cops have to make split-second decisions that can make them either heroes or villains or dead. I couldn’t do it and neither could you, but someone has to.
I didn’t say I could do it. I’m just pointing out all of the hideous examples that are in this profession and how they almost always get away with their crimes.
EDIT: I should add, though, that I could easily get a job as a police officer. I’d be terrible at it, but I could get that job. That’s the problem. The standards are low and there’s next to no accountability.
That cop was in no danger and he shot an underage person sixteen times needlessly. I’m tired of cops operating on a >different moral plane than us. If I had done this to someone, I’d be in jail for the rest of my life for murder. This >fucker should be too. Cops should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. If they perceive a deadly threat >where there is none, then their asses should be in prison.
So when is it okay for a police officer to shoot a suspect who’s wielding a knife? After it’s already stuck in the cop’s ribs?
I think they should wrestle it out of the suspect’s hands, especially when there’s multiple cops there.
The idea that a cop should have to risk getting stabbed to deal with someone wielding a knife is ludicrous. If someone charges a cop with a knife, I have no problem with them getting shot. If the suspect is just sitting there holding a knife and refuses to disarm after multiple commands, Tase them and then disarm them.
After watching the video, there was no reason to shoot even once in my opinion, let alone empty your clip into someone who’s on the ground immobilized. That kid wasn’t making any threatening motions when he was on his feet and once he went down, he stayed down.
This is why I’m in favor of undefeatable dash cam and body cam footage (with audio) for all officers.
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American police officers have one of the most difficult jobs in the world and I’m not sure how they can be expected to do their jobs if they’re not allowed to protect themselves from perceived deadly threats.
Not true. It’s not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs in America:
I said most difficult, not most dangerous. Cops have to make split-second decisions that can make them either heroes or villains or dead. I couldn’t do it and neither could you, but someone has to.
I didn’t say I could do it. I’m just pointing out all of the hideous examples that are in this profession and how they almost always get away with their crimes.
EDIT: I should add, though, that I could easily get a job as a police officer. I’d be terrible at it, but I could get that job. That’s the problem. The standards are low and there’s next to no accountability.
That cop was in no danger and he shot an underage person sixteen times needlessly. I’m tired of cops operating on a >different moral plane than us. If I had done this to someone, I’d be in jail for the rest of my life for murder. This >fucker should be too. Cops should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. If they perceive a deadly threat >where there is none, then their asses should be in prison.
So when is it okay for a police officer to shoot a suspect who’s wielding a knife? After it’s already stuck in the cop’s ribs?
I think they should wrestle it out of the suspect’s hands, especially when there’s multiple cops there.
The idea that a cop should have to risk getting stabbed to deal with someone wielding a knife is ludicrous.
Why? It’s their job. If they can take him alive, them they should.
The Person in Question
American police officers have one of the most difficult jobs in the world and I’m not sure how they can be expected to do their jobs if they’re not allowed to protect themselves from perceived deadly threats.
Not true. It’s not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs in America:
I said most difficult, not most dangerous. Cops have to make split-second decisions that can make them either heroes or villains or dead. I couldn’t do it and neither could you, but someone has to.
I didn’t say I could do it. I’m just pointing out all of the hideous examples that are in this profession and how they almost always get away with their crimes.
EDIT: I should add, though, that I could easily get a job as a police officer. I’d be terrible at it, but I could get that job. That’s the problem. The standards are low and there’s next to no accountability.
That cop was in no danger and he shot an underage person sixteen times needlessly. I’m tired of cops operating on a >different moral plane than us. If I had done this to someone, I’d be in jail for the rest of my life for murder. This >fucker should be too. Cops should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. If they perceive a deadly threat >where there is none, then their asses should be in prison.
So when is it okay for a police officer to shoot a suspect who’s wielding a knife? After it’s already stuck in the cop’s ribs?
I think they should wrestle it out of the suspect’s hands, especially when there’s multiple cops there.
The idea that a cop should have to risk getting stabbed to deal with someone wielding a knife is ludicrous.
Why? It’s their job. If they can take him alive, them they should.
While I agree that it’s their job to protect the public and that includes suspects in their care, I don’t agree that it’s their job to risk their safety in a potentially deadly way in order to subdue a suspect who fails to heed their instructions. Besides, cops wrestling suspects to the ground doesn’t have such a great track record either. That’s why I said Tase them if they fail to comply. Tasers can be abused, of course, and they’ve led to deaths, so there should be specific scenarios under which they’re deemed acceptable, but Tasing seems like a reasonable middle ground between letting a suspect wander around freely and lunging at them to disarm them. Stun them and cuff them before anything really bad happens.
In this scenario, I think they could’ve let the dude continue walking along and tried to talk him down until he agreed to surrender peacefully, and if that goes on too long or they encounter other civilians who might be put in danger, Taser. Someone on the radio asked if anyone in the vicinity had a Taser, which shocked me because I would’ve assumed they were standard issue for all officers.
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I agree more or less, except I do think that cops should be expected to risk their lives unless their death would be a near-certainty.
The Person in Question
I agree more or less, except I do think that cops should be expected to risk their lives unless their death would be a near-certainty.
How do we assess that in the heat of the moment, and is it fair to judge afterward without having been there to experience it ourselves?
You’re right to point out that being a cop isn’t even close to the most dangerous job in the U.S., but pleasehello is also right about cops having to make split-second decisions that are judged by those far removed from the incident by watching a video over and over and picking apart every decision (many of which aren’t conscious, but training or human reflex).
That’s why I think clear, simple policies are best, where tackling and subduing are replaced with non-lethal methods that incapacitate the suspect and keep the officer away from them as much as possible. Both cops and suspects would be better off.
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Murderous cop found guilty of murder:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/05/us/jason-van-dyke-laquan-mcdonald-verdict/index.html
Hopefully this indicates that more cops that abuse their power will end up convicted and behind bars.
The Person in Question