C3PX said:
We are still living in that fear to this day.
well, you did just say this:
C3PX said:I was expecting something of even greater magnitude to be hitting any day (as I am once again at this very moment),
in light of that, I'd say it is pretty reasonable to be on are guard at airports and stuff.
Warbler said:
C3PX said:I was expecting something of even greater magnitude to be hitting any day (as I am once again at this very moment),
what are you expecting?
Another attack.
C3PX said:
and was actually fairly relieved as the death toll continued to shrink. It could have been a lot worse.
3000 is not what I call a small death toll.
But considering 50,000 people worked in those buildings, plus the number of people on the planes, only 3,000 dying in the attack over all is incredibly remarkable.
C3PX said:
I got angry emails from my old friends back home,
if its not too personal, why were they angry at you?
They were not angry at me. They were angry about the attacks.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
I was too, weren't you?
A B C said:
C3PX said:
... This wasn't our first terror attack from the now infamous Al Qaeda.I can't believe what I'm reading here... I haven't seen the least evidence of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_1993_bombings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_al-Qaeda_attacks
As further reply though I could only suggest people taking a look at the courageous and serious investigation work(s) I have mentioned in my first post above. Not something I'd discuss here (due to my poor language, and also due to the original purpose of this site). I'm only throwing the bottle.
I have looked at quite a few "courageous investigations" of 9/11 conspiracies, and have never seen anything more than sensationalized wishful thinking.
However, I am always interested in keeping an open mind and reading more. Mind handing the bottle my way via PM with a few links?
Warbler said:
I was too, weren't you?
No. It was going to happen sooner or later, we had been given warnings, it wasn't even the first time it happened. I mean, I wasn't happy about what happened, but I wasn't angry in the bloodthirsty kind of way that I was finding in my email's inbox everyday. I found their torch and pitchfork attitudes kind of unsettling. I didn't see much point in being angry, I was expecting a dirty bomb sooner or later with more than 50,000 dead. 3,000 out of 50,000+ is downright amazing. I still say we got lucky. But again, not saying I didn't find it upsetting. Anger just wasn't my emotional response to it, and I didn't find it to be a very productive emotional response.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
please keep the truther nonsense out of this thread.
C3PX said:
Warbler said:
I was too, weren't you?
No. It was going to happen sooner or later, we had been given warnings, it wasn't even the first time it happened. I mean, I wasn't happy about what happened, but I wasn't angry in the bloodthirsty kind of way that I was finding in my email's inbox everyday. I found their torch and pitchfork attitudes kind of unsettling. I didn't see much point in being angry, I was expecting a dirty bomb sooner or later with more than 50,000 dead. 3,000 out of 50,000+ is downright amazing. I still say we got lucky. But again, not saying I didn't find it upsetting. Anger just wasn't my emotional response to it, and I didn't find it to be a very productive emotional response.
still not sure what is wrong with being angry that 3000 innocent people were murdered. Even if it was expected, I still think I have the right to be angry at the people who did and want them to pay for their crimes.
Sure, not saying you didn't have a right to be. Just said it wasn't my natural emotional response to the situation, and that the blood-lust shinning forth through emails from my friends back in the states kind of disturbed me.
Had I lived in the country at that time, and been in a city as close to NY as you were, I might have felt more like you did.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
- Edited: wrong forum.
You seemed to be referring to some amazing bold look into the events which most people are not aware of. I will just have to assume that the "truther" stuff Warb mentioned is the sort of thing you are referring to, in which case, I have already heard all the arguments. If I google search it myself, all I will find are the likes of Rosie O'Donnell shouting about how "fire doesn't melt steel", which made her sound even more ridiculous than the poor woman usually did.
When doing research, documentaries are the absolute worse way to find information. They are always a bunch of smoke and mirrors providing half truths in order to make their point to their viewers. It is essentially listening to a single voice for a duration, and being asked to take your stance based on that. Even the opponents of the idea that may appear in a fair and balanced documentary are at the mercy of the editor for their words to show through in the manner they intended them to be heard when they spoke them. Not to mention, you linked to a TV show that also exposed government UFO cover ups. Makes it hard to take seriously. Not to say I don't agree with somethings said about the national banks, but I think a lot of people take it to comedic proportions.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
again, could we please keep that nonsense out of here? create another thread and talk about it there if you have to, but please keep it out of here.
Sorry, Warb.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
- Edited: wrong forum.
I had a warehousing job at the time. We really were dependent on the boss's old boom-box to hear what was going on. The details were rather sketchy of what was going on early on. We thought it was an accident at first so we went back to work until the boss called us back in an hour later. I didn't get to see the footage until I got home that night. I still can't watch it without being a little sick, and a little angry.
I spent the morning in peaceful thought and meditation. On the way home, I was a little saddened that one on the local hotels didn't have their flags at half mast. I'm gonna send them a letter.
I then spent some time with my brother who is in the Air Force. I really appreciate his service.
All in all, I spent a good day with family and in thanksgiving. I'm a bit sad it took such a horrific tragedy to appreciate all I have, but I was not going to let the day get by without using it in the way that is best for me.
I know Warbler is ignoring me but I don't won't derail his thread so all I will say is I believe that dismissing every speculation as to alternate routes of investigation into these events as nonsense is nonsense.
The official story has enormous holes in it which haven't been filled with reliable data.
Being skeptical is not the same as being paranoid.
I don't believe in a conspiracy theory of history, more a chaotic cock-up of conflicting conspiracies theory of history myself but let's not fool ourselves that Governments and secret service agents in cahoots with powerful financial backers couldn't and wouldn't kill it own citizens on such a scale (just look at WWI).
Consecutive US Governments had built up what would later become the Taliban and replicated the mistakes of Russia and Britain before them. It's the same mistake they made with Saddam.
Foreign policy decisions by Britain and then the US have contributed to the Middle East's antagonism towards the West, especially revolving around the Crusader state of Israel (aka Hitler's last laugh) and the displaced people of Palestine.
The official story would be plausible enough if it wasn't for the conjunction of PNAC and the bizarre physics involved in the collapse of those buildings.
Our armed forces should be deployed defending our borders not interfering in the politics of other countries.
If we have signed treaties of mutual defense they should be honoured but the money wasted on empire building is much better spent at home or as aid for other nations in true poverty instead of acting like international oil pirates.
Unfortunately nowadays, the ability to ask yourself the good questions and to try finding the right answers has been left to little children.
Huh? What "holes" does the official story have?
what part of this:
Warbler said:
again, could we please keep that nonsense out of here? create another thread and talk about it there if you have to, but please keep it out of here.
do we not understand????
The nonsense bit which you could read if I wasn't on ignore.
I haven't responded here to Ash's request for clarification out of respect for spirit of your request but the actual wording of your request should not stand unchallenged.
The problem with asking questions on this subject and getting answers which make sense, is you have to wade through a lot of nonsense on both sides but asking questions and seeking answers is not in itself nonsense.
fine, do what you want with this thread. I had hoped that certain people could show a little respect. Not sure why I thought that. I'm done with this thread. Do as you wish.
We are showing the upmost respect, all of us.
I may not agree with the conspiracy theories regarding 9/11, but I don't think people that do agree with them are being disrespectful.
Frankly, I feel that blatantly refusing to allow those people to talk about their views on the subject, and calling the mere idea of those views "nonsense," is more disrespectful.
But that's just me.
ChainsawAsh said:
Frankly, I feel that blatantly refusing to allow those people to talk about their views on the subject, and calling the mere idea of those views "nonsense," is more disrespectful.
perhaps you missed the underlined part?
Warbler said:
again, could we please keep that nonsense out of here? create another thread and talk about it there if you have to, but please keep it out of here.
I wasn't refusing to allow them the ability to talk about it, I don't have the power to do that. I was asking them to not talk about it here, in this thread. They could talk about it in the political thread, Bingowings' political thread, or created a new thread. I would have been fine with that. But no, they post here.
They(Bingowings, and ABC) brought it up here cause they knew it would annoy me.
Warbler said:
fine, do what you want with this thread. I had hoped that certain people could show a little respect. Not sure why I thought that. I'm done with this thread. Do as you wish.
Nah, I'd agree wholeheartedly with Warb here. There's no doubt Islamofacists took down the towers so how could there be "holes" in this story? BTW, I believe it is disrespectful to those who lost their loved one that horrible day.
Warbler you failed to comprehend the posts made on here.
Everyone posted memories of the day in a totally respectful manner.
No jokes, no gifs or pictures just genuine memories of that day.
If you wanted this to be just a 9/11 memorial page all you had to do was say"I want this page to be purely memories of that occasion but instead you reduced A B C and C3PX's posts down to 'truther nonsense".
You know how divisive that language is and it had no place here all that was responded to was that phrase nothing else.
Warbler you are allowing your paranoia to get the better of you again read the posts.
Ferris it's probable that you are right as I indicated the official account, if it's 100% accurate is an understandable though indefensible consequence of consecutive mishandlings of policy in that region by several nations over a long period of history but it's also possible that you are not entirely correct.
There was a lot of money made out of this terrible event and a lot of pre 9-11 sabre rattling.
The progressive collapse hypothesis is disputed by many reputable engineers and experts and does not account for the near identical collapse pattern of building 7.
That's not lizard men or New World Order nonsense, it's an area of serious doubt over the worst non-state sanctioned terrorist incident in history.
It's not disrespectful to ask questions in this instance it's disrespectful not to ask questions.
I didn't want to debate these issues here and I wouldn't have but when Warbler dismissed the whole issue of asking questions of that nature as nonsense in the terms he did I wasn't going to just sit on my hands and hum.
This event wasn't an act of nature, these deaths and the deaths that followed didn't happen by accident.
You can't discuss them in the same way as the Kobe Earthquake.
While I personally don't believe that discussing alternate theories is either "nonsense" or in any way disrespectful to those who died, I also concede that this is Warbler's thread, he's made it clear he doesn't want such talk in the thread that he made, and it's disrespectful to him to keep pushing it.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.