DrDre said:
I personally feel some of your corrections look a little washed out, as if colors are missing. I also think you might elaborate a bit on the concept of “the wrong hue”. You have used this phrase more often in the past, and it makes it seem like there’s some clear definition of what is the “right hue”. In principle there can be any number of hues, and not one of them is wrong or right. However, I would say in the type of correction I’m going for the most important considerations are the colors of the original photography, and whatever effects may have been added to get to the original color timing was as seen in cinemas.
I am fine with your opinion on the “washed out” really what i am trying to figure out is what is causing the pink faces or deep red faces.
So i am not attempting to recreate the color of a print but try to understand what is causing say tarkin having pink rings around his eyes. This would come down to either being oversaturated or not enough level. But when I say in the wrong hue, I mean that the film or re-production print has shifted away from what it would have looked like in reality. You can see this happen on different scales througout the fim as in a certain thing might be red then pink or blue then purple. The shifting happens around red / yellow and then blue / purple which results in either stronger Green or Magenta on various scales. This means that the film is fluctuating and shifting and only because we say know that say an x-wing is painted red we know that when it’s pink or even a bit fluroscent at times something is up, and there is a very clear problem that you can choose to forget about because you know the x-wing has red paint but it’s pink or you can also say well if it is actually red paint and the film is imposing a problem because either an error it’s old and faded or it’s just messed up through perhaps a byproduct or bluescreen or what ever it may be, you can be fourthright and say well it’s meant to be red so let’s make sure it is red and not pink because it is in the “wrong hue”. But you can obviously also see in faces the Magenta byproduct of the blue shifting. Green bleed in the shadows from the red shifting. So I hope that explains what I mean. This byproduct does not carry any creative intention it’s just a byproduct mess with no artistic flavour I don’t really put much trust in film prints to be accurate from that era,
I don’t mind what people strive for but I kind of separate the wheat from the chaff on this and ignore the fluctuations and hue shifts and right them off as not intentional non artistic by products. Film Studios also fix older films on new transfers that display this problem on older transfers of hue shifting because “the film” is actually over righting the artistic intention and through the nature of film self imposing it’s byproduct and being askew for what ever reason against the director and crews will.
In short it came out looking wrong in a way it was not meant to.
Also bear in mind the master print that a re-production in those days may also be quite different to what was actually intended. It’s a byproduct or a sign of the times. Got quite a bit better by the 80’s though.
