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dahmage said:

It’s a grainy film.

And I’m not saying that the team did a perfect job because I’m sure they didn’t, but the majority of the color issues are inherent in the print.

If you want a SE of this I think you know where you can buy one

I mean, I only brought it up because they’ve outright said they’re doing a DNR’d version. Also, any print is inherently going to have a higher level of grain than what’s on the negative, so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to desire a version that attempts to remove a little grain.

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It’s going to be available on a.b.starwars and mega links at some point I would assume. Public torrents usually show up at some point as well.

Patience.

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dahmage said:

It’s going to be available on a.b.starwars and mega links at some point I would assume. Public torrents usually show up at some point as well.

Patience.

FYI, 4k77 1080p is being upped in a.b.starwars right now.

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b0bafett said:

dahmage said:

It’s going to be available on a.b.starwars and mega links at some point I would assume. Public torrents usually show up at some point as well.

Patience.

FYI, 4k77 1080p is being upped in a.b.starwars right now.

Lol, I guess being vague isn’t in vogue

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Binsearch shows something… Tell your friends

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I have a few questions: what was the goal regarding the color grading? In the 4K77 blog, there are videos of both Technicolor prints, (the one Lucasfilm and Mike Verta has used and the cleaner one with worse colors), and the latter one was the main source for 4K77. So the idea was to mimic the look of a typical/ideal Technicolor print, or one of the prints used for 4K77? In which context (when screened in a cinema or dark room with 70s bulbs, in a bright living room)? I am curious about the blacks here (specially in many space shots), was it a limitation of the print used or what? I’m not criticising 4K77, the restoration looks amazing and for me it’s now THE version of Star Wars to watch, I’d like to know the technical details if it can be shared.

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To be able to compare 4k77 with other editions of Star Wars, I took the frame 5032 (GOUT-synced) of 13 versions: 4k77 (2160p), SilverScreen Edition 1.6 (1080p), BluRay (1080p), Despecialized Edition 2.7 (720p), GOUT DVD (720p), 16mm (480p), LD 1995, LD 1993, LD Mitsubishi, VCD, 8mm, HBO broadcast, VHS.

I adjusted the proportions of each version so that they fit and the comparison is visually effective.

The result is available here : http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/FBMFNNNU and here: https://imgur.com/a/cJpgzaJ

4k77
4k77

SSE1.6
SSE 1.6

BR
BR

DeEd 2.7
DeEd 2.7

GOUT DVD
GOUT DVD

16mm Puggo Grande
16mm Puggo Grande

LD 1995 THX
LD 1995 PAL THX

LD 1993
LD 1993 PAL

LD Mitsubishi
LD Mitsubishi SWE

VCD
VCD

8mm
8mm

HBO broadcast 1983
HBO 1983

VHS
VHS

In my opinion, the accuracy of the 4k77 version is similar to Blu-Ray. 4k is not really sharper than 2k (4k does not help much given the grain on the film).

This new 4k77 version has very natural and less aggressive colors than the BR or the DeEd 2.7, but the SiverScreen Edition(TN1) is still my favorite because it is less cropped and keeps the full width of the film (there is 11% more image than on the 4k77 version).

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GZK8000 said:

I have a few questions: what was the goal regarding the color grading? In the 4K77 blog, there are videos of both Technicolor prints, (the one Lucasfilm and Mike Verta has used and the cleaner one with worse colors), and the latter one was the main source for 4K77. So the idea was to mimic the look of a typical/ideal Technicolor print, or one of the prints used for 4K77? In which context (when screened in a cinema or dark room with 70s bulbs, in a bright living room)? I am curious about the blacks here (specially in many space shots), was it a limitation of the print used or what? I’m not criticising 4K77, the restoration looks amazing and for me it’s now THE version of Star Wars to watch, I’d like to know the technical details if it can be shared.

A single correction was made for each reel. In most cases it involved nothing more than white balancing the image using the optical track for the white point and then adjusting the contrast so that the brightest point on the reel is right at the top of the scopes and the blackest right at the bottom. With a single adjustment like that, you can’t make space or the end credits completely black or you will crush the blacks in other parts of the reel.

Colors and levels could be greatly improved with a shot by shot grade, but I wanted to preserve the original colors and levels as much as possible for this version. So the colors quite accurately represent the digital scan of the print, which isn’t necessarily the same as when projected in a dark room with a 70s bulb, but nor is it anybody’s idealized imagination of what it should look like.

http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com

http://www.the007dossier.com

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ZigZig said:

To be able to compare 4k77 with other editions of Star Wars, I took the frame 5032 (GOUT-synced) of 6 different versions: 4k77 (2160p), SilverScreen Edition 1.6 (1080p), BluRay (1080p), Despecialized Edition 2.7 (720p), GOUT DVD (720p) and 16mm (480p)

I adjusted the proportions of each version so that they fit and the comparison is visually effective.

The result is available here : http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/FBMFNNNU

In my opinion, the accuracy of the 4k77 version is similar to Blu-Ray and 4k is not really sharper than 2k (4k does not help much given the grain on the film).

This new 4k77 version has very natural and less aggressive colors than the BR or the DeEd 2.7, but the SiverScreen Edition(TN1) is still my favorite because it is less cropped and keeps the full width of the film (there is 11% more image than on the 4k77 version).

(I also compared the different versions laserdisc, VHS, VCD and 8mm, but I can only upload 6 images on framecompare).

Percentage wise, cropping is about the same as for the LPP - it was cropped to 2.35:1 which is less than the cropping at the cinema in '77 with was 2.39.1. The top and bottom and the junk on the right would have been removed by the projectionist too. It is also worth pointing out that the LPP used for the SSE had much more picture information on all sides than the tech prints:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/KL6WNNNX

http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com

http://www.the007dossier.com

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Absolutely fantastic work well done to all involved.

Where is the 1080p DNR version.?

  1. Star.Wars.4K77.1080p.DNR.35mm.x264-v1.0
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Williarob said:

ZigZig said:

To be able to compare 4k77 with other editions of Star Wars, I took the frame 5032 (GOUT-synced) of 6 different versions: 4k77 (2160p), SilverScreen Edition 1.6 (1080p), BluRay (1080p), Despecialized Edition 2.7 (720p), GOUT DVD (720p) and 16mm (480p)

I adjusted the proportions of each version so that they fit and the comparison is visually effective.

The result is available here : http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/FBMFNNNU

In my opinion, the accuracy of the 4k77 version is similar to Blu-Ray and 4k is not really sharper than 2k (4k does not help much given the grain on the film).

This new 4k77 version has very natural and less aggressive colors than the BR or the DeEd 2.7, but the SiverScreen Edition(TN1) is still my favorite because it is less cropped and keeps the full width of the film (there is 11% more image than on the 4k77 version).

(I also compared the different versions laserdisc, VHS, VCD and 8mm, but I can only upload 6 images on framecompare).

Percentage wise, cropping is about the same as for the LPP - it was cropped to 2.35:1 which is less than the cropping at the cinema in '77 with was 2.39.1. The top and bottom and the junk on the right would have been removed by the projectionist too. It is also worth pointing out that the LPP used for the SSE had much more picture information on all sides than the tech prints:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/KL6WNNNX

You made an amazing and long awaited work! I didn’t want to be offensive.

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Williarob said:

No offense taken, just thought it might look like I cropped a lot more than I actually did.

It says there are 4 versions released 2 with DNR 2 without DNR but I can only find the 2 versions without DNR have the other 2 not been released yet.?

Cheers.

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Vader21 said:

Williarob said:

No offense taken, just thought it might look like I cropped a lot more than I actually did.

It says there are 4 versions released 2 with DNR 2 without DNR but I can only find the 2 versions without DNR have the other 2 not been released yet.?

Cheers.

The DNRed versions aren’t finished yet.

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Laserschwert said:

Vader21 said:

Williarob said:

No offense taken, just thought it might look like I cropped a lot more than I actually did.

It says there are 4 versions released 2 with DNR 2 without DNR but I can only find the 2 versions without DNR have the other 2 not been released yet.?

Cheers.

The DNRed versions aren’t finished yet.

Thanks bud that explains that then.

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Williarob said:
A single correction was made for each reel. In most cases it involved nothing more than white balancing the image using the optical track for the white point and then adjusting the contrast so that the brightest point on the reel is right at the top of the scopes and the blackest right at the bottom. With a single adjustment like that, you can’t make space or the end credits completely black or you will crush the blacks in other parts of the reel.

Colors and levels could be greatly improved with a shot by shot grade, but I wanted to preserve the original colors and levels as much as possible for this version. So the colors quite accurately represent the digital scan of the print, which isn’t necessarily the same as when projected in a dark room with a 70s bulb, but nor is it anybody’s idealized imagination of what it should look like.

So if I understand what you say, wouldn’t this mean that if you screen 4K77 in a dark room with a 70s bulb you would have similar colors to what you see in the online screenshots of Technicolor screenings (assuming correct color balance)? Or does this mean that, even with 70s bulbs, people in 1977 did not see completely black space and end credits when they were screened a Technicolor print?

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dahmage said:

Binsearch shows something… Tell your friends

Both binsearch and nzbindex show it as incomplete. Perhaps there is enough there for the par2 files to repair it?
(Nothing listed on nzbking, but that one looks pretty out of date.)

Bluto

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I’m downloading the 1080p version right now, I’m so excited!

oofa doofa

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Bluto said:

dahmage said:

Binsearch shows something… Tell your friends

Both binsearch and nzbindex show it as incomplete. Perhaps there is enough there for the par2 files to repair it?
(Nothing listed on nzbking, but that one looks pretty out of date.)

Bluto

Yeah, there were 2 files missing. I needed to grab a few pars to rebuild.

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ZigZig said:

LD Mitsubishi
LD Mitsubishi SWE

Not trying to take anything away from the achievement of your release but wow! Never seen anything of the Mitsubishi version…

I think that one looks the best color in my opinion on that shot.Obviously far less detail, but Curious What the rest of it is like.

Fancy doing another shot for fun?

Did anyone else vouch for going with the Mitsubishi color grading on this part? If you do shot by shot

Skin and cheeks looks the best although it still not 100% correct it’s pretty good skin tones.

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Ronster said:

ZigZig said:

LD Mitsubishi
LD Mitsubishi SWE

Not trying to take anything away from the achievement of your release but wow! Never seen anything of the Mitsubishi version…

I think that one looks the best color in my opinion on that shot.Obviously far less detail, but Curious What the rest of it is like.

Fancy doing another shot for fun?

Did anyone else vouch for going with the Mitsubishi color grading on this part? Although you went for an average I guess did anyone call this one the best reference?

This definitely seems like a topic for a new thread. I can’t say with certainty, but I’m pretty sure no one floated the idea of going with the “Mitsubishi grading” for this project, or possibly any other.

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Yeah, all home video grades were rejected because most of them were regraded with neutral colors, and to fit within the color and levels limitations of NTSC, PAL and SECAM tube TV systems. If you have access to two unfaded, original Technicolor prints, why base your grade on an old laserdisc? I’m not saying such as grade is a bad idea, actually I think it would be awesome to have some nice home video colors at this resolution - that’s nostalgia right there, because kids of the '80s like me wore out those tapes and laserdiscs watching the films over and over so this is how I remember the film looking. But the goal of the project was to preserve the actual colors of the print.

http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com

http://www.the007dossier.com