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I have the film now and it looks amazing! The only problem I’m having is that the playback is very choppy/laggy at the start. After about 5 minutes it plays fine. And it always gets stuck on exactly the same parts every time. After it gets stuck it starts but is very choppy and there is no sound. But if I pause and go back it plays fine!
I and viewing the 4k on my TV through an external harddrive.

If anyone could give me any advice I’d really appreciate it. Most of the film plays fine and it is honestly the best I’ve ever seen star wars.

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Hello there!

I’m new to this forum and I have recently grabbed the 4K77 2160p with no DNR version 1.0. Watched it a couple of times now and it looks amazing. It’s like a time machine and brings med back to 1977 and my theatre in Gothenburg, Sweden where I wached it as a 12 year old. It’s simply adorable.

However, I have understood that there exists a suppsedly even better 1.4 version of the same transfer. And I have seacherd all over the internet for a weeks, various Torrent sites and NZB:s but cannot find any copy for download. Only the 1080p version. But I crave 2160p! And no friggin noise reduction!

Would appreciate immensly if someone could direct me to a site for download, either Torrent or Usenet. You cand send me a message if need be. Thanx in advance!

I really appreciate the cultural heritage preservation work that you have done to the world commonity Team Negaative 1. Love you all! Keep up the god work Rebels!

Tomas

Edit: I got it now with the help of a kind soul.

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Forgive me if this has been answered already, but is V1.4 a 60fps file? For some reason all of my software seems to see it as such…

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There’s no reason for it to be 60 fps. It’s either 24 fps or 24000/1001 fps (23.976…), forgot which.

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Pretty sure it’s 23.976 to maintain GOUT sync.

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My Panasonic Ultra HD Blu-ray player flags the metadata of 4K77 2160p v.1.0 as 23.976 fps. I cannot se any reason that the 1.4 is any different. But I will check it out soon.

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I watched 4K77 (non-DNR) last night. I was initially just going to skim the movie to see what it looked like, but I ended up watching the whole thing! It’s beautiful! Makes me question if the DNR version is even necessary. I watched it on an HD TV and it wasn’t even that grainy. Then again, I like film grain.

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Howcome is it that the 4K77 2160p no-DNR v.1.4 is 10 GB smaller in size compared to 4K77 2160p no-DNR v.1.0?

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Williarob said:

Simple: It was encoded with a lower average bitrate. A lot of people struggled to play 1.0 smoothly, so we encoded the later version at a lower bitrate and heard fewer complaints.

Yeah, I noticed that. You have implemented a more dynamic bitrate compared to V.1.0 which was more close to 80 Mbps regardless of content, whereas V.1.4 jumps all over the place and actually has a higher bitrate compared to V.1.0 where it is needed (i.e. bright scenes) and much lower when there is much darkness in the image.

Thanx for the response.

Tomas

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Tomas Stacewicz said:

My Panasonic Ultra HD Blu-ray player flags the metadata of 4K77 2160p v.1.0 as 23.976 fps. I cannot se any reason that the 1.4 is any different. But I will check it out soon.

Thanks - I know it shouldn’t be 60fps, just wondering why none of my Mac media players can tell me what the frame rate is. Interestingly, using Handbrake “same as source” to re-encode gave me a 23.97fps file, so mystery (probably?) solved, but it doesn’t explain why, for instance, when I try to create a new file with my own settings, it only offers me frame rates in the 30/60 frames world.

Anyway, 1.4 looks great!

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I just checked and the frame rate is identical between v.1.0 and v.1.4, approx. 24 fps

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Tomas Stacewicz said:

My Panasonic Ultra HD Blu-ray player flags the metadata of 4K77 2160p v.1.0 as 23.976 fps. I cannot se any reason that the 1.4 is any different. But I will check it out soon.

Thanks - I know it shouldn’t be 60fps, just wondering why none of my Mac media players can tell me what the frame rate is. Interestingly, using Handbrake “same as source” to re-encode gave me a 23.97fps file, so mystery (probably?) solved, but it doesn’t explain why, for instance, when I try to create a new file with my own settings, it only offers me frame rates in the 30/60 frames world.

Anyway, 1.4 looks great!

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Do you guys reckon the bitrate is the reason my video is so choppy. Like I said earlier im playing it on a TV though a hard drive. I’m not that good with computers so any help would be much appreciated.

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Tomas Stacewicz said:

Williarob said:

Simple: It was encoded with a lower average bitrate. A lot of people struggled to play 1.0 smoothly, so we encoded the later version at a lower bitrate and heard fewer complaints.

Yeah, I noticed that. You have implemented a more dynamic bitrate compared to V.1.0 which was more close to 80 Mbps regardless of content, whereas V.1.4 jumps all over the place and actually has a higher bitrate compared to V.1.0 where it is needed (i.e. bright scenes) and much lower when there is much darkness in the image.

Thanx for the response.

Tomas

Yes 1.0 was constant bitrate, 1.4 is variable for greater efficiency.

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YRK01 said:

Do you guys reckon the bitrate is the reason my video is so choppy. Like I said earlier im playing it on a TV though a hard drive. I’m not that good with computers so any help would be much appreciated.

There are several factors that could be contributing - which version are you playing? You might try both versions to see if the constant bitrate one plays more consistently than the variable or vice versa…

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I have the DNR version. Is that one constant bitrate?

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I have a hard time deciding which of the 4K77 versions that I prefer. There is merit to both v.1.0 and 1.4. The latter of course looks more natural and probably closer to the negatives. But I really like the visceral and raw look of v.1.0, regardless of the yellow and green tints. I also enjoy the original grading because ot its reel to reel correction which probably makes it closer to the 1977 theatrical experience. So I gonna save both.

I have a question though regarding the source of one take at the moisture farm Jawa sequence. There is clearly visible digital noise (as opposed to analogue noise) between 18:46 to 18:53. It exhibits lots of microblocking around Luke when he moves his head and torso, it kinda moves and alignes around him in a very unnatural fashion. Is this part one of the few Blu-ray 1080p upscaled parts? There is a continuous scratch on the frame in this take which is also seen on other takes in the same scene, but these other takes don’t exhibit any noise. It makes me scratch my head…

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My guess is you’re seeing compression artifacts, but I don’t have the file on hand to check myself.

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Yeah, that shot could really use a Do over… It had quite a lot of damage:

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Looking at it now I can see a lot of smearing and other artifacts caused by all the cloning, painting, and other processing I used to clean it up. But, I’ve learned a few new tricks in the last 3 or 4 years - I feel like I could do a better job fixing that shot today.

I’ll circle back to it one of these days and update it.

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Hi all,

Just wondering if a 1.4 with DNR was ever released. I’ve searched through some of the usual channels and had no luck. The restoration work regardless is a triumph, but I would prefer one with that color grading and a slightly smoother picture.

It’s possible I’ve never said it before, so congrats to Team -1 and Williarob. You have absolutely achieved commercial-grade work and we are all beyond grateful.

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bkev said:

Hi all,

Just wondering if a 1.4 with DNR was ever released. I’ve searched through some of the usual channels and had no luck. The restoration work regardless is a triumph, but I would prefer one with that color grading and a slightly smoother picture.

It’s possible I’ve never said it before, so congrats to Team -1 and Williarob. You have absolutely achieved commercial-grade work and we are all beyond grateful.

v1.0 No DNR used a single color correction per reel, which was just a white balance to the soundtrack or the sprocket holes. Sanjuro used that as the basis for his grade, so applying his grade to the original master was therefore very easy - my starting point was more or less the same as his.

However, when I did the DNR version, I started with a shot by shot color grade, this time trying to color balance each shot based on it’s content. So almost every single shot was given a new grade. After that I applied the DNR on a scene by scene (sometimes shot by shot) basis which took weeks. After that was done, it became obvious that the removal of all that noise made the remaing dust, dirt and scratches really stand out. So I spent another month cleaning the whole film frame by frame. Finally, I replaced about a dozen shots using a scan of the '97 SE print, or the alternate Tech, or the LPP instead of just the Bluray. These new inserts were color matched to the new grade, and DNR’d immediately, so they don’t currently exist in an original No DNR 1.o format.

So, given all of those changes, there is simply no way to just drop the DNR master file into Sanjuro’s project file and apply his grade - it just wouldn’t work - the input colors would be totally different, so the output colors would also be totally different.

So the only way to apply the Sanjuro grade to the DNR version is to do it shot by shot with Dre’s color matching tool OR go back to the original No DNR version 1.0 and start again with the months of work I already did. Neither of which appealed to me after 5 years of working on Star Wars. If you want to generate the 2000 LUTs required and a project that applies them to the DNR version, I’m happy to render it out for you using the original master file, but I just don’t have the time or the enthusiasm to do that myself.

Oohteedee has done some work on a new DNR version, starting with the original NoDNR 1.0, but really we have both been waiting for @DrDre to complete his own regrade of 4K77 so that we can apply that grade instead; and for some more sources to be available: e.g. the new official 4K blurays coming in March and our own rescan of the '97 SE print. Since DNR 1.0 was released, we also now have a 4K scan of the LPP, and some elements from another foreign print, all of which can be used to make improvements.

So. Eventually, there will be an updated DNR version with some new shots and a more consistent color grade, but it’s really not a priority at the moment, especially since we haven’t even finished a v1.0 of 4K80.

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Thank you so much for all your effort and time put into preserving these culturally significant works. Really excited to see those projects released, especially 4K80. Will continue to support you guys throughout.