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deathstar1138 said:

THE BD ISO is out for this now. With enhancements and other fixes. Its on the Star Wars Trilogy forums.

No-DNR or DNR?

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Is the BD available anywhere else like MEGA? The confirmation email/link of the forum doesn’t work. Thanks and have a nice day!

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Your forum account has to be manually approved by an admin. Be patient - either your forum account will be approved soon or the ISO will be shared to Mega soon.

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deathstar1138 said:

Get it for yourself, and then you can compare them.

This is not very helpful. The only reason I’d want to download it would be for the new crawl. Unfortunately I do not have the luxury to download 40GB on just anything. This is a forum that loves comparisons, I’m surprised one hasn’t been made already.

“After a time, you may find that having, is not so pleasing a thing after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.” - Spock

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So, let me get this straight, if the crawl is improved and lot better,
then you’ll download the 40gig file anyways, but you’ll ignore anything else.

And if its not better, you’ll never find out. Ok.

Instead of constantly asking and complaining about something, be proactive
and do the work, and share it. That way others can enjoy it to. It’s not that hard.

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deathstar1138 said:

So, let me get this straight, if the crawl is improved and lot better,
then you’ll download the 40gig file anyways, but you’ll ignore anything else.

And if its not better, you’ll never find out. Ok.

Instead of constantly asking and complaining about something, be proactive
and do the work, and share it. That way others can enjoy it to. It’s not that hard.

Well you could be nice and it is not hard take a screenshot of both crawls and upload them. To me your just being lazy, that is not hard, just a few clicks and your done, a few more clicks to upload them, it is not a hard thing to do man, so to me that is just lazy

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deathstar1138 said:

So, let me get this straight, if the crawl is improved and lot better,
then you’ll download the 40gig file anyways, but you’ll ignore anything else.

And if its not better, you’ll never find out. Ok.

Instead of constantly asking and complaining about something, be proactive
and do the work, and share it. That way others can enjoy it to. It’s not that hard.

Asking for screen cap comparisons is complaining?

Maybe they already have the MKV which they burned to a disc and they want to make sure the upgraded crawl is worth the extra 40GB hit to their bandwidth cap before getting it…?

I’m fortunate that my cap was raised significantly this year, but last year I had 200GB per month to work with before my Internet was disconnected. Not everyone can download a 40GB release that might only be a marginal upgrade compared to what they already have when that amount of data could go toward something else.

At any rate, I’ll take some screen caps myself when I get home from work and post them here for everyone to compare.

a trolling bantha

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ChainsawAsh said:

Asking for screen cap comparisons is complaining?

Maybe they already have the MKV which they burned to a disc and they want to make sure the upgraded crawl is worth the extra 40GB hit to their bandwidth cap before getting it…?

I’m fortunate that my cap was raised significantly this year, but last year I had 200GB per month to work with before my Internet was disconnected. Not everyone can download a 40GB release that might only be a marginal upgrade compared to what they already have when that amount of data could go toward something else.

At any rate, I’ll take some screen caps myself when I get home from work and post them here for everyone to compare.

Thank you so much dude, we all would appreciate it

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JonathanArthur19 said:

deathstar1138 said:

So, let me get this straight, if the crawl is improved and lot better,
then you’ll download the 40gig file anyways, but you’ll ignore anything else.

And if its not better, you’ll never find out. Ok.

Instead of constantly asking and complaining about something, be proactive
and do the work, and share it. That way others can enjoy it to. It’s not that hard.

Well you could be nice and it is not hard take a screenshot of both crawls and upload them. To me your just being lazy, that is not hard, just a few clicks and your done, a few more clicks to upload them, it is not a hard thing to do man, so to me that is just lazy

Let me get this straight… We (deathstar1138 & I and a few others) spend 5 years restoring two prints of Star Wars and one of Jedi, frame by frame (that’s over 450,000 frames in all, every one of which we painted out the dirt and scratches by hand), and then we offer them to you, for free, in not just one but multiple formats - MKV, ISO, with and without DNR, HD & UHD; and you’re calling us lazy just because we don’t immediately jump on a request to create a comparison video or upload some screen shots so that you can scratch your head and decide if it’s really worth your time to click a download button again?

Sorry, but we’re a bit freaking busy right now working on other projects - like The Empire Strikes Back. Personally, I have archived all the 4K77 files to LTO Tape to free up the terrabytes of disk space they were using. So it’s not “just a few clicks and you’re done”. I just don’t have the files handy anymore. So it’s a huge “thank you” from me to ChainsawAsh for stepping up and doing that. It actually saves me a lot of time and effort.

To answer everyone’s question though: Is the new version better? Yes, but not dramatically so. Is it worth downloading another 40+ GB just for those 2 minutes of film? Only you can answer that. If it’s worth it to you, then you will. Otherwise, you won’t. It’s not like we get paid either way, so why should we care what you do?

http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com

http://www.the007dossier.com

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JonathanArthur19 said:

Well you could be nice and it is not hard take a screenshot of both crawls and upload them. To me your just being lazy, that is not hard, just a few clicks and your done, a few more clicks to upload them, it is not a hard thing to do man, so to me that is just lazy

Well, I wish I’d seen this bitchy post before I said no one was complaining… 😠

Anyway, I’ll be home in about an hour and I’ll get the comparison caps posted around then.

It’ll be DNR 1080p MKV (old crawl) vs. DNR 1080p ISO (new crawl).

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Okay, here’s the grabs. Only the crawl itself is new, the logos and flyover are the same between both the ISO and the MKV:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/0EBFNNNU

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/WGLWNNNX

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/0EB1NNNU

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/WGLGNNNX

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/0EBMNNNU

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/WGLPNNNX

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/0EBCNNNU

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/WGDLNNNX

a trolling bantha

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Not only the crawl looks more defined and with a better color, but the stars are better too. Great work indeed.

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And I’d like to chime in and thank the entire team for their hard and incredible work. I don’t play with files the size they do and it is a pain in the ass for me to capture, save, upload, and post screen shots. And when you move the files off your system for the next project, especially files of this size, it is a pain to bring them back up to do anything with them. What is truly lazy is not downloading them and comparing them yourself. Big thanks to ChainsawAsh for doing it.

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You’re welcome, everyone.

And I’ve got to echo yotsuya’s statements - HUGE thank you to all the time, effort, money, and personal sacrifices everyone who’s worked on these amazing projects has put in, including - but not limited to! - williarob, SkyDude, ohteedee, deathstar1138, and many, many others. All Star Wars fans are in your guys’ debt!

But I do also recognize that these are hefty files for some (as I said earlier, they were for me a year ago and I still bitch about having shitty Internet today!), so I’m glad to be able to do something to help those in that boat to make the decision whether they’re going to sacrifice a not-insignificant fraction of their bandwidth allotment to effectively re-download something they’ve already acquired for an improvement that frankly amounts to 1/120th of the entire file or not, or to wait until the end of the month. (I remember those days - splitting a 50GB download across the 31st and the 1st was always a fun balancing act!)

I think it’s a significant improvement, and I think the comparison shows that, so once again, thanks to everyone involved for their hard work!

Now about that 1981 crawl scan/After Effects project that’s sitting on my hard drive…I should probably get on finishing that someday…

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Williarob said:

JonathanArthur19 said:

deathstar1138 said:

So, let me get this straight, if the crawl is improved and lot better,
then you’ll download the 40gig file anyways, but you’ll ignore anything else.

And if its not better, you’ll never find out. Ok.

Instead of constantly asking and complaining about something, be proactive
and do the work, and share it. That way others can enjoy it to. It’s not that hard.

Well you could be nice and it is not hard take a screenshot of both crawls and upload them. To me your just being lazy, that is not hard, just a few clicks and your done, a few more clicks to upload them, it is not a hard thing to do man, so to me that is just lazy

Let me get this straight… We (deathstar1138 & I and a few others) spend 5 years restoring two prints of Star Wars and one of Jedi, frame by frame (that’s over 450,000 frames in all, every one of which we painted out the dirt and scratches by hand), and then we offer them to you, for free, in not just one but multiple formats - MKV, ISO, with and without DNR, HD & UHD; and you’re calling us lazy just because we don’t immediately jump on a request to create a comparison video or upload some screen shots so that you can scratch your head and decide if it’s really worth your time to click a download button again?

Sorry, but we’re a bit freaking busy right now working on other projects - like The Empire Strikes Back. Personally, I have archived all the 4K77 files to LTO Tape to free up the terrabytes of disk space they were using. So it’s not “just a few clicks and you’re done”. I just don’t have the files handy anymore. So it’s a huge “thank you” from me to ChainsawAsh for stepping up and doing that. It actually saves me a lot of time and effort.

To answer everyone’s question though: Is the new version better? Yes, but not dramatically so. Is it worth downloading another 40+ GB just for those 2 minutes of film? Only you can answer that. If it’s worth it to you, then you will. Otherwise, you won’t. It’s not like we get paid either way, so why should we care what you do?

Geez, we appreciate the hard work you all put in, neither of us were asking any of you personally. I’ve already got the MKV, it’s the best version of Star Wars I’ve ever seen. We were just asking for someone who has the new file to provide some screenshots of the new crawl. We were literally asking of you and deathstar nothing, but still got shitty responses. ChainsawAsh has done it, and it’s great. And as you stated, you liked the comparison anyway. I’m really not sure what the issue is. It was a simple request that just got a lot of rude responses. I was just curious what the upgrade was.

Being accused of constantly complaining when all that was said is:

What kind of enhancements and other fixes have been made?

Williarob
Only one: The crawl was replaced, using a new 4K scan of the LPP (cleaned by Skydude).

Handman

Could anyone put together a comparison of the two (if there isn’t one already)?

Is very frustrating.

“After a time, you may find that having, is not so pleasing a thing after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.” - Spock

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Handman said:

Geez, we appreciate the hard work you all put in, neither of us were asking any of you personally. I’ve already got the MKV, it’s the best version of Star Wars I’ve ever seen. We were just asking for someone who has the new file to provide some screenshots of the new crawl. We were literally asking of you and deathstar nothing, but still got shitty responses. ChainsawAsh has done it, and it’s great. And as you stated, you liked the comparison anyway. I’m really not sure what the issue is. It was a simple request that just got a lot of rude responses. I was just curious what the upgrade was.

^This, nobody was complaining or being overbearing, but it’s kinda rude to just say “do it yourself” when someone was openly asking for a comparison from anyone, given that we’re not all willing to download almost 100 gigs of data to make a comparison. OF COURSE we appreciate your work here, like seriously you guys have done some amazing stuff.

Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329

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Handman said:

Geez, we appreciate the hard work you all put in, neither of us were asking any of you personally. I’ve already got the MKV, it’s the best version of Star Wars I’ve ever seen. We were just asking for someone who has the new file to provide some screenshots of the new crawl. We were literally asking of you and deathstar nothing, but still got shitty responses. ChainsawAsh has done it, and it’s great. And as you stated, you liked the comparison anyway. I’m really not sure what the issue is. It was a simple request that just got a lot of rude responses. I was just curious what the upgrade was.

Is very frustrating.

Where exactly in my response did I accuse you or Smithers or anyone else of constantly complaining? My response wasn’t even directed at you. Deathstar1138 (a member of TN1) was accused of being lazy for not clicking the mouse a few times and providing screenshots. I simply explained that we are not lazy, and it’s not that easy at this point for us to generate the comparisons.

But go ahead, bite the hand that feeds you. It would be so much easier, safer, and less stressful to just work on these projects and keep them to ourselves, like Mr Verta…

http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com

http://www.the007dossier.com

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Williarob said:

Where exactly in my response did I accuse you or Smithers or anyone else of constantly complaining? My response wasn’t even directed at you. Deathstar1138 (a member of TN1) was accused of being lazy for not clicking the mouse a few times and providing screenshots. I simply explained that we are not lazy, and it’s not that easy at this point for us to generate the comparisons.

But go ahead, bite the hand that feeds you. It would be so much easier, safer, and less stressful to just work on these projects and keep them to ourselves, like Mr Verta…

Fair enough

Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329

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Where exactly in my response did I accuse you or Smithers or anyone else of constantly complaining?

Deathstar1138 did. He was rather rude, and received it in kind.

But go ahead, bite the hand that feeds you. It would be so much easier, safer, and less stressful to just work on these projects and keep them to ourselves, like Mr Verta…

All I want is some kind of understanding. If that’s going to be the attitude… I’ll just stop talking.

“After a time, you may find that having, is not so pleasing a thing after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.” - Spock

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Handman said:

Where exactly in my response did I accuse you or Smithers or anyone else of constantly complaining?

Deathstar1138 did. He was rather rude, and received it in kind.

Then perhaps you should have quoted his post in your response, and not mine.

My post quoted JonathanArthur19, and it was directed entirely at him. The requests for comparisons by others were polite, and I read them simply as “If anyone has downloaded both versions, please post some comparisons”, which sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com

http://www.the007dossier.com

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Yes, thanks ChainsawAsh, for the screen comparisons.

I guess I am too lazy taking weeks to copy files for Empire, sending hard disks to people,
and now trying to work on the 4K80 project with 2 other people in my spare time to create
screenshot comparisons, while trying to quality check both the 4K77, and 4K83 ISO’s for
people to enjoy.

Guess next time, I should just jump and not tell people to do the work, when I could
have just done it.

Anyways, please just move on from this, and get back to Star Wars.

We’re trying hard to wrap things and fix any further issues, in case we have
to re-release it, and move onto any of the several other projects.

Thanks to Williarob for his assistance or we wouldn’t have any of this.

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I didn’t mean to offend anyone and if I did I’m terribly sorry, I get mad easily, and that’s Canadian for you sometimes, the reason I got mad is because deathstar1138 made a rude remark and said “do it yourself” and I got mad, I just wanted to see the difference between the new scanned crawl and the old version, I think I will keep the older version though, but I’m sorry if I offended anybody, I thank you all for making 4K77 and 4K83, and 4K80 is on it’s way, I’m thankful that you put lot’s of time and effort into this or the films would be lost forever, I thank you and I’m truly sorry for the way I acted the other day. And thank you ChainsawAsh, for the screenshots of both versions so we know what is different, and I thank you all for this huge project that you all created, thank you so much, and I’m really sorry for my actions, I got really mad, I freaked out big time, and I am really sorry.