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Hello guys. I’m looking for Project 4k83 in UHD format. Scouring the I-net and came up empty. Can anyone here please provide a link to 4k83.

Thank you all in advance.

Cheers

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viperman3 said:

Hello guys. I’m looking for Project 4k83 in UHD format. Scouring the I-net and came up empty. Can anyone here please provide a link to 4k83.

Thank you all in advance.

Cheers

You didn’t scour at all

duckduckgo.com

4th link

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Jaxer said:

viperman3 said:

Hello guys. I’m looking for Project 4k83 in UHD format. Scouring the I-net and came up empty. Can anyone here please provide a link to 4k83.

Thank you all in advance.

Cheers

You didn’t scour at all

duckduckgo.com

4th link

I didn’t even dawn on me to try duckduckgo, however, thank you for the reminder.

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Is there a link somewhere of just the documentary bonus material. I only want Classic Creatures and From Star Wars to jedi in HD.

I mean a direct download not on usenet or bitorrent.

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I’m new and I don’t want to start a flame war I’m just interested in people’s opinions. What version of 4k83 do most people like? With so many options it is hard to tell. Thanks.

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IMO 1.6 is the way to go, entirely because of the color grading. Others will almost certainly have different opinions.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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IMO 1.4 is the way to go, entirely because of the color grading.

As CatBus said, it’s entirely down to personal preference, especially once you get to 1.3 or higher - as far as I remember, v1.3, v1.4, and v1.6 all are essentially identical except for different approaches to color grading. I happen to think v1.4 looks the most authentic and natural, while v1.6 looks too desaturated and drab.

a trolling bantha

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sorry if this is a naive question, but how accurate are the colors of Disney+ /4K Blu Ray of ROTJ or how do they compare with the later versions of 4K83?

I understand the 2011 Blu Rays have a magenta tint to them, but the new versions are better color corrected.

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Colors are a matter of strong opinion, so take absolutely everything with a grain of salt, including what I say. From what I’ve seen, the Disney+ colors are a marked improvement over prior official Star Wars releases, and because of the lack of boosted magentas, there’s also not as much clipping in the red channel, etc. I can’t think of a single example where they’re worse.

Yellows fade away first in some types of 35mm film, then cyans, and magentas hang on longest. That’s why old films are sometimes called “pink faded”. Even low-fade prints still fade a bit over time and can have more pronounced magentas. The famous magenta cast isn’t just a Blu-ray phenomenon, the 1993 VHS and Laserdisc releases had the same issue, and it may in part be because they failed to adequately restore the original colors to the faded sources.

The problem is, that magenta look from the 1993 releases is very nostalgic for a lot of OT fans, so when they restore the OT, they bring that magenta look with it, so it matches the most popular home video releases of the unaltered original trilogy.

This is why I prefer 4k83 1.6. It brings back the yellows, tones down the magenta, and bring everything back to more natural colors. I consider it to be the best reference we have for ROTJ’s theatrical colors, even if, as ChainsawAsh correctly pointed out, it’s a little flat by modern home video standards. It’s better than Disney+, if what you’re looking for is theatrical accuracy.

But 1.4 gives you that nostalgic THX boxed set feel, and it’s more vibrant as well. It really all depends on what you’re looking for.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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I want to mention that 1.4 is similar to relatively unfaded Eastman reel scans regarding color. I hadn’t initially used those as references (the LPP scan was my primary reference, correcting for the excessive blue tint), but when I remembered that those existed I checked my work against them and it’s in the ballpark. Of course that isn’t to say the accuracy of my correction for 1.4 couldn’t be improved in the future, just that I’m confident in the general accuracy of the 1.4 release.

1.6 feels darker and less colorful than any of the film references I’ve seen. It still looks good, but I have reservations about its accuracy, and it’s definitely a bit drab. It’s more accurate than 1.3 though, and I would recommend either 1.4 or 1.6 over that, for multiple reasons (color problems, less refined DNR process). Unless inconsistent black levels are a deal breaker, 1.4 or 1.6 would be the way to go in my opinion.

I really dislike the magenta look of the THX masters. The 1990 ones look much better to my eyes.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Thank you both for your feedback! I guess unless we personally scan the original negatives, we’ll never know how the movie actually looks. It definitely appears the consensus in the thread is both 1.4 and 1.6 are better than the the earlier versions.

If I may ask one last question: is 4K83 for all intents and purposes a finished product or are there future updates expected? My understanding is Harmy 3.0 will be the final version of Despecialized and 4K77 is also being updated to 2.0 in the future.

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“Done.” Heheh. Nothing’s ever done.

Seriously, this is a geek project and a labor of love that will likely go on and on, under different stewardship. Even Despecialized may continue after Harmy moves on. Theoretically, incremental changes will likely get smaller and smaller as we get closer and closer to approximating perfection. But everyone’s got their own idea of perfection, and people’s ideas can change over time as well.

Look at me. I’ve been working on subtitles for something like eight years now. You’d think that would be sort of a closed field with limited variation, but it just keeps going.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Yeah, don’t ever expect any of these fan projects to have a truly “final” release or ever be “done.”

Adywan was “done” with ANH:R over a decade ago, yet here he is making an HD recreation while simultaneously working on ROTJ:R. Hal 9000 said that the current version of his prequel edits were “final” dating all the way back to version 2 and they currently sit at version 6!

You can choose to either keep up with the most recent version of everything, or find one that you’re happy with and let that be the end of it (which is what I did with Hal’s v5 of Episode II and is almost certainly what I’m doing with 4K83 v1.4 - I did download v1.6 to try it out and found that I very strongly preferred v1.4).

But don’t EVER sit around waiting for the “final version” of a fan project to be released, because you’ll be waiting forever!

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Nilbog said:

I guess unless we personally scan the original negatives, we’ll never know how the movie actually looks.

Keep in mind that the original camera negatives don’t hold any color timing. Those have all the information captured by the camera on set, and would most likely vary in color based on film stock differences between different parts of production. If I remember correctly, color timing is first applied to the interpositve (a positive copy of the finished negative). I believe color separation masters are also color timed.

Logically, the original look of the film can be determined by comparing multiple unfaded and/or low fade theatrical prints. Comparing an unfaded interpositive with the theatrical prints would make the situation better as well. The original negative shouldn’t really factor in when it comes to finding the original color and look of the film.

If I may ask one last question: is 4K83 for all intents and purposes a finished product or are there future updates expected? My understanding is Harmy 3.0 will be the final version of Despecialized and 4K77 is also being updated to 2.0 in the future.

What they said.

I don’t think there are any updates to 4K83 being planned right now, but you can never say something like this is truly finished.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Thank you all for the insight! You all have my respect for your efforts and dedication.