4K restoration on Star Wars — Page 6

AntcuFaalb said:

Cobra Kai said:

Don't worry. We'll get a theatrical restoration soon.  Disney has "top men" working on it now.

...?

At the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones is told that "top men" are studying the Ark. However, we then see that in reality the Ark is stored in a warehouse, never to be touched again.

adywan said:

At the screening of ROTJ in London to mark the release of the ROTJ making of book, it was the 2011 version that was used for that digital screening, so the atlanta one may well be the 2011.

Even if this Atlanta screening ends up being one of the old prints/dcp's, this news about RMW is still significant. It means that for the first time in an entire decade we have confirmation that there's been a new scan of the o-neg of Star Wars, even if it is just the Special Edition 4.0.

Fang Zei said:

Even if this Atlanta screening ends up being one of the old prints/dcp's, this news about RMW is still significant. It means that for the first time in an entire decade we have confirmation that there's been a new scan of the o-neg of Star Wars, even if it is just the Special Edition 4.0.

Indeed. This means 4k and corrected colors.

AntcuFaalb said:

darklordoftech said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Cobra Kai said:

Don't worry. We'll get a theatrical restoration soon.  Disney has "top men" working on it now.

...?

At the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones is told that "top men" are studying the Ark. However, we then see that in reality the Ark is stored in a warehouse, never to be touched again.

I knew that, but didn't put it together with Cobra Kai's post. Thanks. :-)

You're welcome.

I really hope they do the original version. In fact I have my doubts wether or not they'll regress back to the '97 version.

Think about it. They'd have to redo all the effects done for the 2004 edition like the updated jabba. (well they could do it crappily I suppose...wouldn't be the first time) But also they'll piss off:

Fans of the 2004 version of the SE.
Fans of the OOT

Pretty much the only people who'd win are the select few who specifically like the '97 version.

I wouldn't be suprised if we get the original cut, but most likely with recomposited effects from the '97 edition.

I honestly think Disney will go the Blade Runner route with this. A 3D conversion from this new 4k master, in theaters Fall of 2015 (my guess) with the movies released at three-week intervals ala '97, then a bd set with the restored OOT (probably from secondary film sources like IP's and seps) and hopefully the '97 version as well (not holding my breath, though) on the store shelves November/December of 2015 to coincide with Ep7.

jero32 said:

Think about it. They'd have to redo all the effects done for the 2004 edition like the updated jabba. (well they could do it crappily I suppose...wouldn't be the first time) But also they'll piss off:

 This is not true. The O-negs of the films are still conformed to the 97 theatrical versions. All post 97 changes were done to the 2k digital master. If they did a new scan of the O-Neg it would be the 97 version. From there, if they wanted to restore the OOT theyd have to scan IP prints or the cut pieces of the O-Neg and reedit them back into the film. If they wanted to recreate the 2004 or 2011 version in 4K, they'd have to rerender all the post 97 effects at a higher resolution and reinsert them into the film.

^^Blade runner style release sounds somewhat likely to me. Disney did pay 4 BILLION dollars. They are known for making excellent digital negatives out of all their movies (even if the releases don't always reflect it) So most likely they wanted a digital negative of the OOT as well now they own it. (and the '97 and '04 release)

Octorox said:

jero32 said:

Think about it. They'd have to redo all the effects done for the 2004 edition like the updated jabba. (well they could do it crappily I suppose...wouldn't be the first time) But also they'll piss off:

 This is not true. The O-negs of the films are still conformed to the 97 theatrical versions. All post 97 changes were done to the 2k digital master. If they did a new scan of the O-Neg it would be the 97 version. From there, if they wanted to restore the OOT theyd have to scan IP prints or the cut pieces of the O-Neg and reedit them back into the film. If they wanted to recreate the 2004 or 2011 version in 4K, they'd have to rerender all the post 97 effects at a higher resolution and reinsert them into the film.

 Thats what I was trying to say with "they'd have to redo all the effects done for the 2004 edition like the updated jabba" though. I realise that a new scan would be the '97 edition. I was merely pointing out I'd doubt they'd regress back to it (since it's outdated), but I also don't think they'd want to update the effects updated for 2004 AGAIN.

The 2004 and 2011 versions will probably not be included in future releases, and I'm fine with that. They'd be highly redundant anyway, as this new 4k version will probably redo most of the changes.

Ideally, we'll get preservations of both the '97 version (all they'd need to do is color-correct it) and the OOT as well from this new scan. One big question is whether it makes sense to use secondary sources for the vfx shots (those had faded beyond repair by the mid-90's) and splice those into the o-neg scans or if they should just use secondary sources for the entire thing so the difference won't be as jarring.

Fang Zei said:

Even if this Atlanta screening ends up being one of the old prints/dcp's, this news about RMW is still significant. It means that for the first time in an entire decade we have confirmation that there's been a new scan of the o-neg of Star Wars, even if it is just the Special Edition 4.0.

If it is for any un-de-specialized anything, then the news is entirely insignificant to me.

I recon an interpositive (one removed from the negative if I got my terminology right) Should still be pretty sharp and detailed enough to splice into the footage to make a reasonable OOT release. (correct me if wrong)

I fear most likely they'll just use the recomposited shots wherever they can though and only scan/clean older footage that was cut out of the '97 release. (seems like the cheapest way to do it)

That's nice to know.
In that case I"m sticking with my hypothesis that if we get a '97 version shared with "oot", it'll probably be recomposited effects for the most part.

The concern would still be the possibility of them missing/overlooking something and we end up with a '97 change in what's supposed to be the original version.

That's why I would almost prefer they do this exactly like Blade Runner. Use this new 4k scan only for the new, "final" version and use a '97 IP for the '97 version and the best surviving elements for the OOT.

Yes, I fear this as well. But chances are if they miss it...it wont be very blatant (rather a subtle change, like the vest color change in the 2004 edition of that one guy in the backround)

I guess we'll have to see what they do. A proper scan of an IB technicolor print would be pretty amazing.

Side note, what about the light sabers makes everyone say '97 specifically? Did they redo them for '97? I don't think comparing to the gout is a good idea since the gout has been known to have color/brightness/other faults.

AntcuFaalb said:

Octorox said:

This is not true. The O-negs of the films are still conformed to the 97 theatrical versions.

It's my understanding that this is still conjecture at this point, despite what has been written on it over the years.

 I'm sensing that the consensus on this board is resignation that it is true.  It was never "conjecture," but rather crediting what Georgie seemed to be saying.

Very sad.

I can still see Disney and Fox working out something to bring us the unaltered trilogy. Disney knows this is something the fans want, and I believe Fox has been wanting to release the unaltered trilogy for some time.