4K restoration on Star Wars — Page 90

CatBus said:

DominicCobb said:

People aren't stupid enough to think that that's the original crawl.

I disagree--people are extremely stupid.  But more importantly, even when they're not stupid, they're imprecise.  They will use terms like "original" when they actually just mean "pre-1997".  I know a number of casual fans who really want a pre-1997 release, but they really don't care about the crawl, color timing, inauthentic sound effects, missing sound effects, etc--but they call what they want the "original" versions.  They just want a version of the Star Wars they used to know before it sucked, and many only knew it from VHS.  I suspect they easily outnumber us.  And I know Disney will cater to the largest audience first.

If the original crawl, sound mixes and colors are all that separates the true originals from "what most people know," then I would certainly hope Disney strives for authenticity above anything else.

Personally, I'd be eating turducken.

I have no clue why Disney would release an "original" version of Star Wars with the 81 crawl. Obviously casual fans won't care either way. But no one's going to be mad if it's the 77 crawl. There are a number of people who will be mad if it's the 81 crawl. Basically, there's no reason to do it wrong and at least a fairly good reason to do it right (you know, the fact that it's right). 

Color and audio issues are one thing to worry about but the crawl just seems like worrying for the sake of worrying.

Honestly I don't think we'll ever see the 81 crawl again. And by 81 crawl, I mean the one that has the ESB starfield. 

Wazzles said:

Honestly I don't think we'll ever see the 81 crawl again. And by 81 crawl, I mean the one that has the ESB starfield. 

I won't miss it.

I don't care about theatrical colors. I just want them to use common sense (no tints, no extreme darknesss or brightness, etc.)

moviefreakedmind said:

I'd accept any release of the OOT. No one was boycotting releases because of theatrical mono mixes before the SE so why should we start now?

This. "How dare they not include the mono mix and the precise color timing that was in theaters in 77" is being pessimistic for the sake of being pessimistic.

So here's a question, unanswerable at the moment but I'll throw it out there anyway.

Do you think Disney will put out Episode VII on 4K blu-ray day and date with the regular blu-ray or are we looking at a similar situation to TPM where they stagger the releases on the different formats?

Granted we'll be much earlier in the life of this new format than dvd when TPM came out, so it actually wouldn't be unreasonable for Disney to hold back on it. They did something similar with that second Pirates movie on regular blu-ray.

Crystal Skull and the Clone Wars movie were both day and date blu-rays back in the earlier days of the format, although - at least in Crystal Skull's situation - it helped that the format war had officially ended and Paramount was no longer putting out movies on hddvd. With no format war this time around, Disney might just want to get their biggest title out there in the best available format as soon as possible.

In any event, I see the release of the other six movies on the new format as an inevitability. Yes, even the prequels. Most of the initial titles from Fox were only finished in 2k anyway, it's the expanded color and hdr they want to show off. The prequels can still benefit from the former but maybe not the latter.

8K is already out there now. I saw an 8K screen this month, yeah it looks impressive.

So what is the point in 4K if it's only half the resolution of the new 8K screens?

It's quite honestly rather ridiculous now... Where is all the content.

HDTV Broadcasts are already in terms of quality going to fall behind and how on earth will 8K get transmitted through the air. I doubt it will. It will all probably come down fibre Optic cable. Will we see the end of Broadcast video? yeah I think in the next decade we will if not down cat6 then down fiber optic.

If I buy the 60" version of a 30" 4k set, I get 8k, right?

Ryan McAvoy said:

Ronster said:

HDTV Broadcasts are already in terms of quality going to fall behind and how on earth will 8K get transmitted through the air.

Maybe because there will always be bandwidth limits on how high you can go, physical media will make a come back. 2K streaming and 8K physical discs. PT streaming online, and ST and restored OT on 8K Blu-Ray discs ;-)

Seeing as how the ST will likely not be finished at anything higher than 4k, probably not.

Fang Zei said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Ronster said:

HDTV Broadcasts are already in terms of quality going to fall behind and how on earth will 8K get transmitted through the air.

Maybe because there will always be bandwidth limits on how high you can go, physical media will make a come back. 2K streaming and 8K physical discs. PT streaming online, and ST and restored OT on 8K Blu-Ray discs ;-)

Seeing as how the ST will likely not be finished at anything higher than 4k, probably not.

Really? It's not like they don't know 8K is a thing. And it's not like they have no foresight. They're not George Lucas, after all.

Really.

That's because, for starters, 8k is overkill for 4-perf 35mm film.

Also, the vfx shots in TFA, which I'm assuming will make up a pretty sizable percentage of the movie, will not be rendered at anything higher than 4K except for the shots in that one IMAX scene.

When most of your movie is stuck at 4K to begin with, you're not going to gain much of anything by mastering it at a higher res.

Well 8K is sort of overkill for anything, but that's not going to stop it from happening.

We do live in a world now where The Shield, a show shot on 16mm film, is being remastered in 4K. So I guess anything' possible.

Wally Pfister's expert opinion was that you'd have to scan in 35mm negative at somewhere between 8k and 12k res to really get all the detail it's capturing.

It's just that 8k is prohibitively expensive right now for anything other than capturing and scanning.

It might not seem like that but the Reliance scans was done in 2010 - 2012 whilst still owned by George Lucus.

it’s now 2016 and we saw them also doing soundmixing on the speeder bike chase from ROTJ for some reason.

So something is being done what exactly is that… God knows?

Swazzy said:

Hopefully they’re not still considerring 3D conversions.

I both agree and disagree with this. I think the Original Film needs to be restored and released but I would also like it to be made more accessible to another generation of people.

I would like a new version but not a revisionist version that is just all CGI and a bunch of “New Ideas” about making it new and accessible.

But if it was left on the cutting room floor I’d be cool with that. Like Luke Snapping the scout troopers neck before throwing him off the speeder bike. It really is a snippet but it’s not CGI crap it’s of the time. It’s in keeping with what was envisioned. Do you catch my drift there. If they improved the matte paintings with proper miniatures and stuff then you know this is the stuff to actually make it 3D.

No more pancakes and no more crap CGI “make it real” but it will never happen.

Is there any hope that Disney is sitting on a surprise announcement of the original versions of the OT coming to Blu-Ray and UltraHD for the 40th anniversary next May?