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By the time some restorations are done, we will all most likely be using the .h256 HEVC codec for encoding.

There aren't any hardware decoders for this yet.

Your best bet is to use a computer, or media player, and that way you will always be current.

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Or one of those fancy new 4K BD players ;-)

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This is not necessarily conclusive. But if you want a preview of a 4k clip,

go here for a lower resolution downsample:

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k78sCL2G8HWzlYbcfkM

And download the 10 sec/20 Mpbs clip here:

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http://we.tl/qsjsSwQVdm

Report back with your results (framerates, etc), here, if you have a 4k monitor or TV to watch it on.

This is not the full high bitrate version.

You can watch the clip on lower resolution monitors, but of course with everything scaled down, you won't notice much of a difference.

We've tested it on 1080p monitors, and it ran without glitches on an I5 without a graphics card. Also viewed on an ultrawide monitor (Slightly scaled down, with an Nvidia quadro, had no problems), full screen was fine.

Video - 23.976 fps

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Even if the hypothetical BD 4k players support new codecs in hardware, they won't support newer ones, or if the specs change.

Cnet's take on it:

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The "blu" elephant in the room is whether anyone will actually care. Though BD disc sales are still a big source of revenue for the studios, their popularity is rapidly declining. Netflix and Amazon are both offering 4K streaming, Sony offers downloads, and that's certainly just the beginning.

The fact is, 4KBD will look significantly better than any streaming feed. The compression issues we've seen with HD are just as possible with UHD (though how it's compressed is different).

Sadly, most people won't care. Worse, most people won't know there's a difference. 4K is 4K to most people (and if you're reading this, I'm not counting you in the "most" group). That's a battle not likely to be won by an archaic physical media, no matter how shiny it's marketed as being. Think that's pessimistic? How many of your friends still watch DVDs?

http://www.cnet.com/news/ultra-hd-4k-blu-ray-what-we-know/

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team_negative1 said:


Your best bet is to use a computer, or media player, and that way you will always be current.

 Not once Google perfects the direct-to-brain stream.

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John Doom said:

Frank your Majesty said:

The car will never catch on, horses are more than adequate for the masses.

Cars and horses are like apples and oranges, in both functionality and uses, while 1080p TVs and 4k TVs are the same, except in resolution and size

team_negative1 said:

Cars are a poor comparison, as they are critical for infrastructure and commerce.

 I choose this comparison to paraphrase a quote of Wilhelm II: "I believe in the horse. The automobile is nothing more than a passing phenomenon." When cars were inveneted, they were not much different from horses and noone could have known what possibilities cars would eventually offer.

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Entertainment is a mere luxury and not significant in the larger scheme.

Who really needs 1080p, when 720p are fine? who really needs a TV at all? The point of luxury products is that they are not crucial to survival, so if you can afford the latest and fanciest products, why not get them?

I don't believe 4K will dominate the market, but to say there is absolutely no market for it is ridiculous.

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People like me just want to buy a TV, put it in a living room, making sure it doesn't take too much space and that it can be seen at the right distance (about 2 meters).

And for a smaller distance, a TV with a higher resolution can be better.

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4k will be a spectacular failure, much like the bluray format is compared to vhs and dvd adoption. Digital files have replaced them for flexibility and forwards improvements at a much quicker pace.

Well, I don't think digital 4k resolution will be a failure, because it will find some application one way or another.

 You still need a screen to display these digital files, even if the TV program isn't 4K. So why not buy a 4K TV for the special occasions (like watching the OOT (now I'm actually on topic)) even if you don't use its full potential all the time? I have an HDTV, but I watch the TV program in SD and I have mostly DVDs, yet when I stream HD videos or Blurays from my computer I can appreciate the higher resolution.

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4k TVs, though, are in my opinion coming too early

Everything is coming too early. Anything that's put on the market still needs development to fit the actual needs of the customers, you need their feedback to finish a product. Also, it would be too high a risk to implement the whole infrastructure for 4K if you don't know if this format will be accepted. This way, companies introduce it step by step and they will react to what ever standard will prevail.

I don't believe 4K will become the dominant fomat in the near future, but as the costs of TVs will drop, more and more people will switch. And as long as screens don't surpass the resolution of film, there will be plenty material to release in higher and higher resolutions.

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TV's Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Frank your Majesty said:

The car will never catch on, horses are more than adequate for the masses.

And to think I could have learned to ride a horse had it not been for the automobile.

Goddamn modern progress ruins everything. 

 Last I checked, horses still exist.  And not just at Taco Bell.

Yeah, but riding lessons (usually) cost money, money I'm not exactly rolling in.

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The sample looks wonderful. Why should there be any playback problems?

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If they do a restoration they should do it in the maximum possible resolution. Who cares whether people won't buy 4K at this very moment. The main point should be to preserve the film in highest possible format.

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4K has it's place in restoring, preserving, and projecting films, even if it never finds a home video niche.

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Where were you in '77?

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The sample is compressed to hell. You need at least 100MB/s for 4K to look decent with h264 and even then it will crap up the detail and smudge grain. That is why they came up with HEVC for the 4K content.

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We have higher bitrate samples, this is just to see how many people can see it at its native resolution first.

Post your machine and monitor specs also, if you know them.

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Yes, its disingenious to say that there is no point to 4k. Otherwise, we wouldn't be scanning them at that rate.

We think there is no future or purpose for an consumer commercial release in that format, especially on optical media.

We have a High Bitrate 175k sample video we will post shortly to check out.

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In my opinion, dvd sales were somewhat of a fad, that being somewhat of a misnomer. Before dvd, watching movies wasn't as easy as everyone thinks. Only major releases on vhs were affordable, and prices of vcr's weren't the same as the cheap dvd players that followed. Ten years ago, cheap dvd players cost $30 dollars. Walmart had (and still does) bargain bins of $5 dvds. People bought them by the buttload, because it was cheap. Shit, half the dvds purchased by your average consumer were probably watched once then put on the shelf. People aren't going to buy crappy movies twice when the first time they bought it, it was $5 and now its $15 on blu-ray, but they might pick up Gravity or something similiar that they'll watch more often. I still see a market for 4K physical media, but it;s not going to be like dvd, as it should be.

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Walmart had bins of cheap VHS movies too, as did other stores back in the day. And VHS decks hovered around $50 in their final years, although late models often were pretty cheapo on the inside and more plastic than metal.

Video companies such as Goodtimes even specialized in bargain bin releases, often recorded at inferior slower speeds. I was pretty surprised they made the transition into the DVD era, although they are defunct now.

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This discussion has got me thinking -- I don't think I ever owned a VHS cassette that I didn't get second hand. There's something funny about that.

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Regarding an OUT announcement, it may not be for a while yet if it's going to happen. The announcement for the GOUT was only about 4 months before the release. 

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I think that Disney & Fox will negotiate a good deal and release the Original Theatrical Unaltered Versions of the Original Star Wars Trilogy either before The Force Awakens is released to theaters or when it comes out on Blu-Ray and DVD.

Disney has unlimited money and the amount it would cost to restore all three films in 4K would probably be peanuts for them.

I'd love it if they would bring in Robert Harris to perform the restoration because he would do everything he can to make them look and sound as good as they possibly can.

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SilverWook said:

Walmart had bins of cheap VHS movies too, as did other stores back in the day. And VHS decks hovered around $50 in their final years, although late models often were pretty cheapo on the inside and more plastic than metal.

Video companies such as Goodtimes even specialized in bargain bin releases, often recorded at inferior slower speeds. I was pretty surprised they made the transition into the DVD era, although they are defunct now.

 I paid $29.99 for a brand new  4-Head Hi-Fi VCR, that was the last VCR I ever bought. That was in December of 2005. I bought my HDTV in September of 2008 and the VCR died around that same time.

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^A VCR not even a full three years old dies just like that? Damn, SilverWook must be right about how cheap last-generation VCRs were made. All the VCRs I ever owned (minus the three VCR/DVD combos I have/had) were bought second hand, and the one I held onto the longest lasted from 2002 all the way to 2007/2008. 

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DuracellEnergizer said:

^A VCR not even a full three years old dies just like that? Damn, SilverWook must be right about how cheap last-generation VCRs were made. All the VCRs I ever owned (minus the three VCR/DVD combos I have/had) were bought second hand, and the one I held onto the longest lasted from 2002 all the way to 2007/2008. 

  It was a unit from the low-end company Sylvania. Even though it died I managed to score two high-end units from the late 1990's for free, one is from Hitachi and the other is from Quasar and both are excellent units. I use them for capturing VHS Tapes onto my computer so I can burn them to DVD.

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Some of our team members are just getting into VHS players. In fact one member just got their first player 1 year ago.

It's a nice technology, but rather primitive.

It's a lot easier to record with than optical discs though.

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