If they weren't releasing them (or had no plans to in the near future), they wouldn't have put them in their advertisement. Simple as that.
I don't see any changed-for-the-SE material in that ad. Am I missing something?
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Even superimposed onto an iphone screen in a youtube video, that teal push they gave AotC for the blu-ray is obvious as ever.
AntcuFaalb said:
I don't see any changed-for-the-SE material in that ad. Am I missing something?
I didn't see any either, unless it's something completely minor.
As for the teal Attack of the Clones thing, we have to keep in mind that no one cares about unaltered Attack of the Clones, and it's stuck in 1080p anyway, so there's no reason to release anything but the blu ray for that, at least that's what I think
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I guess it's a moot point with AotC since even with its 100% original color timing it still doesn't look like Ep1 and 4-6, but I still would've preferred it be out there on blu-ray with its theatrical color just as RotS is.
As an aside, I never did get around to seeing AotC projected digitally* but I did see it several times in 35mm (more times than I'd like to admit, believe me) and I'm assuming those colors more or less matched the digital version. If that's true, then I'm wondering why RotS looks exactly as it should while AotC looks vastly different, especially considering they claimed to have gone back to "the digital source" to make fresh hd transfers for the blu-ray.
*I saw it on opening day downtown in DC on film. As fate would have it, the only theater in the entire commonwealth of Virginia showing it digitally was only a few stone throws from my house. But by the time I wanted to see it again (a month later), they'd already switched it out for the digital version of Scooby-Doo.
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
Well, there were pan and scan releases before the GOUT.
The telecines used for LD would go straight to what format tape? UMatic? 1-inch? And already letterboxed?
Usually D1 or D2.
The format on the tape matched the output format, so letterbox LD had a letterbox telecine run.
Pan and Scan were different masters, the telecine unit zoomed in optically, so you ended up with a lot more vertical resolution on the P&S master tapes, but of course, the sides were cropped off.
The argument about the restoration of the OT being too costly was total BS. There is only about, what, 8 minutes or so completely changed in Star Wars, and nearly all of the other scenes were restored anyway to use as a basis for the changes (e.g. the 'infamous speeder shot' was restored, so that it could have a Ronto added in, the shot with the Stormtroopers questioning Ben Kenobi was restored, and then had a ronto composited in, the greedo shot was restored to add Greedo shooting etc.)
So all that would have been required was adding the 1977 crawl to make a restored version, as basically all the restoration work had been done to prepare Star Wars to add the CGI in for the SE.
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There's actually over 20 minutes, possibly half an hour worth of footage changed in the first movie alone.
Harmy said:
There's actually over 20 minutes, possibly half an hour worth of footage changed in the first movie alone.
Sorry, I meant changed completely, i.e. scenes that didn't use an exisitng element, such as the new x-wing shots, and the new jabba-han scene etc. and was only talking about Star Wars, not the whole trilogy.
I think there are less than ten minutes of footage that don't use the OT as the base-element, which means those elements were all scanned and cleaned up already, so the only cost would have been the few elements that were entirely replaced to be scanned, if they weren't already.
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Oh, I see.
It all comes down to whether they decide to do it or not. Absolutely nothing is preventing them from that, it's just going to be up to the people in charge now.
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This thread survived the migration? Too bad.
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This thread survived the migration? Too bad.
I think it's still nice that he has come to a "final" conclusion after thirty pages.
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Harmy said:
Not really - you have that mixed up with matte boxes - those shouldn't be visible under ideal conditions but the matte-lines were always there (not in all shots - depending on how successful the compositing was).
Look how completely different this digitally recomposited shot looks for example:
And yes, the new composite does look better/more realistic, but so do the new digital matte-paintings and some people might argue, that CGI Dewbacks look better than immobile rubber figurines, so where does one draw the line? The above shot shows quite clearly, that re-compositing a shot digitally is definitely altering the original shot in a major way.
Fang Zei said:
Are people really gonna care, though? Yeah, they'll probably notice the matte lines, but they'll also notice a lot of other stuff that was changed.
Yes, I think people will care. Most people want to see the original films, but enhanced for modern home theater entertainment purposes. What Disney should do is release an OOT set with with two options for each film:
1) Cleaned up OOT ... basically what the SE versions should have been all along. No Greedo shooting. No rock in front of R2. No CGI Jabba. No CGI inserts AT ALL. No Boba Fett mugging. No Luke screaming. No Jedi Rocks. No Hayden Ghost. etc. But with the new composite look above.
This is what I think most people want. Just an up-to-date modernized HD home viewing experience of the original movies.
2) OOT Theatrical Release
For the purists, who should absolutely have the option to watch the theatrical versions, matte lines and all.
Kind of like how the 2006 release had the SE as the feature and GOUT as an extra bonus, purists' best shot is to get a cleaned up OT as the feature with OOT as an added bonus. jmo
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Alderaan said:
Yes, I think people will care. Most people want to see the original films, but enhanced for modern home theater entertainment purposes. What Disney should do is release an OOT set with with two options for each film:
1) Cleaned up OOT ... basically what the SE versions should have been all along. No Greedo shooting. No rock in front of R2. No CGI Jabba. No CGI inserts AT ALL. No Boba Fett mugging. No Luke screaming. No Jedi Rocks. No Hayden Ghost. etc. But with the new composite look above.
This is what I think most people want. Just an up-to-date modernized HD home viewing experience of the original movies.
2) OOT Theatrical Release
For the purists, who should absolutely have the option to watch the theatrical versions, matte lines and all.
Kind of like how the 2006 release had the SE as the feature and GOUT as an extra bonus, purists' best shot is to get a cleaned up OT as the feature with OOT as an added bonus. jmo
Kind of like what they did with the Star Trek TOS Blu-ray sets!
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Handman said:
Kind of like what they did with the Star Trek TOS Blu-ray sets!
Yeah would be similar, wouldn't it? Do it Mouse!
They are so many little changes in the SE's, not just new FX, that seamless branching both versions would be fairly complicated. What was done with the new TOS FX was very simple by comparision.
Better to have each version on a separate disc, so there are no SE changes leaking in.
Where were you in '77?
SilverWook said:
They are so many little changes in the SE's, not just new FX, that seamless branching both versions would be fairly complicated. What was done with the new TOS FX was very simple by comparision.
Better to have each version on a separate disc, so there are no SE changes leaking in.
Wook, I'm not talking about Lucas's SE garbage. What Disney should do is restore the OOT and then approve new LFL enhancements (from scratch) for an updated version.
Easy on the enhancements though! New composites fine.
Story changes, CGI additions, and all crap most people hate about the SE ... no!
They can sell that and just branch two versions ... the new 2015 enhanced version, which would be just a sleeker, better looking OOT like in Harmy's example above, and the original original.
Just like that copy of Star Treak season 1.
Alderaan said:
1) Cleaned up OOT ... basically what the SE versions should have been all along. No Greedo shooting. No rock in front of R2. No CGI Jabba. No CGI inserts AT ALL. No Boba Fett mugging. No Luke screaming. No Jedi Rocks. No Hayden Ghost. etc. But with the new composite look above.
Alderaansaid:
Wook, I'm not talking about Lucas's SE garbage. What Disney should do is restore the OOT and then approvenewLFL enhancements (from scratch) for an updated version.
Easy on the enhancements though! New composites fine.
Story changes, CGI additions, and all crap most people hate about the SE ... no!
They can sell that and just branch two versions ... the new 2015 enhanced version, which would be just a sleeker, better looking OOT like in Harmy's example above, and the original original.
Just like that copy of Star Treak season 1.
Not to burst your bubble or anything, but that will definitely not happen. There is no way. What's more likely is just the 2011 versions and the OUT in the same set. Both Disney and Fox are going to want to show respect to Lucas, and releasing a version like that would be pretty disrespectful. I think for something like that, fan edits can take care of. Also, no matter what we get, I can't imagine Luke's scream would make a return, unless of course they release the 97 SE. And Harmy's example is the official Blu Ray.
Wazzles said:
Not to burst your bubble or anything, but that will definitely not happen. There is no way. What's more likely is just the 2011 versions and the OUT in the same set. Both Disney and Fox are going to want to show respect to Lucas, and releasing a version like that would be pretty disrespectful. I think for something like that, fan edits can take care of. Also, no matter what we get, I can't imagine Luke's scream would make a return, unless of course they release the 97 SE. And Harmy's example is the official Blu Ray.
Most people don't want the official BR. They also don't want the OOT looking like it did in '77-83. They just want the OOT version looking like the official BR does now. That's the largest untapped market Disney has, and it's just fruit hanging from a tree for them. The official BR they have now could be considered Lucas's director's cut, and they re-release the new versions as official.
Alderaan said:
Most people don't want the official BR. They also don't want the OOT looking like it did in '77-83.
Considering most people I've come across who are casual fans of Star Wars still hold onto their VHS copies, I'm gonna take that statement with a grain of salt.
Tobar said:
Alderaan said:
Most people don't want the official BR. They also don't want the OOT looking like it did in '77-83.
Considering most people I've come across who are casual fans of Star Wars still hold onto their VHS copies, I'm gonna take that statement with a grain of salt.
I have my VHS copies too, but that's only because something better hasn't been released in a newer format.
