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So if the negative had faded quite a bit by 1994, and they had to replace whole sections of it with copies of the separation masters, wouldn’t the original sections have faded even more by the time they scanned it in 4K?

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DrDre said:

You can say that, but speak for yourself. While it is far from perfect, the new 4K master is miles ahead of the 2004/2011 master. I’m kind of fed up with the negativity, and the hyperboles. It would be great, if we can get a proper restoration of the OOT, but given the OT’s history, I will take what I can get.

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Well i was only thinking of how disappointed i was as a consumer. I never considered that the 4K masters would be useful for fanedits or for someone like Harmy to do a new edition of despecialized. In that i agree with the sentiments of it being useful.Not sure how you regain detail lost from it being scrubbed by overly zealous “film restorationists” But that is beyond my station. I’m no colorist or editor, Or fan restorer.

The films looked less than detailed, and A New Hope is the worst it has ever sounded in my opinion. I fell for the hype and had to get the new edition. Better than the 2011 set, yes i agree with major caveats. Better color and no edge enhancement and depending on the scene more detail but its not consistent. No original audio mix and no original version alone is enough to take away several stars from the reissue, again my opinion YMMV.

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I’ve read that the 1080p blu-ray discs included in the 4k boxed set as well as the individual 4K releases were the new scan, but the individual 1080p discs are now just the old blu-rays repackaged with the new covers. Is this true?

I think even the new D+ streaming versions are a vast improvement over the old 1080p Complete Saga (2011) boxed set, but in my opinion, you need a decent 4K TV with HDR as well as a 4K player with HDR to fully appreciate how good these new UHD discs look. I know some things certainly amount to personal preference, but I question what equipment some are looking at things on, and how their screens are calibrated.

Also, I’ve never gotten really great sound while streaming. The best sound by far is on the disc.

A lot of the technical stuff on this site is beyond me, but as someone who hates the special edition changes, I’ll just say for me to love these new discs as much as I do is saying something.

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Rodney-2187 said:

I’ve read that the 1080p blu-ray discs included in the 4k boxed set as well as the individual 4K releases were the new scan, but the individual 1080p discs are now just the old blu-rays repackaged with the new covers. Is this true?

The 1080p blu-ray-only releases were always the 2011 discs repackaged. They came out before the 4K set and releases, and were the first release to have the new packaging. That release was seen to be a backstock-clearing exercise more than anything.

The 4K set and their accompanying 4K individual releases have the same packaging design as the preceding blu-ray-only releases, but they are the only way to get the new scans on a blu-ray disc. You HAVE to buy a 4K release in order to get the new scans on a blu-ray as a pack-in.

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Rodney-2187 said:

I think constantly striving to improve on things is great for fans and everyone involved, but at some point you have to stop and smell the roses and recognize just how far watching Star Wars at home has come.

Yeah! That’s what I will tell myself whenever the OT progresses to looking better than I did with it.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Broom Kid said:

Rodney-2187 said:

I’ve read that the 1080p blu-ray discs included in the 4k boxed set as well as the individual 4K releases were the new scan, but the individual 1080p discs are now just the old blu-rays repackaged with the new covers. Is this true?

The 1080p blu-ray-only releases were always the 2011 discs repackaged. They came out before the 4K set and releases, and were the first release to have the new packaging. That release was seen to be a backstock-clearing exercise more than anything.

The 4K set and their accompanying 4K individual releases have the same packaging design as the preceding blu-ray-only releases, but they are the only way to get the new scans on a blu-ray disc. You HAVE to buy a 4K release in order to get the new scans on a blu-ray as a pack-in.

Europe or Australia have been able to get the 2019 SE versions in 18-disc blu ray box sets for some time.

This week Europe and the UK started selling the individual Star Wars films in 3-disc sets (4K, blu ray and bonus disc) or 2-disc sets (blu ray and bonus discs). Both sets contain the 2019 SE on blu ray.

Australia had been selling both the individual 3-disc and 2-disc sets for a few months (both sets with the 2019 SE on blu ray too).
 

Region-free blu ray players are awesome!

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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1368118/action/topic#1368118

Broom Kid said:

The UK blu-ray only Skywalker Saga box that was talked about frequently in this thread before the release might be different, but I don’t know that anyone who bought that one (the Wal-Mart link that kept getting posted was essentially a link to import the UK set) has written about it since they got it.

Thanks for the confirmation! It’s good to know.

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Unfortunately there are reports of scratched cases with these steelbooks. I have not had a chance to check mine yet and won’t be able to for a couple of weeks.

Quick follow-up to that previous post:

Zavvi are going to replace every copy of the Empire 4K steelbook due to the case scratches. Sadly they don’t mention changing the design 😬

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The design for Empire is good, but wasn’t what I was expecting.

I specialize in records, CDs, and pretty much anything thats got do with star wars soundtracks. If you have any old records you willing to give up DM me!

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Has the level of restoration combined with modern home theater technology achieved a level that surpasses what audiences originally were able to see in theaters?

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Rodney-2187 said:

Has the level of restoration combined with modern home theater technology achieved a level that surpasses what audiences originally were able to see in theaters?

I suggest you watch this. It’s a 3 hour video but you’ll learn a lot! 😉

https://youtu.be/G3W_O-tp0_g

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crissrudd4554 said:

Rodney-2187 said:

Has the level of restoration combined with modern home theater technology achieved a level that surpasses what audiences originally were able to see in theaters?

I suggest you watch this. It’s a 3 hour video but you’ll learn a lot! 😉

https://youtu.be/G3W_O-tp0_g

Thanks! I’ve seen it, there’s a thread on it here:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Info-Mike-Vertas-4K-Restoration-May-2020-Livestream/id/77901/page/1

As with everything else, I’ve never seen anything related to any aspect of Star Wars that wasn’t somewhat debated, lol.

I did add it to the Documentaries and Special Features spreadsheet I’ve been working on. Here’s the thread for that:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Guide-to-Star-Wars-Documentaries-and-Special-Features/id/75409

Link directly to spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mai2LI7JUYohMTvW4c8Nv213joz3xxWkFODAY6BUuKs/edit?usp=sharing

I’d love to see Mike Verta’s work get released in some fashion.

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It would be, but I wouldn’t think his copy is all that great to be honest.

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I don’t think a version that would please everyone is possible.

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No, I don’t think so either

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Rodney-2187 said:

Has the level of restoration combined with modern home theater technology achieved a level that surpasses what audiences originally were able to see in theaters?

A facile reply would be, ‘Depends on the theater’.

The theatrical experience in 1977 was compromised by factors such as:

  • The duplication stock (projection print) and how the print was made. If you saw a print made by Technicolor in the US, it might have weaker tonality than one made by Technicolor in Rome for the European market because of the high speed duplication preferred by the former. Dupe stock has improved a lot since the 70s as well, so a projection print in 1977 is less likely to have been faithful to the final answer print approved by the director.

  • Projection of the print at less than full luminance. This money saving trick is still alive and well, and I noticed it the second time I saw Solo (the first cinema I saw it at were not so stingy).

  • Projecting a worn out print.

  • Poor maintenance of the projector and not correcting for faults like misfocus, dirt behind the projector lens, motor instability and tears in the optical track.

  • Under-powered amplification and damaged speakers, and not enough speakers for Dolby Stereo (hence the need for the SW mono mix).

If you saw a new print at a theater with a good projectionist and a responsible manager, the picture quality would be pleasing but not as sharp as what you would see from a modern 4k projector. However the soundtrack would be nowhere near as immersive, even if it was in Dolby Stereo through decent speakers.

Saying that, in 1977 it is more likely there would have been an usher on hand to kick out people who were talking. And no mobiles 😁

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Cthulhunicron said:

Drew mentioned that when the 97 SE version was created, Lucasfilm did a 1080p scan of the original negative. The scan was then digitally cleaned up, revised with new cgi effects and deleted scenes, and then printed back onto film for a new “original negative.”

I know other people already corrected this, but I do want to point out that’s not what I said, or at least not what I meant. Ady was correct in his statement, that the SPECIAL EDITION elements are locked in at 2K at best, including the digitally recomposited shots.

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