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That weird area actually kind of looks like it’s two circles of replacement, one on top of another. Strangely like the twin Tatooine suns, or the shape of BB-8. (Who, now I recall, was based on a Ralph McQuarrie design concept for R2-D2.)

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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Huh, that gif shows the ship in the sky is in a different position. I also didn’t realise there were additional scurriers in 1997. Personally, I AE’d out the scurriers from the Bluray footage and use a colour corrected version of that for my own versions (with theatrical audio to remove the squeaking).

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DrDre said:

Having looked at the 1997 reference williarob shared in the past in some detail, it is clear, that the colorist clearly used the 1997 SE as a color reference for the OT. It’s also pretty obvious, that the 1997 SE prints are not as vibrant as for example a technicolor print.

Still better than the 2004/2011 coloring. I watched parts of the 4K77 and 4K83 restorations and the 2019 restoration look very similar (minus 97 additions & recuts).

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sade1212 said:

Huh, that gif shows the ship in the sky is in a different position. I also didn’t realise there were additional scurriers in 1997. Personally, I AE’d out the scurriers from the Bluray footage and use a colour corrected version of that for my own versions (with theatrical audio to remove the squeaking).

I believe the ship in the sky is different because the scurriers were retimed. I GIFed to the scurriers, not the timing.

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While I was home for Thanksgiving I looked at some of ANH on the TV at my parents’ house, which is set up very well but only does HDR10 and not DolbyVision, And it was really dull-looking and dark and just all around underwhelming. It’s strange how drastic the difference was with the DolbyVision set in my apartment; there are plenty of other movies I’ve watched on both TVs and I’ve never experienced a drop-off in quality this extreme.

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joefavs said:

While I was home for Thanksgiving I looked at some of ANH on the TV at my parents’ house, which is set up very well but only does HDR10 and not DolbyVision, And it was really dull-looking and dark and just all around underwhelming. It’s strange how drastic the difference was with the DolbyVision set in my apartment; there are plenty of other movies I’ve watched on both TVs and I’ve never experienced a drop-off in quality this extreme.

Dolby Vision is vastly superior because it includes HDR trim metadata for each individual shot of a movie, manually tone-mapped by the colorists to accommodate a wide variety of television conditions. Basically, there are several versions of the film, each optimized for a specific style of TV. So the creator’s intent is preserved as closely as possible, no matter the brightness range (or limitations) of your supported HDR TV.

Whereas, HDR10 includes just a single HDR master of the film. There’s no trim metadata, and therefore no preservation of the creator’s intent across various viewing environments. With HDR10, it’s up to the television manufacturer to tone-map the HDR master to fit their TVs’ color reproduction capabilities. So as a result, HDR10 looks wildly different on every single TV. It’s a total disaster. But if you have a really high end TV, then HDR10 should in theory look pretty good. (However, if you have a high end TV, you’re probably just using Dolby Vision instead anyway).

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The best way to watch Dolby Vision content from Disney+ as closely to the creators’ intent as possible is to purchase the flagship LG C9 OLED, and then use the “CalMAN Home” software, along with a supported spectrometer, to calibrate the TV. This is a great guide, for anyone who’s interested in doing it. It’s a few bucks, but it’s worth it for those of us who crave absolute color accuracy. https://youtu.be/q5q_R5M--m8

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joefavs said:

While I was home for Thanksgiving I looked at some of ANH on the TV at my parents’ house, which is set up very well but only does HDR10 and not DolbyVision, And it was really dull-looking and dark and just all around underwhelming. It’s strange how drastic the difference was with the DolbyVision set in my apartment; there are plenty of other movies I’ve watched on both TVs and I’ve never experienced a drop-off in quality this extreme.

That’s probably not HDR, but the tv not having a Wide Color Gamut, which are different but packaged together. My friends got a TV that was that way and they took it back. It’s crazy how they throw an “HDR” label on a single backlight TV that only shows standard colors and call it a day.

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Any device I’ve looked at them on looks dark and dull, so it seems bizarre that they’d all just be set up wrong to handle it, including my iPhone X.

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Well, I don’t have a 4K set, but I watched ANH last night in 1080p and it looked fantastic. The color timing looked extremely similar to 4K77, which is a very good thing, imo. And yeah, like others have said, many of the screenshots posted showing the colors being really washed out do NOT represent how it looked when I watched it. It was very nice looking and a real breath of fresh air compared to every other release from the past 14 years.

JEDIT: just checked on my iPad and ANH looks just as good. I did have to remember to turn my screen brightness back up. Normally I turn the brightness down to about 50% or less, but when watching videos (any videos, not just Disney+) I have to turn it up to 80%-100% for the contrast to be reasonable.

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Well he at least asked about it.

So what are these reasons he doesn’t understand? Lucas preventing it confirmed?

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DrDre said:

Jedi Master Skywalker said:

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1204960815821946880?s=21

JJ is on our sides

That’s good to hear, and I respect him for being open about his views in this matter, but he sadly also confirms the OOT will not be released for reasons even he doesn’t understand.

As far as he knows.

This is pretty major imo. We have the director of 2/3 of the ST saying on camera in a sit-down interview that he doesn’t understand why the unaltered versions haven’t been restored to modern quality. The most we’d gotten from him prior was casually mentioning he’d shown his kids the original versions in a written interview several years ago (whether this was the GOUT or Harmy is unclear).

Rian hasn’t brought up the subject at all to my knowledge since he was hired by LFL back in 2014, although he did jokingly refer to the SE as “the cartoon version” on twitter the week the bd’s came out back in 2011.

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Fang Zei said:

DrDre said:

Jedi Master Skywalker said:

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1204960815821946880?s=21

JJ is on our sides

That’s good to hear, and I respect him for being open about his views in this matter, but he sadly also confirms the OOT will not be released for reasons even he doesn’t understand.

As far as he knows.

This is pretty major imo. We have the director of 2/3 of the ST saying on camera in a sit-down interview that he doesn’t understand why the unaltered versions haven’t been restored to modern quality. The most we’d gotten from him prior was casually mentioning he’d shown his kids the original versions in a written interview several years ago (whether this was the GOUT or Harmy is unclear).

Rian hasn’t brought up the subject at all to my knowledge since he was hired by LFL back in 2014, although he did jokingly refer to the SE as “the cartoon version” on twitter the week the bd’s came out back in 2011.

I think, it goes a little bit beyond, as far as he knows. He literally states, he asked about the OOT, and was told a release wasn’t possible. So, I think it’s almost certain the OOT will not be included in the physical release of the 4K versions next year. In this respect it’s also important to note, that the new 4K master was done under the supervision of Lucas before the sale of LFM, making it even less likely the OOT will be restored, as this will be an archive release, not a new restoration by Disney. The release of the OOT is becoming less likely with every year that passes, and with physical media becoming extinct, next year will likely be the last opportunity for such a release, as the SE will forever remain the available versions on streaming services. I just don’t see it happening next year, and so I don’t see it happening at all, sadly.

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Disney revises and buries the original versions of their own films without reservation. It’s laughable to believe they would approach Star Wars any differently.

And this is why I’m boycotting Disney. It’s not merely because I hate the ST; it’s due to everything they do, their approach towards filmmaking and film preservation and copyright in general. All corporations are evil, but Disney’s a breed apart, and I won’t feed that godless abomination a single non-circulating Canadian penny.

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DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

DrDre said:

Jedi Master Skywalker said:

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1204960815821946880?s=21

JJ is on our sides

That’s good to hear, and I respect him for being open about his views in this matter, but he sadly also confirms the OOT will not be released for reasons even he doesn’t understand.

As far as he knows.

This is pretty major imo. We have the director of 2/3 of the ST saying on camera in a sit-down interview that he doesn’t understand why the unaltered versions haven’t been restored to modern quality. The most we’d gotten from him prior was casually mentioning he’d shown his kids the original versions in a written interview several years ago (whether this was the GOUT or Harmy is unclear).

Rian hasn’t brought up the subject at all to my knowledge since he was hired by LFL back in 2014, although he did jokingly refer to the SE as “the cartoon version” on twitter the week the bd’s came out back in 2011.

I think, it goes a little bit beyond, as far as he knows. He literally states, he asked about the OOT, and was told a release wasn’t possible. So, I think it’s almost certain the OOT will not be included in the physical release of the 4K versions next year. In this respect it’s also important to note, that the new 4K master was done under the supervision of Lucas before the sale of LFM, making it even less likely the OOT will be restored, as this will be an archive release, not a new restoration by Disney. The release of the OOT is becoming less likely with every year that passes, and with physical media becoming extinct, next year will likely be the last opportunity for such a release, as the SE will forever remain the available versions on streaming services. I just don’t see it happening next year, and so I don’t see it happening at all, sadly.

Those are all valid points, but I’d say the physical 4k release will sell in significantly higher numbers if an unaltered restoration is included, especially since anyone with a D+ subscription can now stream the 4k hdr SE anytime they’d like.

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Fang Zei said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

DrDre said:

Jedi Master Skywalker said:

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1204960815821946880?s=21

JJ is on our sides

That’s good to hear, and I respect him for being open about his views in this matter, but he sadly also confirms the OOT will not be released for reasons even he doesn’t understand.

As far as he knows.

This is pretty major imo. We have the director of 2/3 of the ST saying on camera in a sit-down interview that he doesn’t understand why the unaltered versions haven’t been restored to modern quality. The most we’d gotten from him prior was casually mentioning he’d shown his kids the original versions in a written interview several years ago (whether this was the GOUT or Harmy is unclear).

Rian hasn’t brought up the subject at all to my knowledge since he was hired by LFL back in 2014, although he did jokingly refer to the SE as “the cartoon version” on twitter the week the bd’s came out back in 2011.

I think, it goes a little bit beyond, as far as he knows. He literally states, he asked about the OOT, and was told a release wasn’t possible. So, I think it’s almost certain the OOT will not be included in the physical release of the 4K versions next year. In this respect it’s also important to note, that the new 4K master was done under the supervision of Lucas before the sale of LFM, making it even less likely the OOT will be restored, as this will be an archive release, not a new restoration by Disney. The release of the OOT is becoming less likely with every year that passes, and with physical media becoming extinct, next year will likely be the last opportunity for such a release, as the SE will forever remain the available versions on streaming services. I just don’t see it happening next year, and so I don’t see it happening at all, sadly.

Those are all valid points, but I’d say the physical 4k release will sell in significantly higher numbers if an unaltered restoration is included, especially since anyone with a D+ subscription can now stream the 4k hdr SE anytime they’d like.

Except that contradicts the nearly concrete evidence Abrams just gave us it ain’t happening.

I admire your optimism on the matter, but at this point you need to lower your expectations, sadly.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Fang Zei said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

DrDre said:

Jedi Master Skywalker said:

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1204960815821946880?s=21

JJ is on our sides

That’s good to hear, and I respect him for being open about his views in this matter, but he sadly also confirms the OOT will not be released for reasons even he doesn’t understand.

As far as he knows.

This is pretty major imo. We have the director of 2/3 of the ST saying on camera in a sit-down interview that he doesn’t understand why the unaltered versions haven’t been restored to modern quality. The most we’d gotten from him prior was casually mentioning he’d shown his kids the original versions in a written interview several years ago (whether this was the GOUT or Harmy is unclear).

Rian hasn’t brought up the subject at all to my knowledge since he was hired by LFL back in 2014, although he did jokingly refer to the SE as “the cartoon version” on twitter the week the bd’s came out back in 2011.

I think, it goes a little bit beyond, as far as he knows. He literally states, he asked about the OOT, and was told a release wasn’t possible. So, I think it’s almost certain the OOT will not be included in the physical release of the 4K versions next year. In this respect it’s also important to note, that the new 4K master was done under the supervision of Lucas before the sale of LFM, making it even less likely the OOT will be restored, as this will be an archive release, not a new restoration by Disney. The release of the OOT is becoming less likely with every year that passes, and with physical media becoming extinct, next year will likely be the last opportunity for such a release, as the SE will forever remain the available versions on streaming services. I just don’t see it happening next year, and so I don’t see it happening at all, sadly.

Those are all valid points, but I’d say the physical 4k release will sell in significantly higher numbers if an unaltered restoration is included, especially since anyone with a D+ subscription can now stream the 4k hdr SE anytime they’d like.

Except that contradicts the nearly concrete evidence Abrams just gave us it ain’t happening.

I admire your optimism on the matter, but at this point you need to lower your expectations, sadly.

I don’t know. JJ is known for telling white lies in interviews, just to expand hype. And interviews like this are often planned in advance. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was all set up, just to get people talking about the theatrical trilogy again, and to increase everyone’s surprise when it inevitably gets released.