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4K restoration on Star Wars — Page 298

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DrDre said:

pat man said:

DrDre can you look at AOTC again since you made adjustments to your display. Although nowhere near as atrocious as the Blu-rays teal shift, I’m still seeing a light teal shift. It now looks like a cross between the DVD and Blu-ray.
I’m still watching the 1080p Hd D+ as I don’t have any 4k tech yet.
Thanks.

Having looked at the PT in general, my conclusion is, that TPM looks the worst, and ROTS looks the best. TPM has more DNR applied to it, and its colors are more contrasty, and saturated than any of the other films. I was surprised how orange the faces are in the scene, where Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon discuss Anakin being a vergence. Overall I think this transfer is somewhat subpar, compared to other films based on a 2K DI. I was suprised how good AOTC looks, given it was filmed with 1st generation digital cameras. If a teal effect was applied to the HDR color grading, it was done very conservatively, and with good taste imo. Skies generally look pretty natural. ROTS is pretty much comparable to a modern day transfer, based on a 2K DI. The colors on AOTC and ROTS are a bit more saturated than the OT, but I think it fits the material. The HDR color grading in my view improves the blend of practical and digital effects, particulary for AOTC.

Thank you, I do agree with you on that.

One day we will have properly restored versions of the Original Unaltered Trilogy (OUT); or 1977, 1980, 1983 theatrical releases; So that future generations can enjoy these historic films that change cinema.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Will the forthcoming “filmmaker mode” standard apply to colors/brightness/contrast or just to other picture settings like the soap opera effect?

It will apply to everything. Apparently the main push behind building in a “filmmaker mode” was making sure the soap opera effect was turned off, but otherwise this seems to be pretty much the same as the movie/cinema mode pretty much all hdtv’s already have.

It’s also important to note, as discussed upthread, that even this new “filmmaker mode” won’t be the same thing as a proper calibration. Hopefully it’ll mean every tv with it built in will be as close as possible to calibrated “out of the box” at the push of a button, but the only way to know for sure that all your settings are exactly where they should be is by breaking out the scopes, taking measurements, and adjusting everything accordingly.

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4throck said:

All modern TVs come with a “calibrated” mode, usually called “movie” or “cinema”.
That’s quite close to calibrated settings, and unless you have measurement equipment (*), it’s as good as you will get.
If your TV is 1-2 years old it should be quite good really.

I have my TV set like this (movie), but with higher brightness that default for SDR. I see no problem with personal preference, as long as you keep the baseline in mind.

  • Yes, the correct white point will look yellowish. It’s usually even marked as “warm2” on many sets.
    But it IS the correct white reference.

You can check this even with no equipment.

  • Get 6500k (D65) led lamps.
  • If you have a window, look at an overcast sky.

Whites on the TV should match these references 😉

I’ve never understood this approach, as both an avid film viewer and cinematographer.

White is white, not yellow tinted. These modes are often called “cinema,” but never once in a theater have I seen a film projected with a “warm” color temperature, unless it was intentionally color timed that way. If anything, many theaters project their films with a more “cold” setting, which is equally as ugly.

I always keep my sets at “normal” and then tune in saturation, tint, etc.

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While the warm setting is usually a good starting point what I’ve seen (I also use Warm 1 IIRC), you can’t just opt it and be done with it. You need to push the blues forward to tune the yellow out. And tune most other colors as well. Just from my limited experience. None of the out-of-the-box settings is even close.

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Your eyes are great at white balancing. You look at something that is “white” and your brain will make it so.

I do have to disagree with Dr. Dres approach with TV settings. I have my TV set to appropriate settings for Dolby Vision and while every other film looks fine, these films are definitely undersaturated. Re tuning your TV should not be the solution here.

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Chewielewis said:

Your eyes are great at white balancing. You look at something that is “white” and your brain will make it so.

I do have to disagree with Dr. Dres approach with TV settings. I have my TV set to appropriate settings for Dolby Vision and while every other film looks fine, these films are definitely undersaturated. Re tuning your TV should not be the solution here.

The problem here is, that no two TVs are the same, and so the “appropriate” settings for Dolby Vision will only give you the factory standard, which is flawed at best, especially considering no TV exists, that can really take full advantage of Dolby Vision’s capabilities. Then there’s the fact, that each film is graded differently, and so without some objective standard, there really is no right or wrong setting. Hence “each film looks fine” is just a matter of opinion. So, in my view there’s no other way then to tune the TV to some objective standard, or your own personal taste. The OT films are less vibrant than other films, but that is to be expected, and none of the films were super saturated on the big screen to begin with. In my case my TV settings are such that the colors for the OT look very natural for a film from the 1970s and 1980s, better than I’ve ever seen them in fact, but not undersaturated, while other more modern films are more saturated, but not excessively so, and also look natural.

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No TV modes are accurate to spec. And tuning by eye can only get you so far. Hopefully the upcoming “filmmaker mode” will change that. But right now, it’s best to use a calibration device to get you closest to industry spec as possible.
If you happen to have an LG B7 OLED, Steve Yedlin has shared his calibration settings, which should get you in the right ballpark.
http://www.yedlin.net/171030.html

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I’ve never understood copying someone else’s calibration settings (which seems to be very common on A/V forums and groups). It doesn’t account for the variance from set to set, even if they’re the same exact model. And it completely ignores the fact that each tv is in a unique environment with its own lighting.

FWIW, I’ve checked out bits of all the OT and TPM, just in regular HD, and I think the OT color grading is surprisingly nice. I haven’t watched the prequels in over 10 years and the SE has been even longer than that. But I’m so pleased they finally got rid of the garish mess of color grading that was introduced with the DVDs that I’m seriously thinking about watching all the “official cannon” films in chronological order prior to TROS in December.

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Is there any news of the Disney+ releases being available on UHD bluray soon?

R4

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mykyta-R4 said:

Is there any news of the Disney+ releases being available on UHD bluray soon?

Nothing through official channels as far as I know, but it seems like it’s kind of an open secret that there’ll be a saga boxed set around the time TROS hits home video.

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canofhumdingers said:

I’ve never understood copying someone else’s calibration settings (which seems to be very common on A/V forums and groups). It doesn’t account for the variance from set to set, even if they’re the same exact model. And it completely ignores the fact that each tv is in a unique environment with its own lighting.

If it’s the same model, you’ll get in the right ballpark. And the point is to calibrate the panel… not the “unique environment.” A room with the lights dimmed down shouldn’t be much different from another room with the lights dimmed down. And if you have something in your room that’s crazy enough to affect the image on your TV that drastically, then you should probably fix that thing and not adjust the display to counteract it…

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If our understanding of their process, they would have had to recreate it since it was a 2004 change.

PM me for links to my edits; apparently, some feel shy about this.

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Broom Kid said:

I might be seeing things - but I think they re-did the shirt coloration “fix” (which was never a fix) on Han Solo just before carbon freeze?

Here’s the screencap from the blu-rays
https://i0.wp.com/caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-11293.jpg

And here’s what I’m seeing on Disney+
https://i.imgur.com/ChQ9Cc7.jpg

Looks like they basically re-did the shirt texture entirely

It looks like it comes from the same source to me; however, it looks like the colorist probably masked it off and “smeared” it a bit to tone down the texture and make it less obvious.

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True! Although they could have just left it alone, too, since it wasn’t ever an error.

IIRC at the time, everyone swore up and down it was evidence of bad continuity (He’s not wearing a jacket! Now he’s wearing his vest! Now it’s back off again) but shortly after the change was made, I think a behind-the-scenes video of that scene’s filming revealed the set lights coming on and casting those shadows on him.

But FWIW, this new change does look better than the last one did.

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So, have only some of the ‘04/‘11 changes been redone but others pulled from the same source? Off the top of my head, so far we’ve spotted the aurebesh tractor beam readout on the Death Star in ANH and Anakin’s eyebrows in RotJ as having been redone.

What about the blinking Ewoks? R2 spazzing out during the Endor battle? The first shot in the approach to Mos Eisley (which now has ‘97 and ‘04 changes)?

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The Anakin force ghost seems to be redone as well. The composite actually seems more noticeable to me. The 04/11 composite was cleaner. (Or maybe it’s the change in color grading that’s throwing off the composite). Either way, it looks a bit more odd than before.

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Oh gosh you’re right oh no

she/her

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The Mos Eisley speeder shot strikes me as redone, but I can’t do a comparison at the moment.
At least on my screen Hayden’s ghost looks fine.

PM me for links to my edits; apparently, some feel shy about this.

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I don’t have Disney+.
Is the Jabba model in ANH redone, or is it still the SE04 one?
And how looks Luke’s saber in the falcon at the training?

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Jabba model looks the same to me:

Lightsabers looks right throughout the trilogy:

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Thank you for the shots. 😃
Yes, sadly that Jabba looks the same.
But finally they fixed the saber to a perfect blue.
I’ve never understand, why it was green in SEO4.
In the same DVD Box is a Bonus DVD, the menu have that scene and there it’s perfect blue too.

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I’ve been meaning to ask this: are the Falcon cockpit shots in ESB still cropped?