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moviefreakedmind said:

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G E Predator said:

I did read about Disney and Lucasfilms working out a deal with 20th Century Fox to get the original theatrical versions released on HD Blu-Ray and DVD.  Knowing how Disney promotes their films, they may very well have them out in time for the release of Episode 7.

 When did you read this, do you have a link to it? Was it just speculation, or was there some kind of inside information?

 About a few weeks ago.  At the time, I found it, I was searching for a download link for Star Wars De-specialized Edition(mission accomplished BTW)

http://wegotthiscovered.com/blu-ray/theatrical-cuts-original-star-wars-trilogy-possibly-heading-bluray/#!btq9Ee

At this point, it's simply a rumor but it's highly plausible.

 I hope you're right.

 I hope so too.  It's is all what virtually every fan ever wants.

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I still say it sounds too good to be true, and if it's happening, it's happening to the SEs, since those are not only easier to restore, but probably less costly. This sounds way too good to be true. 

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Mike O said:

I still say it sounds too good to be true, and if it's happening, it's happening to the SEs, since those are not only easier to restore, but probably less costly. This sounds way too good to be true. 

 Does it really seem like that crazy of an idea though? I agree that if this rumor came up when George Lucas was in charge I would say it's not true. But I don't think the idea of Disney restoring the OUT is something that's, "way too good to be true." I'm not saying that this project is the OUT, but what would Disney really have to gain from restoring in 4K the recent, and most criticized, version of the SE, and then release it again on blu ray when the SE's have already been released on blu ray? It's a bad way to get people to re-buy movies that've already been released, and including the OUT is an excellent way to justify another release of the OT. I'm just saying, the idea that Disney would want to release the OUT is not something that's at all hard for me to believe, pretty much all Star Wars fans would buy it (even SE fans), not only that but I'm sure if the marketing is clever they could get a lot of ordinary people who just put up with the SE changes to get it too. I'm not going to bet money on getting the OUT next year, but the more I think about it I just can't see Disney releasing the SE's without the OUT being included in some form. Also, anyone who doesn't care about the SE changes isn't going to care about the absence of SE changes, especially since 99% of the changes are completely terrible looking and pointless, so people who are unaware aren't going to not buy this version just because it doesn't include the SE's.

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^I can't picture them trying to block the OUT from seeing the light of day, but like I said before, once they announce their next release of the OT we'll know if we'll see the OUT released again.

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Well, one could argue that the simple lack of official comment on the unaltered films is hope that they are at least considering it. Seriously, if they never want to release it (something I highly doubt) then I think they'd plainly state that when asked, and, as moviefreakedmind said, they'll be asked whenever the next blu ray release is announced, assuming the next release isn't the unaltered versions.

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TMBTM said:

I don't even understand why someone would want to "de-canonize" the PT or the Clone Wars. It would just add more mess to the whole thing in the mind of the audience. It would look like they do not know what they're doing. They'd de-canonize some of the movies of the series to remove some concepts that some fans don't like so they could...what? It does not make any sens. Not only from a marketing point of view but also from a storytelling point of view. You can't tell the audience a tale, then, when you arrive to some chapters, sundenly say "wait, no, forget about those early chapters I told you before. What I really wanted to tell you is THIS." It would look so unprofessional... So bad. It would be WAY worse than keeping the PT the way they are and find good stories to tell anyway. THAT would look professional, and maybe working with some concepts that you don't like much can lead to some creativity.

What if they want to tell a story in which someone who wasn't born special decides that they want to use The Force? What if they want to tell the story of how Palpatine taught himself how to use The Force?

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^Those stories could still be told, albeit as out-of-continuity stories.

Of course, I'm all in favour of tossing the PT right out, negative reactions be damned.

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For everyone wondering whether or not the OUT will EVER be released, we'll know once they release their next blu ray release of the OT. If the OUT is not included, then they're surely going to be asked in interviews, and if they say something like, "those aren't the original vision for the films," or, "those aren't the official versions," then we'll know for sure that we'll never see them released again. If they say, "We're exploring restoration options," or, "the project could take a while," then that means they'll consider it and probably release it eventually. Finally, if it is included (which I honestly think it will be), then there's nothing to worry about.

 Even if it was included, there'd still be plenty to worry about. For one, there is the issue of the transfer - there may be plenty of things to ruin that. Then there's also the possibility, of a fake OOT, where only the most obvious changes are removed from the 4K transfer of the SE they apparently already have. Disney doesn't really have a great track record in this area - lots of Disney movies are DVNRed to death and many are not available in their original theatrical form.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

^Those stories could still be told, albeit as out-of-continuity stories.

Of course, I'm all in favour of tossing the PT right out, negative reactions be damned.

Methinks they'll say the PT is canon just to avoid pissing anyone off, but future Disney movies won't be beholden to anything that happened in the prequels, like I can guarantee that we'll never hear the words midichlorian or gun gun again (praise God). The majority of people going to see Ep. VII probably don't even remember much of what happened in the PT anyway; seriously, from my experience no one I've met in the real world has any recollection of the PT, they just say, "oh, they weren't as good as the originals," or, "the acting sucked." It's only in places like TFN that you see PT fanboys.

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Harmy said:

moviefreakedmind said:

For everyone wondering whether or not the OUT will EVER be released, we'll know once they release their next blu ray release of the OT. If the OUT is not included, then they're surely going to be asked in interviews, and if they say something like, "those aren't the original vision for the films," or, "those aren't the official versions," then we'll know for sure that we'll never see them released again. If they say, "We're exploring restoration options," or, "the project could take a while," then that means they'll consider it and probably release it eventually. Finally, if it is included (which I honestly think it will be), then there's nothing to worry about.

 Even if it was included, there'd still be plenty to worry about. For one, there is the issue of the transfer - there may be plenty of things to ruin that. Then there's also the possibility, of a fake OOT, where only the most obvious changes are removed from the 4K transfer of the SE they apparently already have. Disney doesn't really have a great track record in this area - lots of Disney movies are DVNRed to death and many are not available in their original theatrical form.

 This. There has been so much damage done to the OOT over the years, so many different versions, they even if they were working on it, there's still plenty tobe apprehensive   about. 

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Harmy said:

 Even if it was included, there'd still be plenty to worry about. For one, there is the issue of the transfer - there may be plenty of things to ruin that. Then there's also the possibility, of a fake OOT, where only the most obvious changes are removed from the 4K transfer of the SE they apparently already have. Disney doesn't really have a great track record in this area - lots of Disney movies are DVNRed to death and many are not available in their original theatrical form.

 Well, if they scan the negative (the 97 SE) there wouldn't be as many minute easy to miss changes since a lot of those didn't start happening until 2004. Also, I wouldn't exactly be heartbroken if they use the "Episode IV" title crawl. The only change I could see them forgetting about is the matte painting rebels at the end of Star Wars, and even then I just can't imagine them skipping over a change. Wouldn't, if they use the negative, they scan the 97 negative, and then go into storage and scan ALL of the removed parts, assuming they still exist, that way they'd be able to see every single cut part and know what all they have to re-add (I don't have any knowledge of the LFL warehouse but I'm sure they'd store them all in the same place). Also, wouldn't the places in the negative where the changes took place be marked, that way they'd know exactly which parts to remove? Or, couldn't they do a restoration on technicolor prints of the original films, that way there's no chance of getting SE changes? I just think if they're going to release and advertise the OOT then they'll make sure it's the actual OOT, and not a half OT, half SE. Then again, I have little knowledge about film restoration so I shouldn't be making any assumptions.

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It seems possible that if they do it, they'd just slip an IP-sourced simple catalog transfer onto disc 2. Which is fine by me, it's much harder to screw up. And it would be on par with the Blade Runner set and most movies in general, which is mostly what we've been harping on all this time anyway. If they make a big announcement about the originals getting 4k rebuilt, it might be like announcing: "the policy of the last 17 years has been really stupid. We are now spending way, way more money than necessary to correct it!" Which is not a very Lucasfilm-y or Disney-ish thing.

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As long as I get an HD OUT that looks good on modern television sets I'll be satisfied. Star Wars deserves better, but at least we can watch it in HD.

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As long as I get an HD OUT that looks good on modern television sets I'll be satisfied. Star Wars deserves better, but at least we can watch it in HD.

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You can say that again.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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Baronlando said:

It seems possible that if they do it, they'd just slip an IP-sourced simple catalog transfer onto disc 2. Which is fine by me, it's much harder to screw up. And it would be on par with the Blade Runner set and most movies in general, which is mostly what we've been harping on all this time anyway. If they make a big announcement about the originals getting 4k rebuilt, it might be like announcing: "the policy of the last 17 years has been really stupid. We are now spending way, way more money than necessary to correct it!" Which is not a very Lucasfilm-y or Disney-ish thing.

 Well, I think that's something they'd potentially do, since it's simple. I agree with moviefreakedmind that Star Wars does deserve 4k restoration, but I'd be 100% satisfied if we get something that looks good on modern TV's (that's all we've ever really wanted I think). I think it's possible that they'd use an IP, since that'd be a lot more simple than going back to the '97 negative and finding the removed parts of the negative and piecing things back together, and if they use an unaltered print then we wouldn't have to worry about them leaving in any '97 changes by accident.

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It does deserve a 4K restoration, but I think Richard Dawkins will covert to Christianity before it happens. I think that the above-mentioned is probably the best-case scenario. It would certainly be better than what we've gotten previously, but in terms of film history, it probably wouldn't be the preservation it deserved of look good in the post-Blu-ray generation. And with Kodak going under by the end of the year, 4K would be a best-case for an restoration. But I suppose we'll have to take what we can get. And it's still all speculation at this point, I'm still reticent to believe even partial good news.

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Unfortunately I'm sure the disney guys are looking at the numbers for copies sold when it comes to non-new release movies and they're pretty brutal

(http://www.the-numbers.com/home-market/bluray-sales/2014  )

I'm sure Star Wars '77 would be a cut above most catalog titles and do fine, but when deciding what kind of money to spend on it: a pricey full restoration vs. a basic catalog treatment, which would be almost all gravy, it's easy to see which path they'd rather chose. I would love to be wrong.

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Well, yes it is sad that Star Wars wouldn't get a true restoration. But honestly, at this point, I'd find it hard to be disappointed if they just gave it the basic catalog treatment, something I'm sure they'd be willing to do. I'm sure an unaltered Star Wars release would sell well, but I doubt Disney wants to take any risks, so they'd take the most cost efficient route.

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Modern Disney is such a goddamn skinflint. I wish God would allow Walt to return from the Other Side so that the man can put the soul back into the soulless corporation his company's become.

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Can we think of any other reason this 4K transfer might've been made?

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Modern Disney is such a goddamn skinflute.

FTFY

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Baronlando said:

Unfortunately I'm sure the disney guys are looking at the numbers for copies sold when it comes to non-new release movies and they're pretty brutal

(http://www.the-numbers.com/home-market/bluray-sales/2014  )

I'm sure Star Wars '77 would be a cut above most catalog titles and do fine, but when deciding what kind of money to spend on it: a pricey full restoration vs. a basic catalog treatment, which would be almost all gravy, it's easy to see which path they'd rather chose. I would love to be wrong.

 The physical media market is as dead disco. Just further evidence that we're likely to get the short end of the stick. 

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Its not like Song of the South is it?

We restored the movie in HD and then we sent it to a vault to never be seen again.

I know its an altogether different thing but what are the chances a pristine oot has existed since the 1990's and Lucas just did not want it out there.

They undertook a multi mission dollar restoration yet they have no good prints or elements, i think there is something wrong with this picture.

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TMBTM said:

I don't even understand why someone would want to "de-canonize" the PT or the Clone Wars. It would just add more mess to the whole thing in the mind of the audience. It would look like they do not know what they're doing. They'd de-canonize some of the movies of the series to remove some concepts that some fans don't like so they could...what? It does not make any sens. Not only from a marketing point of view but also from a storytelling point of view. You can't tell the audience a tale, then, when you arrive to some chapters, sundenly say "wait, no, forget about those early chapters I told you before. What I really wanted to tell you is THIS." It would look so unprofessional... So bad. It would be WAY worse than keeping the PT the way they are and find good stories to tell anyway. THAT would look professional, and maybe working with some concepts that you don't like much can lead to some creativity.

What if they want to tell a story in which someone who wasn't born special decides that they want to use The Force? What if they want to tell the story of how Palpatine taught himself how to use The Force?

Then just find other stories to tell. That's what I meant by creativity. I prefer keeping the PT as are and where they are (in the past) and find new stories that don't go against either the PT or the OT and use the better elements of both trilogies (so obviously less PT and more OT...). In other words: better go foward than turning the knife in the wound by "de-canonizing" the PT just because we don't like them. It would really looks like a bad move to me. Just think about the kids who grew up with the PT and love them. It would be worse for them than what the Special Edition is for us.

Now, I would like to see what Adywan can do with the PT! But that's another story!