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Not sure.

Could you post an ESB Emperor comparison perchance?

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I haven’t ripped my ESB Blu-ray yet actually, I’ll get on that. Just going off memory, the 19SE hologram looks different to me.

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I’d really like to see a pic of the Death Star praxis wave. I assume it’s no longer washed out like it was on the DVD/Blu?

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Depheros said:

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Yes, everything post-1997 has been redone. I’m guessing the 1997 scenes have their pre-2004 compositing too? Not sure. (were 97SE shots recomp’ed in 2004 or am I remembering that wrong?)

The recomps were done in ‘97 from what I remember.

EDIT: nevermind, just realized I might’ve read your question wrong. What exactly do you mean by “recomping the 97SE shots”?

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I think some additional recomps were done in 2004, but I can’t recall specifics.

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There were definitely some recomps done for 2004 - for example the introduction of the imperial fleet in TESB. Would be curious if they recomped it again for 19SE or kept the original compositing.

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pat man said:

nl0428 said:

pat man said:

nl0428 said:

If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?

I didn’t see the 3d release. But skimming through the movies the Prequels are just upscaled Blu-ray. I.e. nasty teal shift in Aotc.

I seriously would like to understand why people who do 4K HDR remasters have such a love for adding unappealing teal filters to their older films. Especially when it’s not the accurate color grading the movie had when released.

Make them look like modern films.

It really doesn’t, it just ruins the original look of the film and almost looks like it’s done by someone to try to modernize something by its look, when you don’t need to do something as unnecessary as that, as these classics will remain timeless and continue to stand the test of time by their quality.

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nl0428 said:

pat man said:

nl0428 said:

pat man said:

nl0428 said:

If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?

I didn’t see the 3d release. But skimming through the movies the Prequels are just upscaled Blu-ray. I.e. nasty teal shift in Aotc.

I seriously would like to understand why people who do 4K HDR remasters have such a love for adding unappealing teal filters to their older films. Especially when it’s not the accurate color grading the movie had when released.

Make them look like modern films.

It really doesn’t, it just ruins the original look of the film and almost looks like it’s done by someone to try to modernize something by its look, when you don’t need to do something as unnecessary as that, as these classics will remain timeless and continue to stand the test of time by their quality.

Preaching to the choir. You asked why, and he told you what the revisionist colorists are motivated by.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

nl0428 said:

pat man said:

nl0428 said:

pat man said:

nl0428 said:

If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?

I didn’t see the 3d release. But skimming through the movies the Prequels are just upscaled Blu-ray. I.e. nasty teal shift in Aotc.

I seriously would like to understand why people who do 4K HDR remasters have such a love for adding unappealing teal filters to their older films. Especially when it’s not the accurate color grading the movie had when released.

Make them look like modern films.

It really doesn’t, it just ruins the original look of the film and almost looks like it’s done by someone to try to modernize something by its look, when you don’t need to do something as unnecessary as that, as these classics will remain timeless and continue to stand the test of time by their quality.

Preaching to the choir. You asked why, and he told you what the revisionist colorists are motivated by.

I know. I’m just saying that if this continues to happen with more classics, I’ll gladly avoid 4K releases and stick with regular Blu-rays.

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bttfbrasilfan said:

Depheros said:

I haven’t ripped my ESB Blu-ray yet actually, I’ll get on that. Just going off memory, the 19SE hologram looks different to me.

Well, if you wanna do quick comparisons, you don’t need to rip your Blu-ray. Use this:
https://starwarsscreencaps.com/star-wars-episode-v-the-empire-strikes-back-1980/35

True. Didn’t feel like trying to match one of those frames though. Usually the redone stuff has just a slight difference in position/size, hard to tell if it’s not the same frame.

Emperor

Looks about the same to me.

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Looks like the 04 hologram was largely monochrome, while the 19 one has color. Interesting.

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Adywan’s Star Wars Revisited edits are to Blade Runner: The Final Cut as the original theatrical releases of the original trilogy are to the original version of Blade Runner.

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FreezingTNT2 said:

nl0428 said:

pat man said:

nl0428 said:

pat man said:

nl0428 said:

If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?

I didn’t see the 3d release. But skimming through the movies the Prequels are just upscaled Blu-ray. I.e. nasty teal shift in Aotc.

I seriously would like to understand why people who do 4K HDR remasters have such a love for adding unappealing teal filters to their older films. Especially when it’s not the accurate color grading the movie had when released.

Make them look like modern films.

It really doesn’t, it just ruins the original look of the film and almost looks like it’s done by someone to try to modernize something by its look, when you don’t need to do something as unnecessary as that, as these classics will remain timeless and continue to stand the test of time by their quality.

This is why I want a remake of the OT and PT more than a modern-looking remaster. (If they don’t get remade as movies, then they should be retold/rebooted as a live-action TV series)

No.

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Echoing ChainsawAsh: the colors are changed, which may go along with the overall changes to the color timing.

The new version has Palpatine’s skin tone visible and less of a blue tint. In the Blu-ray version his hologram is blue all over except for his yellow eyes. I forget, were the '04 DVD version colors like the new Disney+ or the Blu-ray?

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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The 04 DVD and Blu-Ray colors are the same except a few specific shots that people complained about in 04.

a trolling bantha

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OK, so this is a new change then.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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Depheros said:

bttfbrasilfan said:

Depheros said:

I haven’t ripped my ESB Blu-ray yet actually, I’ll get on that. Just going off memory, the 19SE hologram looks different to me.

Well, if you wanna do quick comparisons, you don’t need to rip your Blu-ray. Use this:
https://starwarsscreencaps.com/star-wars-episode-v-the-empire-strikes-back-1980/35

True. Didn’t feel like trying to match one of those frames though. Usually the redone stuff has just a slight difference in position/size, hard to tell if it’s not the same frame.

Emperor

Looks about the same to me.

In the second shot they added a shadow over the Emperor’s eyes, to match the first shot. So that’s something. But in the first shot they made the area around the eyes brighter and redder, which is a bit odd.

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Yes, his eyes are less visible in the side view as a result. In the 04 version they were strikingly visible there (especially with the greater blue tint).

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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Do we have caps of some of the more egregious edge enhancement and DNR application on Phantom Menace to use as a baseline? I’m curious to see how those instances look compared to what got uploaded to Disney+ yesterday.

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I wonder if the rancor recomposites remain. Those were some of the only good '04 alterations, owing to the darkness of the scene.

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FreezingTNT2 said:

emanswfan said:

Adywan is definitely not doing anything more than 720p for his edits still, but I’m planning on creating 4K versions of Revisited via AI upscaling along with a 10 bit upsampled HDR color grade.

I would love to see Harmy do 4K Despecialized however if he’s up to it. Although I’m still wondering about if the detail level is really greater in these new 4K masters.

Which ANH:R are you going to be doing? The original ANH:R, or ANH:R HD?

I’m waiting for ANH:R HD, in fact I’m waiting for the BD-25 releases of all three HD Revisited edits because of the higher bit rate. I will post some example screenshots and clips tho for ESB:R based off the MKV.

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It looks like the disappearing Y Wings are back.

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nl0428 said:

pat man said:

nl0428 said:

If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?

I didn’t see the 3d release. But skimming through the movies the Prequels are just upscaled Blu-ray. I.e. nasty teal shift in Aotc.

I seriously would like to understand why people who do 4K HDR remasters have such a love for adding unappealing teal filters to their older films. Especially when it’s not the accurate color grading the movie had when released.

It’s not a “teal filter” but rather a fairly standard Kodak print emulation, which happens to have some more analogue teal-like blues that make their way into the midtones and shadows.

It’s an interesting debate, because early digital releases of films were often scanned from the negative and then given a digital grade back when digital grading was very primitive. So they have a very digital look. (The OT 2004/2011 SE is a perfect example of this). So for years, we’ve gotten used to how old movies shot on film look after they’ve been colored for SDR screens.

But lately, studios and colorists have started to take a different approach: rather than going with a purely digital grade on top of the scanned negative, they now will oftentimes seek to emulate how the films would have looked in a theatrical setting, with an actual print.

I’m not sure where my opinion rests on the matter. But it’s not just someone saying “hey let’s just make this teal for no reason.” It’s an actual discussion that happens as to whether or not they should run with just a correction applied to the negative, or if they should emulate a print stock. There’s a great argument to be made for both methods.

In this case, I quite like it. The prequels now look a lot more like how they appeared in theaters, and the new look really brings down the harsh digital aesthetic. I personally dig it.

I’ve hated the alteration of colors for various other 4K HDR versions, though. I guess it just depends on the film for me.