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Tobar said:

Is this a brand new audio mix as well? It has the Threepio narration over the death star plans and also has “Close the blast doors!”

That’s been there since 1997.

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I can confirm that Hayden is still present, Jedi Rocks is too, along with the rocks in front of R2 and the '04 Jabba, but with different colors. Will try to grab screenshots once the servers stop acting so buggy.

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Personally I assume they have enough awareness of these things and have done a once over that may also be related to any ways they had already been planning to regrade or otherwise touch up for UHD or even left from the 3D re-releases.

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ATMachine said:

Somebody ought to make “Han spoke last” T-shirts.

Greedo babbled last.

Not in the original version he didn’t! 😉

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act on instinct said:

Personally I assume they have enough awareness of these things and have done a once over that may also be related to any ways they had already been planning to regrade or otherwise touch up for UHD or even left from the 3D re-releases.

Yeah, I highly doubt Disney was involved in any of the “creative” decisions on the changes here. Man, I really was expecting just the 2011 releases…

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BedeHistory731 said:

Tobar said:

Is this a brand new audio mix as well? It has the Threepio narration over the death star plans and also has “Close the blast doors!”

That’s been there since 1997.

My understanding was that the only mix that had both of those together was the original mono mix.

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I’m guessing that despite being in 4K Dolby Vision, these releases are mere 1080p upscales.
The Special Editions were only mastered in 1080p, and they have to restore the unaltered edition and release it as-is or recreate the 2011 Special Editions from scratch with the new restoration if they want to do a native 4K release.

I really hope that these are just placeholder transfers and that the inevitable 4K releases next year are actually the unaltered editions and not smeary 1080p upscales.

If that doesn’t happen, well, at least we have 4K77 and 4K83, with 4K80 coming in the future.

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This altered Greedo scene, once again, makes no sense.

  • First, of all, if Mr. Lucas really wanted to make it clear the Han was shooting in self defense (which it already was clear), why not, instead of altering the shot of the guns ablazin’, why not add the sound of Greedos blaster “powering up” as he says “I’ve been looking forward to this…”? Even add a slight movement to Greedo’s hand and blaster just to make it perfectly clear?

  • Why are they adding a new explosion which just makes the next cut more jarring? The screen fills up almost entirely with a white-ish smoke - cut to next shot - almost all of the smoke is gone. Agree with above post: is Greedo filled with C-4? Why not fix the entire thing by going the Adywan route: use frame of non-dummy Greedo and add blaster fire with a BIT of smoke? Boom. Done.

  • Why the extra Greedo dialogue?! It’s not even subtitled! What is he supposed to be saying to Han? How does this enhance the scene? AAAND we all know it’s obviously the PREVIOUS shot just zoomed in-…plus, the removal of the dude walking by on the right. They didn’t even remove the bit of light that is visible to the immediate right of Greedos face that disappears as the dude passes by in front of a light.

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Looking at the screenshots posted so far, it does look like a new master but not necessarily a new scan, because the clarity/detail level is comparable to or worse than the 2004 masters.
It might be that they simply found the 2004 digital masters before the color grading and sharpening and upscaled them and gave them a new grade, which would have been necessary for HDR anyway.

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That perspective really makes the 4KSE look like a desaturated 35mm scan. But I can’t really tell, other than the bluray being over sharpened along with some other color strangeness, how much is related to the way that the bluray was cleaned up vs use of a different source. The vignette, was it corrected for the bluray or is it more present from another scan after they decided not to use the blurays?

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act on instinct said:

That perspective really makes the 4KSE look like a desaturated 35mm scan. But I can’t really tell, other than the bluray being over sharpened along with some other color strangeness, how much is related to the way that the bluray was cleaned up vs use of a different source. The vignette, was it corrected for the bluray or is it more present from another scan after they decided not to use the blurays?

Some of the vignette comes from the Disney+ pause overlay. It wouldn’t fully disappear when I took the screenshot.

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I’m only at the sand people attack, so I can’t speak to the Greedo alterations, but so far I think I kind of like the color? It’s not gonna please anyone who’s dead set on it looking like a technicolor print, but as a version that will play more seamlessly with the ST, it’s kind of nice. I glanced at AOTC as well just to see how the upscale went and that looked a bit more consistent too. I think uniformity across trilogies was likely a goal here, and truth be told I don’t hate it. I’ll always have my bootlegs, after all.

EDIT: I laughed out loud at the Greedo shot.

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Harmy said:

Looking at the screenshots posted so far, it does look like a new master but not necessarily a new scan, because the clarity/detail level is comparable to or worse than the 2004 masters.
It might be that they simply found the 2004 digital masters before the color grading and sharpening and upscaled them and gave them a new grade, which would have been necessary for HDR anyway.

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I’m sticking with your Despecialized editions!!!

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Harmy said:

Looking at the screenshots posted so far, it does look like a new master but not necessarily a new scan, because the clarity/detail level is comparable to or worse than the 2004 masters.
It might be that they simply found the 2004 digital masters before the color grading and sharpening and upscaled them and gave them a new grade, which would have been necessary for HDR anyway.

I feel like you’re overthinking it.

This has to be from the 4k 16-bit restoration we first heard about more than five years ago. Now we know why it took so long to get out there. Disney clearly wanted to save it for their streaming service.

I was checking out the ESB duel and it looks identical to the brief glimpses we got in Reliance MediaWorks’ sizzle reel, and not like the blu-ray.

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I think that maybe the 4K restorations by Reliance are what got uploaded to Disney+

What makes me think that?

Because the Greedo scene has a NEW CHANGE in it.

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If that’s the case, which honestly, it probably is, then the quality of it seems to be pretty bad. I’ll probably be sticking to the BD for Despecialized because at least there we know what changes were made to it and the quality seems comparable, if not better.

I’d really like someone to post a comparison screenshot of that ROTJ Luke shot from 4K83 and DEED v2.5. Can’t do it myself right now as I’m at work.

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edit: LOL, for some reason the forum zipped me past a whole page of conversation where I thought I was getting in way earlier in the discussion than I actually did. Apologies.

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Could it be that for both the 4K and the 2004 masters, this reel of ROTJ was scanned from the same non-ONeg source, which already got blurred when being copied? This is only way I can see that would explain the lack of fine detail in both, if they are different scans.

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Harmy said:

If that’s the case, which honestly, it probably is, then the quality of it seems to be pretty bad. I’ll probably be sticking to the BD for Despecialized because at least there we know what changes were made to it and the quality seems comparable, if not better.

I don’t think the quality can really be assessed from a screenshot of 4K video streaming content. A comparison would have to be made with HD streaming, which in of itself has far less detail then the bluray. The real comparison can only be made with the eventual hard copy versions, but considering the generally poor quality of the bluray, I can’t imagine it won’t be significantly better than the 2004 master, particulary since the new master doesn’t seem to have the excessive sharpening of the 2004 versions. Additionally the 10 bit colors will provide much more dynamic range to work with, compared to the black crush ridden blurays.

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FWIW: only the 1997 Special Edition is actually a “special edition”

Everything else is just a new alteration. It’s honestly way more accurate and understandable to delineate by year of release (04, 06, 11, and now 19) than it is to just say “SE”

Also, considering what they’ve upped to Disney+, I think it’s a good bet these versions will be issued on 4K UHD next year, and that’s probably when people are going to get to really dig into how it looks, because I would imagine even for households with fine enough internet to pull down a real 4K file, the compression on Disney’s side is going to be considerable enough to make trying to do accurate side-by-side comparisons pretty difficult.

edit: LOL, Dre JUST said the same thing one post up. I should just stop.