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nl0428 said:

When the Original Trilogy makes its way to 4K, it will, without a doubt, be the 2011 Special Edition. However, do you think it’s possible that Disney and Lucasfilm will at least correct both the colors and sound mixes to match the theatrical presentations and sound far less compressed?

It’s going to be from an entirely newer scan of the negative, so they’ll have to redo the color-correction anyway.

As for the sound mix, your guess is as good as mine.

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Fang Zei said:

nl0428 said:

When the Original Trilogy makes its way to 4K, it will, without a doubt, be the 2011 Special Edition. However, do you think it’s possible that Disney and Lucasfilm will at least correct both the colors and sound mixes to match the theatrical presentations and sound far less compressed?

It’s going to be from an entirely newer scan of the negative, so they’ll have to redo the color-correction anyway.

As for the sound mix, your guess is as good as mine.

True, but I do believe they did a good clean up on the original negatives back when the first Special Edition in 1997 was done.

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nl0428 said:

Fang Zei said:

nl0428 said:

When the Original Trilogy makes its way to 4K, it will, without a doubt, be the 2011 Special Edition. However, do you think it’s possible that Disney and Lucasfilm will at least correct both the colors and sound mixes to match the theatrical presentations and sound far less compressed?

It’s going to be from an entirely newer scan of the negative, so they’ll have to redo the color-correction anyway.

As for the sound mix, your guess is as good as mine.

True, but I do believe they did a good clean up on the original negatives back when the first Special Edition in 1997 was done.

How is that relevant to color correcting the new xfer?

TV’s Frink said:

I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

nl0428 said:

Fang Zei said:

nl0428 said:

When the Original Trilogy makes its way to 4K, it will, without a doubt, be the 2011 Special Edition. However, do you think it’s possible that Disney and Lucasfilm will at least correct both the colors and sound mixes to match the theatrical presentations and sound far less compressed?

It’s going to be from an entirely newer scan of the negative, so they’ll have to redo the color-correction anyway.

As for the sound mix, your guess is as good as mine.

True, but I do believe they did a good clean up on the original negatives back when the first Special Edition in 1997 was done.

How is that relevant to color correcting the new xfer?

Because they could go back to the prints that were cleaned up for the 1997 re-releases as the main source for the 4K remaster, as well as the inclusion of the 2004/2011 changes. The only thing that I seriously hope does not happen is that a teal effect is added to the already incorrect color grading of the trilogy. I’ve noticed for 4K remasters of older films that an apparent teal effect is applied to the picture for unknown reasons. Some good examples include Terminator 2: Judgment Day and the older Batman movies.

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They didn’t clean up prints, they cleaned up the negatives. Negatives don’t have color grading applied. Any restoration that goes back to camera negatives will need to do the color from scratch.

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Original theatrical cuts of the classic 1977-83 trilogy, fully restored in 4K, or NO SALE!

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nl0428 said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

nl0428 said:

Fang Zei said:

nl0428 said:

When the Original Trilogy makes its way to 4K, it will, without a doubt, be the 2011 Special Edition. However, do you think it’s possible that Disney and Lucasfilm will at least correct both the colors and sound mixes to match the theatrical presentations and sound far less compressed?

It’s going to be from an entirely newer scan of the negative, so they’ll have to redo the color-correction anyway.

As for the sound mix, your guess is as good as mine.

True, but I do believe they did a good clean up on the original negatives back when the first Special Edition in 1997 was done.

How is that relevant to color correcting the new xfer?

Because they could go back to the prints that were cleaned up for the 1997 re-releases as the main source for the 4K remaster, as well as the inclusion of the 2004/2011 changes. The only thing that I seriously hope does not happen is that a teal effect is added to the already incorrect color grading of the trilogy. I’ve noticed for 4K remasters of older films that an apparent teal effect is applied to the picture for unknown reasons. Some good examples include Terminator 2: Judgment Day and the older Batman movies.

Well T2 is a James Cameron effort the same as Aliens and inevitably The Abyss. All of them are now a teal nightmare he supervised personally.

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JonathanArthur19 said:

Tealtanic? what? I didn’t say Tealtanic I said Titanic lmao

A reference to the above-discussed proclivity of James Cameron to release his movies on home video with a teal push in the color grading.

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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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I don’t think that Titanic would get a teal tint to it, it was mastered at 4K and Dolby Vision so I don’t think it’ll ever get a teal color grade

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JonathanArthur19 said:

I don’t think that Titanic would get a teal tint to it, it was mastered at 4K and Dolby Vision so I don’t think it’ll ever get a teal color grade

The standard 1080p Blu-ray already has a teal tint compared to the original DVD release. The colors were altered for the 3D release in 2012.

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44rh1n said:

JonathanArthur19 said:

I don’t think that Titanic would get a teal tint to it, it was mastered at 4K and Dolby Vision so I don’t think it’ll ever get a teal color grade

The standard 1080p Blu-ray already has a teal tint compared to the original DVD release. The colors were altered for the 3D release in 2012.

Uh yeah exactly it already happened.

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Mocata said:

44rh1n said:

JonathanArthur19 said:

I don’t think that Titanic would get a teal tint to it, it was mastered at 4K and Dolby Vision so I don’t think it’ll ever get a teal color grade

The standard 1080p Blu-ray already has a teal tint compared to the original DVD release. The colors were altered for the 3D release in 2012.

Uh yeah exactly it already happened.

Except the 3D release only happened for The Phantom Menace.

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nl0428 said:

Mocata said:

44rh1n said:

JonathanArthur19 said:

I don’t think that Titanic would get a teal tint to it, it was mastered at 4K and Dolby Vision so I don’t think it’ll ever get a teal color grade

The standard 1080p Blu-ray already has a teal tint compared to the original DVD release. The colors were altered for the 3D release in 2012.

Uh yeah exactly it already happened.

Except the 3D release only happened for The Phantom Menace.

We’re talking about Titanic. The teal tint appeared in the 3D release, and then in the subsequent Blu-ray release.

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The Phantom Menace didn’t get color-correction supervised by James Cameron.

Although someone approved that DNR.

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I just watched the recent The Wizard of Oz and The Shining 4K Blu-rays this past weekend and may I say they look absolutely stunning and the best I’ve seen of older movies on the format.

Shame Star Wars will probably never get that kind of quality treatment.

(Only thing about The Shining is I wish the aspect ratio wasn’t messed up. I’d like to see both the original 1.85 and the open 1.33. If I remember correctly the new release is 1.78 cropped from the 1.85.)

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If it’s 1.78, it’s likely opened up slightly from the 1.85, not cropped. Any extra information you’re getting would’ve been within the error tolerances of matted projection at the time.

From Blu-Ray.com:

A word about aspect ratios: One slightly controversial element of this 4K restoration (which also extends to the included Blu-ray disc*, as as well as Warner Bros.’ 2007 Blu-ray) is its 1.78:1 framing, which is very common for WB catalog releases theatrically framed at 1.85:1. In comparison to that older Blu-ray, this new remaster also appears slightly zoomed-in by a factor of less than 5%, but nothing of great interest is lost. Take all this with a grain of salt, obviously: many home video releases presented The Shining in unmatted 1.33:1, which often ruined some of its more claustrophobic compositions, while some fans have even argued for 1.66:1, AKA “European widescreen”. (The excellent Stanley Kubrick Archives squashes that argument, showing a handwritten Kubrick note explaining that his films are composed for 1.85:1 but protected for 1.33:1 TV broadcast.) So while it’s disappointing that The Shining doesn’t keep its theatrical aspect ratio, this seems to be a fair compromise; after all, 1.78:1 is the new television standard.

TV’s Frink said:

I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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emanswfan said:

I just watched the recent The Wizard of Oz and The Shining 4K Blu-rays this past weekend and may I say they look absolutely stunning and the best I’ve seen of older movies on the format.

Shame Star Wars will probably never get that kind of quality treatment.

It just boggles the mind. If I made a list of movies I thought people would consider important enough to get the highest quality treatment, Star Wars would be highest on that list. Huge fan base, historically and culturally significant, highly visual, maintained interest.

If anyone has the resources, Disney and Lucasfilm do.

I saw Casablanca, Blade Runner, and The Fifth Element in the theaters recently. They looked great. Is it possible I’ll never see my favorite movies properly again? It’s infuriating.

I have a ticket for the marathon leading up to The Rise of Skywalker. I can only imagine what they will look like.

Any idea of what to expect on Disney+ from the Originals?

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Aargh… Not only is Disney not going to restore the originals (at least not in the foreseeable future), now they are putting Fox movies in the “vault.”
Since they acquired Fox, they are no longer allowing older movies to be shown in theaters. As someone who loves seeing old classics at my local theater every month, this is really frustrating.

https://www.vulture.com/2019/10/disney-is-quietly-placing-classic-fox-movies-into-its-vault.html

“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas

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Logic would dictate that Disney would eventually have to put it out once they’ve run out of ways to milk the OT again and again with multiple releases. We’re already at actual 2160p-on-disc and there’s still no word on whether or not we’ll see the unaltered’s properly restored this time.

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Seems all the movies are 4k HDR on Disney Plus. I’m stuck in the UK so I can’t access it (Disney hates us - March 31st 2020…). Anyone got any screenshots?

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I mean, I haven’t seen what they have, but I’d be shocked to my core if it was anything other than a blown up Blu-ray transfer.