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… yes, they pushed the frame slightly. At the very end, there’s a clip of Halloween 1978… and you can see it’s cropped. Most of the content was adjusted in a similar manner. Super curious about TCM and Star Wars tonight…

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Fang Zei said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Has that actually been done before???

I don’t know if an outlet as big-name as CNN has ever used unaltered footage before, Harmy or otherwise.

The Story of Film: An Odyssey used unaltered footage, which would’ve been GOUT-sourced since it was finished in 2011.

The timing of this is rather interesting, coming so soon after the Academy 70mm screening and, as mentioned above, with ANH airing on TCM tonight. It’s worth noting that CNN and TCM are, if I’m not mistaken, both part of the Turner media empire that currently has the broadcast rights to all the Star Wars movies.

I’m not exactly expecting TCM to just throw on the Harmy version, nor am I getting my hopes up that this will be some surprise debut of an officially restored ‘77 Star Wars (but wouldn’t that be nice). TCM does like to show movies uncut and in their original ratio, though. So it will probably be the blu-ray master “as is” without any edits or commercial breaks.

I couldn’t help but notice that the framing of the CNN and Despecialized shots don’t perfectly match. Assuming they are in fact from the same source, I guess CNN simply pushed in on the framing a little bit?

TCM featured the film as part of their film fest in Hollywood this year. It was the special edition, so don’t get your hopes up.

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It’s the 2004 master, as expected. Non-anamophic 16:9 crop. How lovely.

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Wow, I thought it was the crappy SD feed my crappy cable company has for TCM. This is more embarassing than when they air the 2004 version of THX-1138.

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… on a side note, right after Star Wars they showed Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. The print they used seemed to be unique to TCM. It wasn’t blue like the original blu-ray. And it wasn’t bland/dark like the later Director’s Cut blu-ray. It was quite nicely color balanced (leaning more to a warm earthy amber color) … they must’ve had that archived from way back somewhere. But at least CNN used some original Star Wars clips for their broadcast, which was super cool.

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It might have been a new master for TMP. It’s getting a theatrical re-release this year.

Ignore me, I misread which Star Trek movie.

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Flexicon9 said:

… on a side note, right after Star Wars they showed Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. The print they used seemed to be unique to TCM. It wasn’t blue like the original blu-ray. And it wasn’t bland/dark like the later Director’s Cut blu-ray. It was quite nicely color balanced (leaning more to a warm earthy amber color) … they must’ve had that archived from way back somewhere. But at least CNN used some original Star Wars clips for their broadcast, which was super cool.

Was it HD? I hope somebody recorded it…

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… My DVR now has three rare broadcasts… (TCM HD) Looking For Mr. Goodbar in a pristine high definition broadcast that even host Ben Mankeiwicz said was a TCM premiere (this was 2 years ago) … (MGM HD) On Her Majesty’s Secret Service… not the Lowry transfer, but actually the original print from EON with the proper color timing… rare as it gets, without question. And now, Star Trek II… and I have the SKY broadcast (European) of the director’s cut which is AWESOME. The TCM is better. My DVR is magic… but alas, I have no way to share it with the world. No capture card or a nerd to do it for me. But I will own this magic for the life of a hard drive dvr cable shit box. Thank you and good night.

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I’m sure the special editions will be what they put up on Disney+ but will they be in 4K?

What would happen if they decided to release the unaltered versions but only on Disney+?

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Rodney-2187 said:

What would happen if they decided to release the unaltered versions but only on Disney+?

People young enough to subscribe to that sort of thing would be very confused?

Yub Nub for life

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Flexicon9 said:

… My DVR now has three rare broadcasts… (TCM HD) Looking For Mr. Goodbar in a pristine high definition broadcast that even host Ben Mankeiwicz said was a TCM premiere (this was 2 years ago) … (MGM HD) On Her Majesty’s Secret Service… not the Lowry transfer, but actually the original print from EON with the proper color timing… rare as it gets, without question. And now, Star Trek II… and I have the SKY broadcast (European) of the director’s cut which is AWESOME. The TCM is better. My DVR is magic… but alas, I have no way to share it with the world. No capture card or a nerd to do it for me. But I will own this magic for the life of a hard drive dvr cable shit box. Thank you and good night.

We could help you out on that front. That OHMSS broadcast, in particular, has been sought-after by several of our Bond preservationists.

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OHMSS is my favorite Bond movie. I didn’t even know about this print and now I can’t stop thinking about it.

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… yes, my favorite too. My heart skipped a few beats when I realized MGM HD had the goods and didn’t tell anyone. They just snuck it into a Bond marathon one holiday weekend… the color timing is exactly correct circa 1969. God bless Peter Hunt!

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Have they just been sitting on a bunch of decent non-Lowry 007 remasters? Like the one for TSWLM?

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Well, the 4K version of AVTAK (recently put online) undid the cropping from the Ultimate Editions. However, the master is otherwise the same. A few of the 4K versions are a bit better than the blu-ray, such as LALD and Goldeneye.

The MGM HD version of OHMSS surprisingly wasn’t used for the 4K version of that movie (from what I’ve heard), even though it also undoes the pillarbox titles. Did the MGM HD master have the same over-boosted contrast from the blu-ray?

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Have they just been sitting on a bunch of decent non-Lowry 007 remasters? Like the one for TSWLM?

I’m honestly surprised that one improved as much as it did for blu-ray/4K. It’s like the home video crew took one look at how thoroughly awful that movie looked on home video (e.g., faded colors, severe edge enhancement artifacts on both SE and UE, and poor color timing on the UE), and figured that they should start from scratch for a new master. The added frame information, better color timing, and preservation of the soft-focus look lead me to believe that they either started from scratch with the video master or went back to the negatives/interpositive for a better source. Maybe they found the cinematographer/editor’s notes and redid the presentation to better match the original version.

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… the MGM HD broadcast does NOT have the over-boosted contrast. That was thee worst part of the Lowry blu-ray… next to the awful color-timing. I don’t know what they were thinking. The MGM also didn’t window box the credits. The MGM HD presentation is perfect in every way… it’s brilliant.

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… side note, Star Wars is on TCM again right now (5pm - 7:15pm PT) … not that it matters cuz it’s just the cropped special edition. It just hits me in the feels when Star Wars is hosted by a smoking hot red-head with an Australian accent… or New Zealand (whatever she is) but you know what I mean.

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If it were me, every movie out there would have a multiple version release similar to the Blade Runner Final Cut 5-disc set, a little something for everyone.

“Why build one when you can have two at twice the price.” - S.R. Hadden

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That’s important information, great find.

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It would only make sense for TFA and RO to hit UHD this year, not only so that fans who’ve upgraded their hardware can at least marathon the first two installments of the ST in the highest quality possible ahead of IX’s theatrical release, but also because Disney’s had all the time in the world to do HDR passes and get them ready for UHD without the legal barriers that kept them from releasing I-VI on physical media until just this year.

Of course, that doesn’t mean Lucasfilm hasn’t been working on I-VI on their own, regardless of who the distributor was. In fact, we know they have been. It’s the whole reason this thread was started in the first place.

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I’m very curious to see how they handle AotC and RotS.
Will AotC still have the terrible blu ray colors?
Will both of them benefit from HDR since that usually seems to tone down cartoony colors?

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I’ll appreciate it an awful lot if the boxed set is in fact coming this early. If they were going to hold off until Christmas 2020 I probably would’ve ended up buying 4K TFA and TROS twice. I’ll still probably rent TFA in the run-up to the new movie, but I can wait six months for the discs.

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My only question is whether or not the unaltered cuts will surface. Anything else is neither here nor there for me.

I can answer almost all questions anyone might have about the Sith from Star Wars Legends, and please do PM me for the bd25 DEED(Despecalised Editions), as I have this version, though I can’t answer technical questions about them. Do not go gentle into that good night, Though wise men at their end know dark is right, They
Do not go gentle into that good night.
“Star Wars is a buffet, enjoy the stuff you want, and leave the rest.” - SilverWook
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LordZerome1080 said:

My only question is whether or not the unaltered cuts will surface. Anything else is neither here nor there for me.

The “4-discs per film for the UHD, 3-discs for the blu-ray” rumor is the only shred of hope regarding an official unaltered remaster, which doesn’t even guarantee that the unaltered version would be an actual UHD disc in the UHD edition. It might turn out that the 4-disc UHD is simply the same regular blu-rays from the 3-disc edition plus the most recent version on UHD as the 4th disc.