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JawsTDS said:

All this talk makes me wonder why J.J. funded a remastering of PHANTASM but not STAR WARS '77. Then again, I suppose they were already in the process of the 4k scans by the time he was in talks to direct TFA.

I have a feeling the 4k remaster was commissioned before George even sold the company.* We first saw those clips in RMW’s reel in July of 2014 so who knows how long they’d been working on it by that point.

*yes, despite what we always told ourselves about how George “wants the OT stuck at 1080p so that it doesn’t look better than the PT,” which, considering how home video tech is always improving, would make zero sense, even for him.

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For Disney, the idea of ‘everything matters’ outweighs restoring the OT to it’s original release cut. Disney wants everything to ‘fit’ both stylistically and in effects. I would wager they would be more interested in updating the SE SFX to fit in with Rogue One than from removing the SE changes. In fact, I bet they have a higher priority on making changes to the PT than working on a OUT. The SE is the canon they operate around now.

The only thing that makes the OUT seem likely is the preservation Disney is doing on the original footage. Archiving the OT gives them the opportunity, but I doubt they will spend any extra money or effort on putting the original cut back together.

Maybe they would spend the money to redo the SE’s cgi, but it would be expensive and the '97 shots look “good enough” so I don’t think they’d bother.

They’re not going to redo the cgi every twenty years so it matches the quality of the newest Star Wars movies. If anything there seems to be a conscious effort in TFA and RO to replicate via cgi the look of the model work from the OT.

That is correct, the CGI used in RO was made to look like SW’77. That’s the point I’m making, the SE does not look like that. The CGI ships in the SE look much more cartoonish and not in line with the practical effects or RO CGI.

It think if they are going to go to all of the effort of restoring and archiving all of this material, it is to use it to bring everything in-line with each other or to use in new projects (like Rogue One).

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TV’s Frink said:

Hardcore Legend said:

For Disney, the idea of ‘everything matters’ outweighs restoring the OT to it’s original release cut. Disney wants everything to ‘fit’ both stylistically and in effects. I would wager they would be more interested in updating the SE SFX to fit in with Rogue One than from removing the SE changes. In fact, I bet they have a higher priority on making changes to the PT than working on a OUT. The SE is the canon they operate around now.

What’s your basis for this line of thinking?

Because Disney has updated their own properties in the past and made that the official version.

The heavy focus right now on the story period leading up to ANH, with everything in the universe controlled by the ‘story group’ makes me believe that it is more about blending everything together rather than restoring the film to its original cut.

I could be wrong. I hope I’m wrong in the sense that they release an archival version of the OT to show the film as it was in 1977. But I just feel like blending their universe (which on TV and film is becoming more interconnected every year) is more of a priority.

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Hardcore Legend said:

TV’s Frink said:

Hardcore Legend said:

For Disney, the idea of ‘everything matters’ outweighs restoring the OT to it’s original release cut. Disney wants everything to ‘fit’ both stylistically and in effects. I would wager they would be more interested in updating the SE SFX to fit in with Rogue One than from removing the SE changes. In fact, I bet they have a higher priority on making changes to the PT than working on a OUT. The SE is the canon they operate around now.

What’s your basis for this line of thinking?

Because Disney has updated their own properties in the past and made that the official version.

The heavy focus right now on the story period leading up to ANH, with everything in the universe controlled by the ‘story group’ makes me believe that it is more about blending everything together rather than restoring the film to its original cut.

I could be wrong. I hope I’m wrong in the sense that they release an archival version of the OT to show the film as it was in 1977. But I just feel like blending their universe (which on TV and film is becoming more interconnected every year) is more of a priority.

Like I said in the other subforum, I’m convinced Disney is simply waiting until 2020 when the rights to Empire, Jedi, and the prequels revert entirely to them.

They don’t need to make further changes to the OT just to make all the new stuff fit together with it.

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JawsTDS said:

All this talk makes me wonder why J.J. funded a remastering of PHANTASM but not STAR WARS '77. Then again, I suppose they were already in the process of the 4k scans by the time he was in talks to direct TFA.

Phantasm isn’t owned by a huge company though.

Where were you in '77?

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JawsTDS said:

4k restoration of OT aside, does anyone know the details of the “restoration” of TPM that was used for the Blu-ray? Curious if that was 4k - and if they have the film sans DNR.

I assume it was done for the 3D flop. They DNR it to hell to better fit in with the other Prequels. It lost its film touches.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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JawsTDS said:

4k restoration of OT aside, does anyone know the details of the “restoration” of TPM that was used for the Blu-ray? Curious if that was 4k - and if they have the film sans DNR.

I assume it was done for the 3D flop. They DNR it to hell to better fit in with the other Prequels. It lost its film touches.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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JawsTDS said:

4k restoration of OT aside, does anyone know the details of the “restoration” of TPM that was used for the Blu-ray? Curious if that was 4k - and if they have the film sans DNR.

With TPM it’s difficult to say. They rebuilt the movie directly from ILM’s digital filmout tapes, which were still readable after more than a decade. From there I’m assuming they mastered the movie in 2k (the digital filmout tapes would’ve been that res), finally giving it the Digital Intermediate treatment that AotC and RotS received for their original releases.

From there they would’ve made a nice 2k dcp and also done a stereo conversion for 3D. It was shown both ways in its theatrical re-release in February of 2012. Anyone who saw it at that time in 2d and has a clear memory of it would be able to tell whether the DNR’d shots looked that way in the DI source or if it was applied for the blu-ray.

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SilverWook said:

JawsTDS said:

All this talk makes me wonder why J.J. funded a remastering of PHANTASM but not STAR WARS '77. Then again, I suppose they were already in the process of the 4k scans by the time he was in talks to direct TFA.

Phantasm isn’t owned by a huge company though.

It was a personal project- much like Moroder’s Metropolis 30+ years ago. Star Wars is a huge seller- it shouldn’t need to be a personal project.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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lovelikewinter said:

SilverWook said:

JawsTDS said:

All this talk makes me wonder why J.J. funded a remastering of PHANTASM but not STAR WARS '77. Then again, I suppose they were already in the process of the 4k scans by the time he was in talks to direct TFA.

Phantasm isn’t owned by a huge company though.

It was a personal project- much like Moroder’s Metropolis 30+ years ago. Star Wars is a huge seller- it shouldn’t need to be a personal project.

And both of those have shiny Blu Ray editions. Personal project or no, J.J. wasn’t dealing with a film that might be caught between two powerful entities, Fox and Disney.

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Wait what happened to the film print of The Phantom Menace?

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The worst case scenario is if Disney just half heartedly jumps into uhd with lackluster 4K upres discs of outdated masters like some studios have done.
Imagine the bds merely on a BD-66 with slightly greater file sizes.

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captainsolo said:

The worst case scenario is if Disney just half heartedly jumps into uhd with lackluster 4K upres discs of outdated masters like some studios have done.
Imagine the bds merely on a BD-66 with slightly greater file sizes.

File size has nothing to do with it when a more efficient codec is used. That’s apples and oranges.

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Considering Disney is by all reports waiting for Dolby Vision UHD disc players to hit the market before finally taking the plunge into 4k, I think it’s a relatively safe assumption they won’t stoop quite so low.

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nickyd47 said:

Wait what happened to the film print of The Phantom Menace?

Nothing happened.

Lovelikewinter simply said it lost its film “touches,” meaning the current hd master is so dnr’d in places that it doesn’t look like film anymore.

I still think it looks better than AotC and RotS simply by virtue of having been shot on 35mm film in true cinemascope, just as the OT was. The DNR only affects certain scenes/shots in the movie. Again, I’m very curious if the dnr traces back to the newly constructed DI or if it was applied specifically for the blu-ray.

IIRC, some reviews and screenshots pointed out how soft and processed the AotC blu-ray looks in certain scenes. Let’s also not forget the teal push they decided to give it for some reason. RotS seems to be the only one to make it through unscathed and looking as it should.

When they inevitably go back to the 2k masters yet again for the UHD release, we’ll know whether the issues with TPM and AotC were specific to their blu-ray transfers or actually baked in at the source.

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Has Disney ever actually released a really poor-quality, sub-par blu ray? Don’t give me anything about their classic animated features supposedly having “inaccurate” colors either, I’m talking about something like the first Lethal Weapon blu-ray, or Alfred Hitchcock’s Family Plot, which both had really weak transfers.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Has Disney ever actually released a really poor-quality, sub-par blu ray? Don’t give me anything about their classic animated features supposedly having “inaccurate” colors either, I’m talking about something like the first Lethal Weapon blu-ray, or Alfred Hitchcock’s Family Plot, which both had really weak transfers.

Some of their animated films got hit hard by DNR, especially the Sword in the Stone. Like by god, that one got royally fucked up.

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SwissArmyTin said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Has Disney ever actually released a really poor-quality, sub-par blu ray? Don’t give me anything about their classic animated features supposedly having “inaccurate” colors either, I’m talking about something like the first Lethal Weapon blu-ray, or Alfred Hitchcock’s Family Plot, which both had really weak transfers.

Some of their animated films got hit hard by DNR, especially the Sword in the Stone. Like by god, that one got royally fucked up.

YIKES! 😦

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And it’s horrors like that that have deterred me from buying a single Disney animated film on Blu Ray in years. I have most of them on LD anyway. 😉

I would hope Lucasfilm has enough autonomy to do their own transfers “in house”.

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crissrudd4554 said:

SwissArmyTin said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Has Disney ever actually released a really poor-quality, sub-par blu ray? Don’t give me anything about their classic animated features supposedly having “inaccurate” colors either, I’m talking about something like the first Lethal Weapon blu-ray, or Alfred Hitchcock’s Family Plot, which both had really weak transfers.

Some of their animated films got hit hard by DNR, especially the Sword in the Stone. Like by god, that one got royally fucked up.

YIKES! 😦

Geez! That’s really bad. At that point it looks like an Instagram filter.

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That doesn’t look good. Keep in mind though that the blu-ray image appears to have been zoomed in, so it’s hard to say. Why is the iTunes HD copy different? Did they release a better version in HD? This may be an example of a really bad transfer in the early days of blu-ray that got remedied years later. This happened a lot, two that I can think of that were released in poor quality and then remedied later were Gladiator and Lethal Weapon.

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moviefreakedmind said:

That doesn’t look good. Keep in mind though that the blu-ray image appears to have been zoomed in, so it’s hard to say. Why is the iTunes HD copy different? Did they release a better version in HD? This may be an example of a really bad transfer in the early days of blu-ray that got remedied years later. This happened a lot, two that I can think of that were released in poor quality and then remedied later were Gladiator and Lethal Weapon.

The iTunes is I think a different resolution. Bluray screenshot is not zoomed in. That’s how it really looks: http://images3.static-bluray.com/reviews/8452_13_1080p.jpg

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SwissArmyTin said:

moviefreakedmind said:

That doesn’t look good. Keep in mind though that the blu-ray image appears to have been zoomed in, so it’s hard to say. Why is the iTunes HD copy different? Did they release a better version in HD? This may be an example of a really bad transfer in the early days of blu-ray that got remedied years later. This happened a lot, two that I can think of that were released in poor quality and then remedied later were Gladiator and Lethal Weapon.

The iTunes is I think a different resolution. Bluray screenshot is not zoomed in. That’s how it really looks: http://images3.static-bluray.com/reviews/8452_13_1080p.jpg

So, not only has the film been shagged by DNR but it’s also the wrong aspect ratio.