1977 70mm Soundtrack Recording (Released)

Author: morgands1
Date: 16-Jun-2006, 10:58 AM

Author: morgands1
Time: 16-Jun-2006 10:58 AM (Edited)
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This contemporary recording may be of interest to those who’ve studied the differences in the 70mm stereo sound mix vs. other mixes and video releases of STAR WARS.

http://members.aol.com/morgands1/closeup/text/SWaudio.htm
“The Sounds of a Galaxy Far, Far Away”

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Author: ReverendBeastly
Time: 16-Jun-2006 6:34 PM
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Wow, thank you so much! This is amazing and I'm glad to have this amongst my collection of Star Wars material.

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Author: SpecialEditionSaboteur
Time: 9-Jul-2006 7:17 PM
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Pretty neat to hear what SW sounded like in its original theatrical run. I cant believe that the opening scrawl was originally narrated.

Author: morgands1
Time: 10-Jul-2006 2:23 PM
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No, the opening crawl wasn't narrated. If you'd read my accompanying article, you'd note that I read the text out onto my recording so I'd have a transcript of it.

Author: Darth_Evil
Time: 10-Jul-2006 5:32 PM
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Interesting. Thanks for providing these.

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Author: SpecialEditionSaboteur
Time: 10-Jul-2006 6:41 PM
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Oh ok, that was my second guess.

Author: Mielr
Time: 31-Jul-2006 4:26 AM
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These recordings are very interesting- thanks!

One thing- I thought Aunt Beru's voice was supposed to be different on the 70mm version? It sounded the same to me.

Author: Number20
Time: 31-Jul-2006 9:55 AM
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Originally posted by: Mielr
One thing- I thought Aunt Beru's voice was supposed to be different on the 70mm version? It sounded the same to me.

It was different in the mono mix. The 70 mm version is basically the same as the 35 mm mix.

Author: Mielr
Time: 31-Jul-2006 3:33 PM
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Ah, ok. Thanks.

I wonder why that is- isn't the 70mm version the one that was rushed out to theaters?

Author: Arnie.d
Time: 31-Jul-2006 5:02 PM
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I posted this in another thread too but is more appropriate here I think:
Editdroid v1 has 3 audio tracks; matrixed dolby surround 70mm 6-track mix, dolby stereo surround mix and original mono mix. If you want to compare the audio mixes I think you want this disc.

Edit:
O.K. I looked up the sources they used for the audio tracks. 6-track > DC, stereo > 1989 LD (special widescreen) and mono > vhs recording.

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Author: Number20
Time: 31-Jul-2006 5:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
I posted this in another thread too but is more appropriate here I think:
Editdroid v1 has 3 audio tracks; matrixed dolby surround 70mm 6-track mix, dolby stereo surround mix and original mono mix. If you want to compare the audio mixes I think you want this disc.

I might be wrong, but I think that Editdroid v1 does not have the actual 70 mm 6-track mix, but the authors used the 1985 LD audio remix, believing it to be the original 70 mm 6-track mix. No one has released the actual 70 mm mix until this audio recording was released.

IIRC, the 35 mm/70 mm mix was released first. However, many theatres in 1977 could only play mono sound, and could not play stereo sound. So they remixed the audio in the film in mono. They took more time for this, and also had the benifit of hindsight. Thus the changes in audio.

Author: Arnie.d
Time: 31-Jul-2006 5:27 PM
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When I was editing my post you already replied

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Author: morgands1
Time: 1-Aug-2006 3:53 PM
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You may want this catch this updated post next door, "1977 70mm Soundtrack Strikes Back":

http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=6088

David

Author: SKot
Time: 2-Aug-2006 9:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Number20
I might be wrong, but I think that Editdroid v1 does not have the actual 70 mm 6-track mix, but the authors used the 1985 LD audio remix, believing it to be the original 70 mm 6-track mix. No one has released the actual 70 mm mix until this audio recording was released.

I believe you are correct in your statement. Unfortunately it did not turn out to be the real 70mm mix on the EditDroid discs.

I'd love to see a re-authored EditDroid Star Wars with the actual 70mm mix included, once we have a copy we can work with.

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Author: Darth Mallwalker
Time: 4-Aug-2006 7:04 PM
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As Arnie.d noted above, Editdroid v1 used the 1985 remix believing it to be the original stereo mix.
(T)he(y) used the 1993 remix to represent the 70mm.

I too hope a complete restoration of the 70mm mix can be gleaned from morgands1's, BrianM's, and blitter's tapes.

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Author: StarWarsFan1976
Time: 5-Sep-2006 4:23 PM
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The 70mm Engagements Of The Original "Star Wars"

This page is useful or maybe not here s whats on the page:

What follows is a listing of 70mm Six-Track Dolby Stereo engagements of "Star Wars" (known today as "Star Wars: Episode IV -- A New Hope"). Standard 35mm engagements, in which the film was also released, have not been included. For historical note, the newspaper advertising hype has been quoted for selected entries.

As one can glean from the list, 70-millimeter engagements were kept to a minimum during the initial wave of release. Despite frequent moviegoer memories to the contrary, it was during the subsequent months of release that most theatres (that ran the film in 70mm) received a 70mm.

Also there is another page called:
May 25, 1977: A Day Long Remembered

Hope this is useful to all wondering about 70mm i found it intresting

Author: negative1
Time: 1-Jul-2008 12:26 AM
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morgands1 said:

This contemporary recording may be of interest to those who've studied the differences in the 70mm stereo sound mix vs. other mixes and video releases of STAR WARS.

http://members.aol.com/morgands1/closeup/text/SWaudio.htm
"The Sounds of a Galaxy Far, Far Away"

did anyone manage to get these files?

are they still around?

later

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Author: Bobby Jay
Time: 2-Jul-2008 8:02 AM
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I have uploaded these files to rapidshare. I'll PM you the link.

I'm not sure if posting the link here is allowed so if anyone else is interested, please PM me.

Don't expect an immediate reply though. I'm working nights at the moment so wont have a chance to read them for a day or so.

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Author: negative1
Time: 2-Jul-2008 12:59 PM
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excellent,

these rock!!!!!

now to sync them up with GOUT!

later

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Author: zombie84
Time: 7-Jul-2008 6:44 AM
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Are these still the ones from way-back that were 96 kbps? I was always really dissapointed that the encoding was done so low. Would be great to hear these at 196 or higher.

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Author: Bobby Jay
Time: 7-Jul-2008 2:17 PM
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Yep. These are the mp3 files I've had sat on my hard drive since I downloaded them from the site in the 1st post.

Part 1 is encoded at 64kbps, part 2 at 48kbps and part 3 at 96kbps.

Not the best quality ever but it's a good record of what was heard in theaters back in 1977.

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Author: Moth3r
Time: 8-Jul-2008 8:09 AM
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Bobby Jay said:

I'm not sure if posting the link here is allowed so if anyone else is interested, please PM me.

Since it's an audio recording of something that's never been released, you are allowed to post the links.

zombie84 said:

Are these still the ones from way-back that were 96 kbps? I was always really dissapointed that the encoding was done so low. Would be great to hear these at 196 or higher.

Belbucus' recording of the 70mm mix - with the '93 mix in the other channel - was uploaded as an uncompressed WAV. (See this thread.) There was also a newer file synched to the GOUT video.

However, unlike morgands1's audio, the 70mm mix in Belbucus' file is only a mono recording.

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Author: zombie84
Time: 9-Jul-2008 11:10 AM
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Cool, I didn't know that existed. Amazing that we have not one but two recordings of the 70mm.

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Author: Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda
Time: 9-Jul-2008 11:13 AM
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Moth3r said:

Since it's an audio recording of something that's never been released, you are allowed to post the links.

I'm curious - how does that follow? Just because something wasn't released doesn't mean it isn't copyrighted.

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Author: Moth3r
Time: 10-Jul-2008 3:23 AM
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Sorry, when I said "allowed" I meant from the POV of the forum rules, not copyright law.

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