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16mm film SCOPE Star Wars RETURN of THE JEDI MINT LPP — Page 2

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When I pointed it out to one of the professors that the school wanted these turfed, he found a vault somewhere to preserve them. Stupid me, I should have nicked them.


AAAAGH. DAMN your honesty!

I seriously would have stood over those cans and sweated for a good 20 or 30 minutes wrestling with whether to tell anyone or to just shove em in the back of my car and drive home as fast as I could, to wipe out my fridge so I had storage space. Hell, I probably would have bought another fridge on the way home.
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Originally posted by: The Bizzle
Hell, I probably would have bought another fridge on the way home.


I don't quite know what struck me as super-funny about that, but that's super-funny! Maybe it's the "on the way home" part. What kinda car you drive? (Please say something small...)

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Yeah, I would have strapped it to the top of my Prizm. "You don't understand, I need this fridge NOW. NOW goddammit NOW! Just bungie it down, I'll be fine. You ever seen Citizen Kane? Dont' worry about why I'm asking."
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So I guess this thread has sort of fizzled out, eh? Too bad. It'd be sorta cool to think an Original Trilogy Preservation forum had some enthusiasm for real original trilogy preservation. On film, I mean.
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There's enthusiasm and then there's a couple THOUSAND dollars--and I'm pretty sure there's only a few people who know how to properly care for, store and telecine this film.

I'm not all THAT surprised.
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It's kind of interesting to see how insane the bidding gets on these things though.
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damn I wish I had that kind of money, would make quite a nest egg for my collection.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Wow! Time to write that letter to Santa, and hope he's an OT fan!
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I wish I could spend that amount of money on that auction. Blast!

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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This kind of thing has the potential to blow all the LD rips out of the water. Anyone want to form an X0 style partnership to bid?
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You have to wonder a few things. 1) The print quality. 2) the amount of information a 16mm film holds. 3) at what k/b coding level anyone on this forum can capture the film. Telecine will not simply be better than the LDs. The DVDs were downconverted 4k captures...I doubt anyone can get to that level or even close. However, it would be interesting if it would even be worth investing in if we can't get a high level encode.

The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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I'd be careful on bidding on that if I were you. He has eight feedback point, but they were all from auctions where he was the buyer...
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I live close enough to Tampa to go down in person for the exchange.
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Originally posted by: THX
This kind of thing has the potential to blow all the LD rips out of the water.


"Potential" is a dangerous word. Of course this has "potential" to blow LD rips out of the water. But I can tell you from bitter experience that there is an awful, AWFUL long way between "potential" and "better than LD rips" when you're talking about 16mm film. Film like this has been around a while (at least 1987), yet I'll bet you've never seen a transfer from film. Why not? Because it is extremely hard to manage. No professional places will touch copyrighted film, and there is no viable solution for making your own transfer that doesn't look like you made your own transfer.

It is an amazing, tantalizing proposition, but if you were sane, you'd avoid too many thoughts of improving on the LD caps with 16mm film. The potential is great; the execution is almost impossible.

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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
You have to wonder a few things. 1) The print quality. 2) the amount of information a 16mm film holds. 3) at what k/b coding level anyone on this forum can capture the film.

(1) Some of the 16mm trilogy prints are quite nice. But it's also possible to get a scratched-up old hunk of worthless polyester.
(2) A lot. Way more than the LDs; quite a bit more than the DVDs. You can reasonably expect HD quality from high-quality 16mm prints.
(3) ??? What's "k/b coding level"?

Telecine will not simply be better than the LDs. The DVDs were downconverted 4k captures... I doubt anyone can get to that level or even close.


Obviously, for DVD you don't need anywhere near 4k. There are movies in the theatre that only had a 2k digital inter. DVD is only 0.72k, at 4:2:0 linear. So, while I agree nobody's going to get to a 4k level, I don't necessarily think 4k is particularly relevant here.

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this just proves that DVD technicians suck! they cant even put movies from the late 70's and early 80's on DVD and make them look right
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I'm looking forward to the Blu-ray DVDs which should be able to hold thw 4K versions of all of the Star Wars films.
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they will still look dim and digital. i have wonderful sense memory of jedi, the first star wars i remember seeing at the cinema. i saw all of them, i just remember this specifically.
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But, my question is, will the OT movies look 4K quality on Blu-ray DVDs?
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Is it so hard to do a telecine? I've seen a ROTS version looking as good as the official DVD, when it was out only a week. That must have been a telecine, because as far as I know there haven't been promo DVD's of it.

That's no moon. It's a LaserDisc.

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Adamwankenobi:

HiDef is 1280 x 1024
4k is 4096x2160

So the answer is no.
But then again, no digital video can compare to a true film experience.
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Originally posted by: Grinder
Is it so hard to do a telecine? I've seen a ROTS version looking as good as the official DVD, when it was out only a week. That must have been a telecine, because as far as I know there haven't been promo DVD's of it.


You talking about the one with TC (time code)? That had to be an inside job -- and digital, to boot. Otherwise, yeah, it's hard. Not to actually do the telecine transfer (well, that's not so trivial itself) but actually getting the film on a telecine someplace.

A huge-ass hard-core pirate ring might be able to manage, but I'm sayin' it's virtually impossible for the preservation hobbyist like you or me.