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Looks like this has been the happening thread lately. I've been missing out.

"Seamless branching is more complicated as it involves encoding and multiplexing the files in such a way that they 'ease in and out of each other' for want of a better term."

This makes sense. I've loaded the MPEG of the SW crawl into an editor to parse through it, and you can see the various languages jump in and out as well. Very bizarre.

"however if MGM's Robocop release is anything to go by it appears not just anyone can achieve it."

No. That simply shows that MGM chose not to do it. You keep harping on this one example as proof, and yet it is anything but.

"MGM's Robocop offers 'intergrated branching' no seamless branching, because, well it's not seamless! Guess they were too stingy to go to the correct authoring house!"

Exactly!

"The problem with most of these solutions is that the crawl is far too smooth. Adding an expression to dirty up the movement ever so slightly gives a more natural looking result - but it is really personal preference"

Agreed. I based mine on the crawl from the Empire of Dreams, and while it looks very similar (and good by itself), it just doesn't have the "jumpiness" of the film crawl. If I ever learn how to convert an MPEG straight to AVID, I would post it.

"DL discs can be ordered online for ~$5 per. The prices are always dropping."

Where might this price be found?!?

"P.S. I am actually waiting for either Pioneer or Lite-On DVD-'DL-R' drives before I do DL... DVD+R compatibility blows."

I would like that option as well.

"2.) Anyone know whether DVD-Lab Pro will let you set the point in the film you want the layer break?"

I use DVDLab Pro as well, but I haven't looked in to this yet, since I don't have a DL burner (yet). Here is some info I found on layer breaks. I don't know if you can force a break in DLP, but maybe it will help

http://www.mmbforums.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=6922&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

I would like to share some of my experiences on DVD-9 with you.

DVD-9 simply means a single sided disc containing data anywhere from 4.7GB+ to 8.5GB. It has two layers. The tricky point is the layer break address. There are some checking rules for before selecting layer break address on the DVD volume. DVD volume is the final authored DVD Video_ts. You may create DVD volume in DVD Lab Pro since it supports DVD-9.

The general checking rules for layer break are following:
1. Keep the video bit rate as low as possible in few VOBU's right before layer break.
2. Audio frame(s) must be terminated before layer break address
3. The beginning VOBU on the upper layer must be lined up with ECC block boundary. ECC stands for Error Correction. One ECC block contains 16 sections. In other words, the correction check is across 16 sections.
4. It would be better if the upper layer starts from a new chapter (Cell).
5. If the upper layer starts from a new chapter, then the seamless play flag should be off, but the time code must continue.

Since we have DVD-9 ROM and DVD-9 +R9, there are some differences:
1. On DVD-9 ROM, bottom layer (L0) must be larger than upper layer (L1).
2. On DVD-9 +R9, data length on both layers must be equal
3. On DVD-9 ROM, L0 must start from a new CELL.
4. On DVD-9 +R9, it will NOT make any difference if the video bit rate remains same at the layer break address. Audio frame may not need to be terminated before layer break.
5. On DVD-9 ROM, it does not need to have even data length on both layers. However L0 is longer than or equal to L1.
6. On DVD-9 ROM, L0 can hold up to 4.7 GB data. L1 only can hold up to 3.8 GB data.
7. On DVD-9 +R9, both layers can hold up to 4.27 GB data. The total cannot exceed 8,547,991,552 bytes.

DVD Lab Pro burning routine supports DVD-9 +R9. I think it will automatically search for the best layer break address before burning.

Your crash may not be related to wrong layer break address. Since DVD+9R is very new, some players may not recognize the phyical property of +9R.

Here I also want to point out about the term of "Book Type". It is the offical term stated in DVD Book 1. Actually it is a parameter in the Control Data block. The Book type represents all cerified disc types by DVD Forum. Neither DVD+R, DVD+RW or DVD+R dual layer has been certified by DVD Forum. Therefore Book Type DOES NOT apply to +R camp. However Book Type is not the only way to find out the disc type. Again, DISC TYPE is not a DVD term. Actaully it is a disc format used in the Standard SFF (Mount Fuji). I believe a device looks for the disc format when a disc is first loaded to the device. The device will detect if the provided disc format being supported or not. For example HP 300 will not support DVD-R disc format.

The question is whether we can change the Book Type or not.

The answer is:
1. When device firmware allows, user can call SendDVDStruct packet command to change the physical page in the disc lead-in area.
2. When it is a DVD-R authoring format, user always can call SendDVDStruct packet command to alter the physical page in the lead-in area.

Can we change the Book Type on a DVD+RW so it can play like DVD-ROM?

The answer is 'not sure'. It is because the device looks for the other phyical parameters to determine the disc format. The "Control Data" block may not be reached before the device rejects the disc.

Now if the device recognizes the disc format, there is no need to change the book type.

For example, my old pioneer player was built in 2000. It plays DVD+R9 perfectly. I am sure the plalyer does not read the Book Type. In fact there is no 'Book Type' imbedded in the +R9 disc.

Your crash could be caused by some other reasons.

Moonman


I also have a procedure for creating Seamless Branching with Scenarist. I don't use the program myself, but if anyone is interested, I'll post it (it's a Word Doc with screen shots, so it'll take some formatting.) The experts can read up on it and check its efficacy.

"There is virtually no difference between 'Faces' and the DC, and the DC is more trouble to deal with. I'd work from 'Faces', too -- and I have both."

While the master for both may have been the same, the treatment is not. The Def Col has numerous known glitches, while the Faces set does not. The Faces set has also had less noise reduction applied to it and, to my eye, it has better contrast as well.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I also have a procedure for creating Seamless Branching with Scenarist. I don't use the program myself, but if anyone is interested, I'll post it (it's a Word Doc with screen shots, so it'll take some formatting.) The experts can read up on it and check its efficacy.


Is this the guide on Doom9 that was mentioned earlier in this thread, or is it something entirely different? If different, I'd like to have a gander. Thanks.
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I'm a little concerned about what I've been reading concerning the Pioneer 109 which is the -R DL capable drive I was considering purchasing. You can read the Pioneer 109 comments here..

It seems for now that the NEC3520A has much better ratings. Both it and the Pioneer 109 uses the NEC chipset, so I don't know what the big difference is. You can read the 3520A comments here.

I'll have to check New Egg to see how the two writers are rated there.

I've been asking this in several places, but haven't received an answer. Where in the official DVD's do the layer breaks occur for ESB and ROTJ. I know where it occurs for ANH. I don't plan on buying or renting them to find out as I won't be using them for my project, but I would like to know where they set their layer breaks.

Thanks.

Patrick
"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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"If what you have is not the same thing,"

Nope, it's the same thing. I copied it a long time ago, and put it away for future reference. Since I didn't have a DL burner or Scenarist, I never got around to reading it. Sorry if I got your hopes up, guys.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Patrick R.
I'm a little concerned about what I've been reading concerning the Pioneer 109 which is the -R DL capable drive I was considering purchasing. You can read the Pioneer 109 comments here..

It seems for now that the NEC3520A has much better ratings. Both it and the Pioneer 109 uses the NEC chipset, so I don't know what the big difference is. You can read the 3520A comments here.

I'll have to check New Egg to see how the two writers are rated there.

I've been asking this in several places, but haven't received an answer. Where in the official DVD's do the layer breaks occur for ESB and ROTJ. I know where it occurs for ANH. I don't plan on buying or renting them to find out as I won't be using them for my project, but I would like to know where they set their layer breaks.

Thanks.

Patrick

Go with the NEC. I have the older model 2510A after my Plextor 708A crapped out on me and I haven't had one bad coaster yet. It handles every media I've thrown at it so far and IMHO is a GREAT burner. Buy form NewEgg, can't go wrong with the price too.
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"DL discs can be ordered online for ~$5 per. The prices are always dropping."

Where might this price be found?!?


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As for the layer break: Most DVD burning progs search automatically for the most suitable place to set tha layer break.
In adition, DVD decrypter let's you manualy specify the layer break point.
Sorry if the question has been answered before and I am just repeating stuff, I just was too tired to search the tread for previus answers.
And now, for your feature presentation:
The Classic Re-re-re-release of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back.
In this version the word "WOOKIE" has been changed to "HAIR CHALLENGED ANIMAL" and the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks.
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"Go with the NEC. I have the older model 2510A after my Plextor 708A crapped out on me and I haven't had one bad coaster yet. It handles every media I've thrown at it so far and IMHO is a GREAT burner. Buy form NewEgg, can't go wrong with the price too."

The reviews and price look GREAT! I may have to do that next month.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I have bought the NEC 3520 one month ago, and I was pretty amazed by it!
I'll tell you though it's disadvatages first, and then go through the advantages:
the disadvanteges are two and only two:
1) It takes a long time to recognize an inserted disc.
2) It is really slow for DVD ripping (even with riplock disabled).

On the other hand, 1)it has very good burning quality (never wrote a disc that wasn't readable -or even hard to read- by any other drives/decks I've tested)
2) It burns really damn fast with practically no quality loss
3) it is the most firmware supported DVDRW device

Personally, I tried Liggy's IU5 and IU6 firmware, but ended up using Mad Dog's modified firmware (much cooler, with riplock disable option, RPC1 and manual bitsetting)
Overall, i think it is the best you can buy, and definatelly worth it's money.
And now, for your feature presentation:
The Classic Re-re-re-release of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back.
In this version the word "WOOKIE" has been changed to "HAIR CHALLENGED ANIMAL" and the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks.
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Metallaxis,

Thanks for the information. Is this an easy drive to make region free? I hate how they lock after switching regions a few times. I have a few R2 DVD's that I would still like to be able to play.
I'm definitely looking into this drive and plan to get one when I get my taxes back. I like Pioneer, but I have heard more good things about the NEC.

Patrick
"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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Yes, it is. To make it more easy for you, if you download and flash the firmware I have a link to in my previus post (which BTW comes as an auto flashing .exe, not a .bin), you will have a region free drive, no questions asked (that's what RPC1 means).
But the region lock you are experiencing could be a software problem. Maybe I am explaining the obvious, but I don't know how experienced you are and I'm trying to be as helpfull as I can.
So I'll quote Mad Dog, in case you don't know the following piece of information:
"An RPC1 firmware defeats the internal counters within the drive and removes region enforcement. This only is HALF of the equation. You need to use DVD Genie or similar software to control your player software. http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?t=239"
And now, for your feature presentation:
The Classic Re-re-re-release of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back.
In this version the word "WOOKIE" has been changed to "HAIR CHALLENGED ANIMAL" and the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks.
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I have a NEC ND-1100A single-layer that came with my computer. It has never burned a proper disc that didn't work, and if it did it was a fault in the way I authored it, not the disc or burner or anything. I'm thinking about upgrading to the NEC ND-3520A - what do you guys think?
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Thanks for the information Metallaxis. I actually haven't locked my drive yet. I still have a few changes left. I just wanted to make sure to find something before I used them all. I'm actually a newbie when it comes to RPC1 and RPC2. I've heard the terms, but I never looked too far into the research, so I am glad for all of the information you've provided.

Chainsaw Ash,

I would definitely upgrade if you want to do dual layer. It also burns discs faster. I don't know if that is an issue for you or not. I know everyone likes faster burners, but I have been happy enough with 4x since burning a DVD takes so much less time than converting an AVI file to MPEG-2. I'll gladly upgrade and use 8x and 12x discs if they are priced right and reliable though.

Thanks.

Patrick

"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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I don't give a shit about speed, and here's why: six months ago I was ecstatic when the new version of DVDXCopy clocked in at one hour flat burning a copy, and ever since I've been using other stuff besides that, 20 minutes to burn a disc is like getting in a car to drive home after you've taken a wagon through the Oregon trail. It might not be the fastest way back to Missouri, but it beats the shit outta that damn wagon.

I'm tired. I need sleep...I've been watching the first season of 24 for a few days (borrowed it, I just started watching the show this season), and I'm obsessed, so rather than sleep I'll probably be watching 4:00 PM - 5:00 PM.
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Sometimes I sacrifice compatibility for speed, as my player is very forgiving. This means I can use mencoder's variety of m2v/ac3 which it can encode as fast as it can encode a "DivX" AVI.

Moll.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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"1) It takes a long time to recognize an inserted disc."

Do you mean a blank disc?

"2) It is really slow for DVD ripping (even with riplock disabled)."

I have a DVD-ROM for that. Don't want to put extra work on the more expensive burner.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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1) I will be more specific: I mean for any kind of disc, blank or written, +R -R or DVD-rom, DL or not.
The fact is that it's disc loading time is as any other drive's. But for some reason, it has a 5 second delay of starting to spin up the disc upon insert.
As a consequence, while in my pioneer 106 slot-in DVD-rom the disc is fully loaded after ~10 seconds after insert, using NEC 3520 will take ~15 seconds. That's all. Not a big deal, actually. Every firmware I tried didn't seem to fix that though.

2) Your choise to use another drive as a ripper is wise, but I thought I should let all the factors be known to you anyway...

To further strengthen my case, before posting my comments, I asked one friend of mine who has the same drive, and his review was no different from mine.
Overall, he and I are very satisfied with our purchase, and would definatelly recomend it.
And now, for your feature presentation:
The Classic Re-re-re-release of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back.
In this version the word "WOOKIE" has been changed to "HAIR CHALLENGED ANIMAL" and the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks.
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I have the pioneer 108 and im totally happy with it...the only coasters ive burnt were with the first set of media i had that came with the drive and that was because they were crappy discs, if i put any more than 4 gigs on them i seemed to have trouble

i also just bought some 8x discs (because they had an instant rebate...didnt even realize they were 8x at the time, and they are good quality discs) and my recent burns have been at 12x...havent upgraded the firmware at all from what it came with.

-Darth Simon
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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*touchy people disclaimer*
some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
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DarthSimon; I had the same problem with my Pioneer 108. I had some 4x Princos and they always got corrupt past the 4GB mark.

In order to remedy the situation, I updated my firmware and bought some 8x Riteks. Perfect as can be.

EDIT: I've now successfully burned a Ritek 8x DVD-R at 12x. Data verification assures me that the disc is fine. With the pioneer108/ritek combo you can't go wrong!

To contact me outside the forum, for trades and such my email address is my OT.com username @gmail.com

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Ok so now Powercolor has a new capture card out... based on the ATI theater 550 chip...
I have had 2 previous AIW's and wasn't terribly impressed by them.
But this new standalone solution looks pretty cool.
Has HW mpeg2 encoding and a HW comb filter...

Thought Zion and others doing capturing would be interested in this.

review @ http://www.ocmodshop.com/default.aspx?a=251

PowerColor Theater 550 Pro Specifications
The ability to watch the best TV quality on your PC
Real-Time Hardware MPEG2 Encoding
Powerful 12 bit video engine
Hardware 3D Comb Filter
Hardware Noise Reduction
External S-Video/Composite input support
TimeShifting and scheduler recording
Listen to Stereo FM Radio
16MB DDR Memory
Low-profile design

PowerColor Theater 550 Pro Details
Unparalleled integration
Video decoder
Worldwide stereo audio support
IF demodulation
DVD quality MPEG-2 encoder
PCI & PCI Express x1bus interfaces

Features never seen before on the PC :

12-bit Video decoder with hardware 3D Comb Filter
Hardware Noise Reduction
Digital 12-bit IF demod
First PCI Express TV chip

Additional features :

FM Radio
Closed captioning and Teletext support
Integrated anti-aliasing filters
Sharper video capture is achieved through an industry leading 2D 5-line comb filter.
Professional quality 3D comb filter which is used to separate the luminance and chrominance components of video. The 3D filter works best on still areas of video because it is able to scan ahead a frame and determine whether the image has changed or not. It then uses this information to properly separate the luminance and chrominance parts of a composite or TV tuner signal to eliminate color bleeding or other artifacting.
The THEATER™550 PRO’s digital audio architecture delivers 100% synchronized audio and video. Audio and video streams are processed in together in the chip and sent out packaged as a MPEG stream to the system for storage or playback. Say goodbye to bad lip synch!
High horsepower chip ensures that frames are never dropped and smooth and fluid video is recorded, providing an ideal PVR experience.
Bright bursts in white or color levels occur due to fluctuating signal strength and cause video to suddenly brighten and then darken. The THEATER™550 PRO prevents this problem from occurring by using a 12-bit analog to digital converter which converts and smoothes out the analog signal, along with Automatic Gain Control (AGC) circuitry.
Most analog video sources, whether from cable TV or antenna are very noisy with snow and other distortions. The THEATER™550 PRO has been designed to tackle this real-world video and has a dedicated engine to intelligently remove noise, yet still achieved sharp edges and fine textures.
The THEATER™550 PRO combines all the features of a TV tuning PVR card into a single chip complete with high-end THEATER™quality
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Things that sound cool:

12-bit Video decoder with hardware 3D Comb Filter
Hardware Noise Reduction
Sharper video capture is achieved through an industry leading 2D 5-line comb filter.

Things that don't:

Audio and video streams are processed in together in the chip and sent out packaged as a MPEG stream to the system for storage or playback.
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I actually don't like the hardware noise reduction part if it can't be turned off - they tend to oversmooth things.

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"Audio and video streams are processed in together in the chip and sent out packaged as a MPEG stream to the system for storage or playback."

Ugh...that's a no-no for serious video projects. You don't want on-the-fly MPEG processing for your master!

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>