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Just curious, what's the status of your set? How far off till completion?
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Moll.
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
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Moll.
Just curious, what's the status of your set? How far off till completion?
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For ANH, most likely I'll be doing two angles for the crawl, where one is the "A New Hope" crawl and the other is the original. Sabers will be redone also. What I'd really like to do is one of those seamless branching things where you can choose to view the film with or without my video enhancements. We'll see how that goes.
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I think you should go with the DVD+R DL discs, to maximize the quality of the source and to incorparate goodies..... like the motion menu that you are working on.... very nice job!
The ones that find the DVD+R DL discs to be to big or a problem can always shrink them with appropriate software. So the will fit on a DVD+R/DVD-R.
Keep up the good work!
Edit: Went thru the last pages of this thread and saw that you are going for the DVD+R DL approach so my question is not relevant any more.....
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Seamless branching isn't possible on any kit (unless you know somthing I don't...) but if you just want to highlight the changes you've made, and aren't making the scenes any longer, you should be able to use the angle feature as you intend for the opening crawl.
I haven't tried this myself mind you, but I'm pretty sure if you set the video to angle 2, it will keep this through the whole movie, even the parts without a second angle (It's as if the 1st angle fills in the blanks in the 2nd angle if that makes sense!)
With regards to burning DL discs, I heard setting the book type to DVD-ROM can help, as can burning via DVD-Decrypter: something about burning from an ISO file means the layer breaks gets put where you author it, while just using Nero means it fills the entire first layer, before going onto the 2nd layer. Also the cell the layer break is put on has to be flagged as non-seamless, which Neror may or may not do.
Oh, and I too love the menus !!
DVD-Boy
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Originally posted by: zion
Depends on what shape the video is in. If it needs sharpening or denoising, I'll do that. Other than that I'll be doing color correction and spot removal.
For ANH, most likely I'll be doing two angles for the crawl, where one is the "A New Hope" crawl and the other is the original. Sabers will be redone also. What I'd really like to do is one of those seamless branching things where you can choose to view the film with or without my video enhancements. We'll see how that goes.
Depends on what shape the video is in. If it needs sharpening or denoising, I'll do that. Other than that I'll be doing color correction and spot removal.
For ANH, most likely I'll be doing two angles for the crawl, where one is the "A New Hope" crawl and the other is the original. Sabers will be redone also. What I'd really like to do is one of those seamless branching things where you can choose to view the film with or without my video enhancements. We'll see how that goes.
While I really like to hear the pre-ANH version, I have two concerns/questions:
1. The sabers. I say leave them be, or at least put them in as alternate angles or something that can be chosen as well because my take, especially on a pre-ANH version, is to preserve the original video and audio as much as possible, which leads me to my next point.
2. Soundtrack. Since there is a VHS tecline that I hear has a quite good copy of the original mono track and MeBeJedi is working to synch this with the video, will you be using this? I'd strongly suggest that as at least an option, as I'd love to hear all the old changes and this would be in line with preserving the original as much as possible.
But this is your set so of course I'm leaving this entirely up to you - it's not like I have any say in it anyway, haha, but I don't want you to think I'm pulling a DanielB and bitching at you for not doing it my way.
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Oh yeah Zion awesome project and i really like the site.
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Anyway, if and when I decide to do a purist version (which may be sooner than you think
), I'm going all the way and doing everything possibe to make it look and sound like the '77 version. Sorry to confuse you. My ultimate edition ANH DVD would have both the purist version with original crawl, mono track, and no video touch-ups save for your basic noise filters and spot removal, as well as the touched up version with fixed effects and 5.1 audio. My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]
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This is pretty off-topic, but:
Originally posted by: DVD-BOY
Zion,
Seamless branching isn't possible on any kit (unless you know somthing I don't...)
Zion,
Seamless branching isn't possible on any kit (unless you know somthing I don't...)
http://www.tfdvdedit.com
Pretty cool, if you've got a thousand bucks and a G4...
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Originally posted by: mistertones
http://www.tfdvdedit.com
Pretty cool, if you've got a thousand bucks and a G4...
http://www.tfdvdedit.com
Pretty cool, if you've got a thousand bucks and a G4...
I've got TFDVDEdit version 2. It's kind of like IFOEdit.
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As I understand it, seamless branching is possible due to the video being encoded and multiplexed together in a very specific way, which is why the only system that can do it is a proprietary Toshiba Encoding / Authoring system - somebody please correct me if I'm wrong. Sonic have never annouced that Scenarist can do true seamless branching, otherwise they would have been shouting it from the rooftops. I believe they can do seamless multi-angle, but as already stated that is based upon the streams being the same length.
TFDVDEdit. Before I say anymore, Dr Gonzo, I love your DVD set, and so far it is the only set I have downloaded.
Now everyone I've spoken to about TFDVDEdit, have said that Trai Forrester is full of Bantha Poodoo, and is trying to build an elite 'club' with his software. From his website he promises that his software does alot, but then it's a case of "If you have a problem once you've bought it, TOUGH - NO REFUNDS". Don't get me wrong, I've read up on his seamless branching article, and have been excited by it, but various people I've then spoken to, who have both met the guy and been in the DVD Industry for a long time, have not said the nicest of things about him. Again, I'd be happy for someone to prove me wrong.
Speaking of which, has anyone tried a 'seamless branching test', say for example a 10 minute segment around jabba in ANH?
Zion, seamless branching on not, between Laserman's video capture and your menus, this sounds like one niiice dvd set.
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Jeff here.
I sent you an email through your site. Please get back to me.
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“Hear you nothing that I say?”
-Yoda
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Originally posted by: zion
Ash, you just made me realize that I never commented on your post. Sorry about that.
Anyway, if and when I decide to do a purist version (which may be sooner than you think), I'm going all the way and doing everything possibe to make it look and sound like the '77 version. Sorry to confuse you. My ultimate edition ANH DVD would have both the purist version with original crawl, mono track, and no video touch-ups save for your basic noise filters and spot removal, as well as the touched up version with fixed effects and 5.1 audio.
Ash, you just made me realize that I never commented on your post. Sorry about that.
Anyway, if and when I decide to do a purist version (which may be sooner than you think
), I'm going all the way and doing everything possibe to make it look and sound like the '77 version. Sorry to confuse you. My ultimate edition ANH DVD would have both the purist version with original crawl, mono track, and no video touch-ups save for your basic noise filters and spot removal, as well as the touched up version with fixed effects and 5.1 audio. All right! That's exactly what I'd want - I'd like a purist version and an updated "capturing the experience" version. That's a great idea.
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Anyhow Zion, your menus are looking great. If you are going to generate the pre-ANH crawl, have you begun working on it? I don't actually mind the idea of THAT so much anymore, but my position on modifying the rest of the elements of the movie has not changed. So, as for your "video enhancements" you probably wouldn't need to use branching at all. Because the "enhanced" version will be exactly the same length as the normal version all you'd need to do is put them into an alternate angle (you would need a total of 4 angles for all your options).
I mean you've probably already thought about that, but to me it makes more sense to use angles than branching, I mean it should be much easier to do. The best thing to do would be to have an initial menu that comes up which makes you choose the version of the film, like on the Alien Quad discs. As opposed to that other "Pre-ANH" disc that has the option available in a menu, but when you start you don't really know which version's going to play since you haven't chosen anything.
Oooh... this could be useful Zion:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/f20050126/index.html
For the prequel trilogy, the opening roll-up has become a personal tradition for Visual Effects Supervisor John Knoll, who has executed the crawls for Episodes I, II and now III on his home computer.
"I type the text in Illustrator," describes Knoll. "I then get a layout approval from George [Lucas], regarding where the line breaks are -- he really cares about the typography." At this stage, the text is a rectangular block -- just flat art. Knoll then imports the Illustrator eps file into a program called form·Z, which turns it into a piece of geometry that can be used in a 3-D program.
"Then I import that into Electric Image and render it. I'm not rendering it with lighting or anything; it's only going through the 3-D program to get the correct perspective." As documented in this article, Knoll researched the original trilogy roll-ups extensively before tackling the opening text for The Phantom Menace. "George was very concerned that we match the one from Episode IV very closely, that the focal length be the same and where the lines converge be the same," he says. Asking sources at Skywalker Ranch for information about the fonts used, he was dismayed to find out accurate records were not kept.
"It turned out that there were all kinds of different versions of the first crawl: the original, the Episode IV release, and all the foreign language versions." Faced with contradictory information, Knoll took a film still of the crawl and reverse-engineered it. He scanned the perspective-titled text into Electric Image, and projected it out as a flattened block of text seen from above. He then took that image to the Art Department, whose typography experts were able to identify the different fonts used within the crawl: news gothic bold for the main body of the crawl and Episode number, and univers light ultra condensed for the title of the film.
Here's the font... too bad it isn't free, I'll see what I can do about downloading it though. "I type the text in Illustrator," describes Knoll. "I then get a layout approval from George [Lucas], regarding where the line breaks are -- he really cares about the typography." At this stage, the text is a rectangular block -- just flat art. Knoll then imports the Illustrator eps file into a program called form·Z, which turns it into a piece of geometry that can be used in a 3-D program.
"Then I import that into Electric Image and render it. I'm not rendering it with lighting or anything; it's only going through the 3-D program to get the correct perspective." As documented in this article, Knoll researched the original trilogy roll-ups extensively before tackling the opening text for The Phantom Menace. "George was very concerned that we match the one from Episode IV very closely, that the focal length be the same and where the lines converge be the same," he says. Asking sources at Skywalker Ranch for information about the fonts used, he was dismayed to find out accurate records were not kept.
"It turned out that there were all kinds of different versions of the first crawl: the original, the Episode IV release, and all the foreign language versions." Faced with contradictory information, Knoll took a film still of the crawl and reverse-engineered it. He scanned the perspective-titled text into Electric Image, and projected it out as a flattened block of text seen from above. He then took that image to the Art Department, whose typography experts were able to identify the different fonts used within the crawl: news gothic bold for the main body of the crawl and Episode number, and univers light ultra condensed for the title of the film.
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Moll.
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
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Daniel, keep in mind that when using angles, you have to split the bandwidth between them. Half the bandwidth may be unnoticable for things like credits and the opening crawl, but when it comes to the rest of the film I'd rather not do it. That is the reason why I'm persuing the branching method instead. I'm going to try out the doom9 technique and see if I can make it work. If not, I may have to resort to angles, but I really don't want to do that unless I absolutely have to.
(Off topic again, but this is really wierd. Whenever I edit a post in a sticky thread it sends it to the top of the list. These Mod abilities have made me powerful...)
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Originally posted by: DanielB
Zottig, just so you know the +R format is not a standard DVD format (the reason Mol's player doesn't work with them).
Zottig, just so you know the +R format is not a standard DVD format (the reason Mol's player doesn't work with them).
"DVD+R, a recordable DVD format that along with its rival DVD-R, is 100% DVD compliant as specified by the DVD Consortium (a group comprised of the ten companies who originated the DVD format). "
While you are correct that the +R format isn't officially sanctioned, it is 100% compatable to the DVD standard.
There are several references to that fact online. The problem is that there is a flag that the player uses to identify the disc. The flags are "DVD-ROM", "DVD+R", and "DVD-R" as well as ones for the RW flavors. IF the player is old, or the manufacturer is being pissy/cheap the player may not allow (or understand) anything other than the DVD-ROM flag or may allow some but not all of them.
Again, as DVD-Rs are pressed with that designation at the factory, you're stuck if it doesn't work, however, with the plus (+) format you can tell the burner to "lie" and write "DVD-ROM" to the disc describer bit. That's why it's called bitsetting. At that point, it should work as the reflectivity of +R discs is 100% in line with the DVD consortium's standards.
Ben