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Question for the XØ team:

Did you all ever figure out how that timecoded version of the raw capture got out there? You might have posted about that and I missed it, but I was reminded of it tonight and am curious.

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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
Question for the XØ team:

Did you all ever figure out how that timecoded version of the raw capture got out there? You might have posted about that and I missed it, but I was reminded of it tonight and am curious.


I would like to know too. I always just assumed it was a forgery.
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I'm sure it's real. In fact, didn't Zion already say so? What hasn't been answered is 'how', but I'll assume X0 Project members have computer-literate friends, family, and even contacts on this board and others, etc. Personally, I could totally see something I was working on making its way into the wild through a momentary lapse in judgement or in what I laughingly call "security".
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Well, that might give him the edge.

No comment on the luma/chroma thing?
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If it hasn't been asked before, how will you guys correct for all the overkill video noise reduction the DC has? It was the main reason I thought I had a bad pressing back in '93.

Where were you in '77?

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Ok, it all makes sense now.

Where were you in '77?

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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
Did you all ever figure out how that timecoded version of the raw capture got out there? You might have posted about that and I missed it, but I was reminded of it tonight and am curious.
I know who it was. It was <edited by Mod>.



Okay, I think 1. it was a member here. 2. Someone, maybe Zion or MeBeJedi... or possibly Laserman, or perhaps the anonymous 4th member of the team uploaded the file to Rapidshare... or to Apt Irrelevance or something, and the ot.com member, who eventually uploaded it, went and downloaded it from where ever it was uploaded... and then cracked the password because MeBeJedi suggested the password should be "LucasSucks" (hey see, even I figured out the password!)

Now it can't have been Apt Irrelevance, because then Zion would have looked at the leachers IP and sifted through the IPs on this site... that is unless he used a proxy service while downloading it to cover his tracks.

Now knowing all this, I therefore think the best way to solve the case is to look at members here who fit the description of:
    X0 fan-boy

    Technical knowledge

    Wanted the timecode

    Is a moderator, and as such could have read the passwords out of PM's


I'm sorry Moth3r, but it simply must be you... or Jay. Think about it... okay don't, but hey it was fun trying to work it out anyway!

I think I'll make a poll of this over at the off-topic forum:

http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=6717
Some were not blessed with brains.
<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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Oh Boris man, posts like this and your days are surely numbered.

“I love Darth Editous and I’m not ashamed to admit it.” ~ADigitalMan

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You're just like all those reporters covering the T.O. incident. Trying to make up a story where there is no story.

And just so you know, if we ever figured out who stole the TC print from us and uploaded it, we certainly wouldn't go telling everyone who it was. I tried to make light of the situation above, but I don't think we need to turn this thing into some sort of conspiracy theory. Just let it go.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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Originally posted by: Zion
You're just like all those reporters covering the T.O. incident. Trying to make up a story where there is no story.
Yes I know (what is T.O. btw?) except I'm not serious about it. But hey, don't say I didn't try to direct this topic out of this thread! Lighten up.
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<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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Boris, what the hell is wrong with you? Are you trying to piss the MODS off? Quit being a troll and come back to the light...

You know what's sad and ironic about you Boris? With all your BS, convoluted "factual" knowledge, and moral high ground, you will still
get your hands on a copy of the X0T when it's done...you know it and I know it, but you'll never admit it. It is a shame that trolls like you will get to benifit from
the X0 team's hard work....

I love everybody. Lets all smoke some reefer and chill. Hug and kisses for everybody.

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Originally posted by: vbangle
Boris, what the hell is wrong with you? Are you trying to piss the MODS off? Quit being a troll and come back to the light... What's wrong with you? Is joking suddenly forbidden here?
Originally posted by: vbangle
You know what's sad and ironic about you Boris? That my name is actually George Walton Lucas?Originally posted by: vbangle
With all your BS, convoluted "factual" knowledge, and moral high ground, you will still get your hands on a copy of the X0T when it's done...
According to the people who called me George Lucas a while ago, I own a technicolour dye-transfer and don't need laser-disc rips.Originally posted by: vbangle
you know it and I know it, but you'll never admit it. It is a shame that trolls like you will get to benifit from the X0 team's hard work....
I'm sorry but you must be delusional. IF I did decide to download the X0 rips, I would have no problem admitting it.

On the other hand, I am very happy with the DVD's I purchased. What interesting about people like you vbangle, is that you can't seem to understand that people like me regard the X0 project as a great idea, but with little actual interest in it. The lifesaver's flags at the beach are a great idea, but I don't use them. And no, I don't get tempted to go and swim between them.

It's so sad that some "X0" fans will complain and complain and complain about the level of picture detail on the OUT (the don't complain about the colours, saturation or brightness, mind you)... and then when it comes to the X0 ... which they know is going to have less detail then the 2006 OUT, they start saying how the X0 is going the better because of the "overall" look, or because the soundtrack will be uncompressed. It's sad to see people reduced to this kind of reasoning. Mind you, the X0 doesn't include the original 1977 crawl... but I'm sure you "OOT fans" can live without that, right ?

Sure, you know, maybe ... just maybe I will download the X0 one day, I can't say I won't for certain, so I'll concede that it's *possible*. But hey, at least I'm a happy owner of the 2006 OUT.
Some were not blessed with brains.
<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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Originally posted by: boris

Sure, you know, maybe ... just maybe I will download the X0 one day, I can't say I won't for certain, so I'll concede that it's *possible*. But hey, at least I'm a happy owner of the 2006 OUT.


If you're happy with what you've got, then why cause shit here, unless it's just for the sake of causing shit?

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Wow over 400 posts of pure bullshit, you must be real proud.

“I love Darth Editous and I’m not ashamed to admit it.” ~ADigitalMan

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You know all this smack talk would end, we could actually see a clip of this project rather than just a few screenshots.

Dr. M

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On the other hand, I am very happy with the DVD's I purchased. What interesting about people like you vbangle, is that you can't seem to understand that people like me regard the X0 project as a great idea, but with little actual interest in it. The lifesaver's flags at the beach are a great idea, but I don't use them. And no, I don't get tempted to go and swim between them.


As someone who spent 5 years risking my own life pulling people out of the water that decided to swim outside the flags and got swept out in a rip, all I can say is people that do that drive us crazy.

I'm glad you enjoy the official GOUT release, a lot of people will be happy with it. The NTSC version does look OK on a reasonable sized TV if you don't mind the problems with it.
A lot of people don't mind PAL speedup, others can't see NTSC judder, some don't notice the DVNR and the trails and smearing it causes.
If you are in that group then more power too you, enjoy it.
If however you are one of the unlucky ones that can't *not* see the DVNR smearing, the four eyed stormtrooper, or the over the top grain then I enjoy the fact that there are fans out there who are trying to do something better, and some that even share the 'how to' aspect of it. Zion is right it is kind of a curse once you notice these things, it is hard to un-notice them and enjoy the presentation.

I'm glad you like the idea of the X0 project, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest if you have no real interest in it - but I'd also add that if anyone has no real interest in a preservation or fan edit, then they probably wouldn't be all that interested in reading or posting a whole lot in the threads about them.
The threads are designed so that people with an interest in a particular topic can get info and discuss that topic.
I've got no problem with people asking questions in threads, even seemingly 'ignorant' questions (who was it said that we are all ignorant, just about different topics), but I figure if someone doesn't have a real interest in a thread or isn't really adding anything that hasn't been covered already, that they wouldn't frequent that thread much.

I try to answer questions on the basis that the person really wants to know the answer, or as much of an answer as I can give, even if I sometimes suspect they might be stirring the pot, I try to answer as honestly and thoroughly as I can.

I don't visit many of the threads here as my interest is pretty narrow, and for a lot of the threads I wouldn't have anything meaningful to add. I probably only read 4 or 5 regularly at the most. These threads get pretty long so trying to stay at least vaguely on topic, and not arguing just for the sake of it keeps everything a lot more enjoyable.

I'm sure the X0 guys will have something to show soon so you can all get a look at a scene or two and hopefully offer up constructive comment.

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Originally posted by: THX
Well, that might give him the edge.

No comment on the luma/chroma thing?


We looked at doing a lot more than just that.
The SC is very detailed but has quite a bit of video noise. Most of the noise however is in the chroma channel.
Using Shake you can track the two different video captures and warp the chroma from one to match the luma from the other.
This allows you to take a relatively clean chroma from the source with good chroma and layer it into the relatively clean and more detailed luma from the other capture.
But you don't have to stop there, once you have a way to align multiple captures you can start to do other things, like take advantage of the different exposure levels and the different aspects (different noise, dropouts, dirt and scratches etc.) of separate transfers and combine them in a way to try and get a final product that is more than the sum of its parts so to speak.

There are also some other interesting discoveries we made re the particular noise signature of some of the laserdiscs.
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To anyone who isn't interested in this project, stay out and post bullshit elsewhere.
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Originally posted by: Laserman
As someone who spent 5 years risking my own life pulling people out of the water that decided to swim outside the flags and got swept out in a rip, all I can say is people that do that drive us crazy.
I've been caught in many rips, Laserman, not once did I need any help out of them.

People, as I'm sure you would know, only need help when they don't know what they're getting themselves into. Kind of like people who get sunburnt (you should know that). Like I said, lifesavers do a great job, but I don't need to use (ie freeload off) their services.

What I find disturbing is the fact that so many people here intend to freeload off the X0 project as an alternative to LD's/DVD's. And the fact I can't even post in fun anymore without being told I'm a troll.

And yes, I do notice the trails and smearing, especially in ESB - but it still doesn't bother me. I once watched a movie in a cinema, got almost a minute of the picture cut out (the sound still worked)... and had no refund.

I also think sometimes, you guys are misleading people about the X0 project's quality. I mean, wasn't it you who said the OUT '77 crawl was recreated using CG? AND mverta? I know you guys didn't start the controversy, but still...

And what about the issues of sound and video? It's already apparent there's more visible grain on the OUT - this can only mean it's a better presentation then the LD's. I know you're saying that you're cleaning up the video frame-by-frame, however Lucasfilm did this in 1993, and *most* of what you're cleaning up is LD defects, rather than film defects.

Yes I'm a critic of this project, I don't think it's a bad project or anything - but I just think that a lot of forum members here are:

1. seeing it as an alternative to the OUT rather than a preservation...

and/or

2. seeing it as being much better then the OUT.

Zion says it's like a hobby for him, so fair enough. But if you, Laserman, are investing thousands of hours and blood sweat and tears to produce something that may at the very very best - be marginally better then the OUT - then I think you really have lost grip on reality. To spend so much time, and so much effort, for so little to me seems futile.

I'm posting here as a critic. The project does have some fantastic points about it, don't get me wrong... I just don't think it would be worth it to me to spend as much time as you 4 have preparing a preservation which is only going to be slightly better then the retail release, at best.

I have a lot of respect for you Laserman, and for Zion, and for mverta. You are all fantastic people, so please don't act as if I'm here throwing insults.. it is not my intention.
Some were not blessed with brains.
<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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Originally posted by: boris
Originally posted by: Laserman
As someone who spent 5 years risking my own life pulling people out of the water that decided to swim outside the flags and got swept out in a rip, all I can say is people that do that drive us crazy. I've been caught in many rips, Laserman, not once did I need any help out of them.

People, as I'm sure you would know, only need help when they don't know what they're getting themselves into. Kind of like people who get sunburnt (you should know that). Like I said, lifesavers do a great job, but I don't need to use (ie freeload off) their services.

Oh I see now, Your not just throwing bullshit. Your throwing cocky bullshit.

What I find disturbing is the fact that so many people here intend to freeload off the X0 project as an alternative to LD's/DVD's. And the fact I can't even post in fun anymore without being told I'm a troll.

You are a troll.

And yes, I do notice the trails and smearing, especially in ESB - but it still doesn't bother me. I once watched a movie in a cinema, got almost a minute of the picture cut out (the sound still worked)... and had no refund.


What does your theatre experience have anything to do with the GOUT release?

I also think sometimes, you guys are misleading people about the X0 project's quality. I mean, wasn't it you who said the OUT '77 crawl was recreated using CG? AND mverta? I know you guys didn't start the controversy, but still...


For someone who has only seen pictures and short documentary clips you seem to know a lot about the final quality of the film. Please tell me where you get you appearent bullshit.

And what about the issues of sound and video? It's already apparent there's more visible grain on the OUT - this can only mean it's a better presentation then the LD's. I know you're saying that you're cleaning up the video frame-by-frame, however Lucasfilm did this in 1993, and *most* of what you're cleaning up is LD defects, rather than film defects.


Your going to have to explain that first part because it didn't make any sense. About your second sentence, the 1993 restoration was 13 years ago technology has advanced a lot since then so I don't see how anyone can still consider that quality acceptable by todays average video standard.

Yes I'm a critic of this project, I don't think it's a bad project or anything - but I just think that a lot of forum members here are:

1. seeing it as an alternative to the OUT rather than a preservation...

and/or

2. seeing it as being much better then the OUT.

Zion says it's like a hobby for him, so fair enough. But if you, Laserman, are investing thousands of hours and blood sweat and tears to produce something that may at the very very best - be marginally better then the OUT - then I think you really have lost grip on reality. To spend so much time, and so much effort, for so little to me seems futile.

I'm posting here as a critic. The project does have some fantastic points about it, don't get me wrong... I just don't think it would be worth it to me to spend as much time as you 4 have preparing a preservation which is only going to be slightly better then the retail release, at best.

I have a lot of respect for you Laserman, and for Zion, and for mverta. You are all fantastic people, so please don't act as if I'm here throwing insults.. it is not my intention.


If you have so much respect, why do you fill this board with stupid shit? Also if throwing insults is not your intention you could have fulled me.