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If the timer has already started on the color bar screen, how is this useful for anyone outside of the X0 Project team? I can understand wanting it for posterity, but I think unless you time your project accordingly (to take into account for the color bar time offset), it is not of much practical use. Maybe I'm not understanding something, though.
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Has images or video of ANH with LFL timecode ever make an appearance? (I doubt there was one for the original release but maybe as part of the SE/DVD cleaning up process, a timecoded version was made. http://www.dvdaust.com/film_sound.htm talks about a DTS timecode in the original print versions.)
http://www.dvdaust.com/images/StarWars.gif <-- DTS Timecode is just to the left of the frame, right of the soundtrack. That faded grey bar.

and if "Yes" does the x0project timecode sync up?
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I note that the colour bar screen says "01:00:00:00 at Picture Start", which I believe must mean the "Picture Start" frame of the original film. If I'm correct (and it's got to be possible, otherwise the timer would not be running already during the time when I know the laserdisc logo is onscreen), then this is one hell of a piece of Star Wars scholarship.

For my own stuff, I plan to immediately slap on a temporary blank "leader" in AviSynth, just so I can use the X0 Project timing. I can chop it off later, when I'm ready to author. If this is the only version with timecode, then I'm going to take advantage. It's easy enough to determine the frame or time offsets to any other version, and adjust accordingly. In fact, I'm sort of surprised and disappointed that we haven't already seen offsets between X0 and some of the other well-regarded projects (Moth3r, Citizen, etc.) published somewhere. I'll bet they turn up sometime.

I'm also wondering if we'll see "re-releases" of some versions with X0-synched timecode applied. I'd totally download timecoded 1-CD "workprint"-like versions, just so I could have an easy way to line them all up and be able to pick and choose between all the available audio tracks, knowing I can port them without a lot of goofing around.

I don't think we've begun to even fully imagine how the X0 timecode could aid in the preservation and fan-edit processes!

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DTS timecode on film is used by the DTS sound system to keep the audio CDs in sync with the projector. There isn't any way you can actually read DTS timecode without the proper professional equipment, and it isn't SMPTE timecode anyway. It's binary I think.

For anyone who has downloaded it, you'll notice that the very first frame of our TC Print is 01:00:07:19. It doesn't start at 01:00:00:00 like you'd expect. When we say "01:00:00:00 @ 'PICTURE START'" on the color bar screen, what we mean is that would be the very first frame of the actual film reel (the picture start frame). We actually counted on our copy of the film how many frames there were from the beginning of the reel to the first frame of the Star Wars logo. So when you see it pop up at 01:00:40:12, it is actually synced up to the film itself.


Edit: Good call Karyudo! At least someone got it.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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Boris, were you born this obnoxious or are you just taking fuckwit pills? You've been here five minutes and are already taking potshots at four of the most respected members of this community. Let me ask you this: what exactly have you contributed since you've been here?

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I did it!

That's a lie.

I can't wait for the legit release though.

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Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
I did it!

That's a lie.

I can't wait for the legit release though.


I mean no offense, but why do you have a huge obnoxious "robodad" cartoon in your sig? How does that have anything to do with this forum? Remember that there are kids on this forum too, and a fuck me cartoon seems highly inappropriate....just my 2 cents.....

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I just went back and read the last few posts, and sweet Jebus, I was right about the "Picture Start" stuff! That's pretty wicked: timecode that matches the actual film.

I think for my purposes, the first frame of the SW logo might be the one to key off. Label that correctly, and then see where everything else ends up.
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Originally posted by: vbangle
Why make more work for Zion, when all you have to do is go sign up to recieve it for free? That kind of defeats the purpose of actually SIGNING UP for the newsletter? Don't you think?

Also I was not poking fun at the X0 team when I posted the famous frame that MeBeJedi works on....you however seem to be....not only that but you have the balls to start accusing members of the X0 team for the leak of the time code vid? Not too smart pal.

Explain your weird post if you would please....
I think you take my post too seriously.

Moth3r was right when he said that the timecode would be useful for people preserving the trilogy - I'm not doing a project like this; so personally I don't understand why other people in my position (ie with no ability to do a preservation) are downloading it. I think if you think about it that shows far less respect for the members here then I show.

As I said, I was trying to be light-hearted, not disrespectful.
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<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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Originally posted by: boris
Originally posted by: vbangle
Why make more work for Zion, when all you have to do is go sign up to recieve it for free? That kind of defeats the purpose of actually SIGNING UP for the newsletter? Don't you think?

Also I was not poking fun at the X0 team when I posted the famous frame that MeBeJedi works on....you however seem to be....not only that but you have the balls to start accusing members of the X0 team for the leak of the time code vid? Not too smart pal.

Explain your weird post if you would please....

Moth3r was right when he said that the timecode would be useful for people preserving the trilogy - I'm not doing a project like this; so personally I don't understand why other people in my position (ie with no ability to do a preservation) are downloading it.


That's because you are not a fan of the X0 project.....don't worry we can tell.....

As far as you quoting the rest of my post, you didn't address your lame request for Zion to upload the newsletter for you when the newsletter is free and all you need to do is sign up for it.....why make MORE work for Zion? You didn't address your poking fun at the X0 team by half jokingly accusing one of them of being the leak that let the time code vid out.....that just wasn't smart......

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Okay, okay. There were misinterpretations all around. Surely we can make a thread in Off-Topic to address this further, if needed.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

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I'm really interested in what the XO team does specifically with the overall look of Return of the Jedi. I had an awful pan and scan tape as a kid, and the 93 laser always looked kind of bright and drab to me. The 2004 dvd just looks..weird. What IS that movie supposed to look like anyway?
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None of the films are "supposed" to look like they do on the DVDs or on any of the THX and post-THX releases. The color was altered in all of those versions, but interestingly not the same in all shots. I think people are going to be suprised at the color in our releases. It will be more true to the originals than anything out at the moment.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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I am eagerly, and patiently, waiting to see it!!!
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Originally posted by: vbangle
That's because you are not a fan of the X0 project.....don't worry we can tell.....

As far as you quoting the rest of my post, you didn't address your lame request for Zion to upload the newsletter for you when the newsletter is free and all you need to do is sign up for it.....why make MORE work for Zion? You didn't address your poking fun at the X0 team by half jokingly accusing one of them of being the leak that let the time code vid out.....that just wasn't smart......
Dude, the spirit of the Z0 project is to share the enjoyment of star wars amung its fans, not to create a fan-base for the X0-project. Of course I like preservation - but u think the x0 project should have fans of it's own??!?
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<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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Originally posted by: boris
Originally posted by: vbangle
That's because you are not a fan of the X0 project.....don't worry we can tell.....

As far as you quoting the rest of my post, you didn't address your lame request for Zion to upload the newsletter for you when the newsletter is free and all you need to do is sign up for it.....why make MORE work for Zion? You didn't address your poking fun at the X0 team by half jokingly accusing one of them of being the leak that let the time code vid out.....that just wasn't smart......
Dude, the spirit of the Z0 project is to share the enjoyment of star wars amung its fans, not to create a fan-base for the X0-project. Of course I like preservation - but u think the x0 project should have fans of it's own??!?


What is wrong with you man? Do I think the X0 project should have fans of its own? Well let's see.....the X0 project has it's own website, it's own merchandise....yeah I think the X0 project has fans of it's own... and as well it should ...the guys behind it, Laserman, Zion, MeBeJedi, etc..by their dedication and hard work have EARNED the right to have fans of their work.....DUH Wake up and smell the coffee brewing.....

People like you really piss me off....you act all innocent and claim that you like preservation projects like the X0 project but I seem remember reading posts of yours poking fun at all the silly laser disks transfers and going goo goo gaa gaa over the official Lucas release coming in Sept.....Are you here just to piss people off and cause arguments? If you are, please stop it.

I know this reply is way off topic and for that I apologise to Zion and the rest of the forum, but I just can't let people bad mouth the X0 project.....the X0 project is just to important to the history of Star Wars to let it slip by with a no comment......however from here on out I am offically ignoring Boris's comments in this thread....I have said my peace.

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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
It's been mentioned a few times that you guys have some film elements from Star Wars. I was just wondering if you could elaborate on that. It wouldn't get you in trouble, right?


I think Mielr asked about that as well a while back. We have a copy of the original film, as well as a collection of film cells for reference. We also have a few other things that I will not get into at this time.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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We also have a few other things that I will not get into at this time.


Shhh. It's those illegal ninja moves.

Dr. M

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Originally posted by: boris
Originally posted by: Doctor M
Large plug, heavy mallet. Yikes.
Maybe your computers were hacked?
which ponders the question: WHO DUNN IT???!?

Was it...... MeBeJedi... or was it Zion... or was it that strange Rikter guy who seems to upload everything? Or maybe it was Lasermon... who else is conceivably involved in this project? Who is the "mysterious" 3rd member? Is it a registered user here??

Oh Zion, may I ask - just out of curiosity for the benefit of those who don't subscribe to your news letter - do you, or could you post a link to your newsletters in this thread when they're released? Well back to roaming for me.



I thought this post was just a joke, so ignored it.

As for why other people who are not doing their own project would download it: I downloaded it so I can have a point of reference when I discuss the film here.
Instead of asking "What are you chaps going to do about the scene where Leia shoots and there is a blob on the frame" I can say "What are you going to do about the frame at timecode 1:12:15:10 where there is a blobbie in the corner"
As for lining up your own code with the X0 code, it just means you insert the right amount of frames at the start of your own project doesn't it?

Whatever, I'm glad to have it however it got out. At least now when I post a question or a suggestion everyone will know which bit of the film I'm raving on about.

Is there a TC version of the other two films?

Give me the OT or give me death!
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You've got the right idea Gorram. Now that the TC Print is out, I would hope that when people talk about certain frames, they'd refer to them in timecode. It's a lot more efficient, and a hell of a lot easier than saying, "the 26th frame of the shot where Luke and Leia swing across the death star trench."

We haven't created TC Prints of the other two films, as we haven't started working on them yet.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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Originally posted by: Gorram As for lining up your own code with the X0 code, it just means you insert the right amount of frames at the start of your own project doesn't it?


Is that really going to be feasible when most preservations will be running at either 25 or 29.97 FPS while the X0 runs at 24?

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I work in both PAL and NTSC. When I use PAL, I use AssumeFPS(24) in AviSynth. When I use NTSC, I IVTC, then use AssumeFPS(24). Now all of my (picture) sources line up!

You can do the same thing with X0 footage: AssumeFPS(23.976) or AssumeFPS(25) will make it line up with your existing IVTC'ed NTSC source, or your PAL source.

The point (for me, anyway) is to get all the frames labelled with a unique, 24 fps timecode number. Once that's the same as the X0 Project, then laying in new audio at either 23.976 or 25 fps shouldn't be tough.
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Originally posted by: Gorram
As for lining up your own code with the X0 code, it just means you insert the right amount of frames at the start of your own project doesn't it?


Pretty much. But be careful: PAL versions are missing frames at most film reel changes (where you see those yellowy glue-like lines in the DC and Faces) and there is potential for frame losses at LD side changes.

I anticipate having to do quite a number of spot checks throughout the film to make sure everything lines up -- even if by some fluke I check the beginning and end and they match. It's always possible to be out in the middle, and have self-cancelling errors (too many frames on one part; too few on the next) make the overall count the same.